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In that case men should cover up to help women control their urge to sin otherwise you have double standards. The loving act is to do so.
On a side note: Did you even have time to read the two Ezekiel chapters? It's just you responded quickly and it might be helpful to read those.
You are asserting that being topless is not nudity by saying I am conflating the two.Why would I debate opinion? Data is the purpose of this thread.
Everyone has an opinion, and "a mind changed against its will of is the same opinion still." Data can create lasting change of opinion.
I would say it's also harmful to the men who are tempted to lust.It says in Romans 13 that any commandment is summed up by this brief saying Love does not harm their neighbour. So I will look at how a woman going topless in the west will harm her.
It will be harmful because men in general are conditioned by society to objectify and sexualize her re: Matthew 5:28.
See also the following article about a situation where it was actually allowed and women wouldn't do it.
Ontario women can legally go topless. So why aren’t they? | TVO.org
You are asserting that being topless is not nudity by saying I am conflating the two.
If I have no sleeves are my arms bare? Yes. If I have no clothes on my top half is it naked, yes. You are telling me that I am mistaken. My opinion is that I am not. So you are.
You say that what I see as objective fact is invalid. It is in your subjective opinion that I am wrong. Otherwise we would not have to explain nakedness as 'completely naked', 'stark naked' etc.
So you believe that men who are topless at a beach are half-naked?You are asserting that being topless is not nudity by saying I am conflating the two.
If I have no sleeves are my arms bare? Yes. If I have no clothes on my top half is it naked, yes. You are telling me that I am mistaken. My opinion is that I am not. So you are.
You say that what I see as objective fact is invalid. It is in your subjective opinion that I am wrong. Otherwise we would not have to explain nakedness as 'completely naked', 'stark naked' etc.
So if you have a nice house, are you responsible if another is envious?I would say it's also harmful to the men who are tempted to lust.
Yes I am a sociology student. I know what objective means.Your opinion of objective fact which is back by ... opinion.
Opinion isn't objective.
Dictionary: "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."
Lust is not envy.So if you have a nice house, are you responsible if another is envious?
So you believe that men who are topless at a beach are half-naked?
Yes I am a sociology student. I know what objective means.
You are saying I am conflating topless and nakedness. See the definition of naked below.
Lust is not envy.
Perfectly aware of that—didn’t say it was—but both are sins. Tell me, if you have money are you responsible if someone else feels greed? If you serve good food are you responsible if another experiences gluttony?Lust is not envy.
Yes. Do I think it as shameful as if I did it. No, because I am socialised into seeing it as normal. Same as society is trying to program us into thinking it is ok to do other sinful things. For example, to hoard wealth, be proud, drunkeness, to not care about the destitute etcSo you believe that men who are topless at a beach are half-naked?
I am wasting my time by replying to your assertions. First was that I am conflating toplessness with nudity. I said it is a matter of opinion. The you said you weren't here to discuss opinion but quantifiable data. So I proved that you are also being subjective in your comprehension of the two terms. You see how you attach meaning to the terms is subjective. That is all.Right. Unclothed, undressed, and so on. What are you showing me?
How is society trying to promote drunkenness? Drunk driving penalties have been increased. Not caring about the destitute? At least in the US volunteerism is up.Yes. Do I think it as shameful as if I did it. No, because I am socialised into seeing it as normal. Same as society is trying to program us into thinking it is ok to do other sinful things. For example, to hoard wealth, be proud, drunkeness, to not care about the destitute etc
But what happened when Jacob discriminated by loving Rachel and not loving Leah?????
I am wasting my time by replying to your assertions. First was that I am conflating toplessness with nudity. I said it is a matter of opinion. The you said you weren't here to discuss opinion but quantifiable data. So I proved that you are also being subjective in your comprehension of the two terms. You see how you attach meaning to the terms is subjective. That is all.
Social media, films, magazines all promote drinking and clubbing as normal behaviour. Drunk driving penalties are increased because there is a problem with people drink driving. It is pointless going into that.How is society trying to promote drunkenness? Drunk driving penalties have been increased. Not caring about the destitute? At least in the US volunteerism is up.
So you don’t see it as shameful for men to go topless, just women.
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