Prove it or remove it challenge

[HitchSlap]

Thanks for correcting. lol

According to Comfort, bananas were created to fit perfectly in the hand.

 

[Hoghead1]

That isn't quite accurate, Hoshiyya. Key figures in the Christian mystical tradition strongly implied there was an evolutionary process going on. For example, both Eckhart and later Boehme saw creation as God's own self-evolution from unconsciousness into consciousness and personality.

 

[USincognito]

Actually that was not what i said. I instead said that both male and female would have needed to evolve at the same time,

Actually, that's pretty much what you said, which is why I used the language that I did:

Every time I see a variant...​

Your comment implies that individuals speciate in single generations and that is not what happens. Slight changes occur in individuals and eventually fix in a population. If the mutation is significant enough that it prevents the individual from mating with any other member of its' species at that time, the mutation dies with the individual. This is evolution 101 stuff.

...and that bananas may have been our ancestors.

Which is insipid and why you got the meme as a response.

 

[USincognito]

They cant even explain the human appendix, or DNA complexities, things they can actually observe. Why would you believe these things that cannot be observed?

Who is "they" and what is there to explain about the human appendix? What about DNA complexity? Dropping brain turds on the sidewalk is not the same as having a point.

And as I noted at least once, you are confusing specific examples, propositions or areas of study with a theory as a whole.

 

[florida2]

Thanks for correcting. lol

No worries. Genuine questions and a desire to learn are very welcome.

 

[Extraneous]

Actually, that's pretty much what you said, which is why I used the language that I did:

Every time I see a variant...​

Your comment implies that individuals speciate in single generations and that is not what happens. Slight changes occur in individuals and eventually fix in a population. If the mutation is significant enough that it prevents the individual from mating with any other member of its' species at that time, the mutation dies with the individual. This is evolution 101 stuff.

Surely you dont believe that's what i think of ToE. Any uneducated neanderthal bubble dweller knows that (supposedly) it takes thousands of years for these things to occur. Give me some credit.

Also, you misrepresented my post altogether, i suppose its just to argue. Im not even going to waste my time trying to debate if further, because your intentions of evident, therefore it would be illogical to do so.

 

[USincognito]

It's a very relevant question since there is no discernible survival distinction afforded by chins. No other animal has one.

What the heck does "survival distinction" mean? Do you mean survival advantage? Do you not realize that not every trait has a direct effect on survival? Some are the result of sexual selection. It's possible that human chins are the result of sexual selection in addition to being shaped by the fact that we speak.

I couldn't care less what you seem to remember. If you would like, let's have a formal debate on the subject. Since you don't offer anything of substance here, you must be saving it for that. We'll see who the fool is then.

I love when newbies show up full of pee and vinegar. @Subduction Zone has demonstrated his command of the issue here many times.

 

[Hoghead1]

That isn't fully accurate, Hoshiyya. The Christian mystical tradition carried very strong implications of evolution. In facxt, two major figures, Meister Eckhart and Jacob Boehme, argued that creation was God's own self-evolution form unconsciousness into consciousness and personality.

 

[florida2]

According to Comfort, bananas were created to fit perfectly in the hand.

It's also amazing how that puddle was designed to fit precisely in that hole

 

[Extraneous]

According to Comfort, bananas were created to fit perfectly in the hand.

I wouldn't know about sir. I dont listen to preachers.

 

[Nithavela]

Would you say that a blueprint for building a house contains information? The information in DNA is the same type. Construction instructions. Dude, the definition I listed (2. what is conveyed or represented by a particular arrangement or sequence of things.
"genetically transmitted information") comes from Google, (as in, not exactly an ID bastion.)

This is a red herring argument that 99% of evolutionary biologists would agree with ME on. It doesn't matter if you or anyone else here is "impressed". You're disagreeing with Dawkins. Makes me question your motive for disagreeing with me.

I didn't know that google published information.

Put that on a science paper. Source: www.Google.com

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Where did you get the idea that barbarism was limited to prehistoric times?

I didn't say that. I said that a lot of people today act like barbarians from prehistoric times.

I would submit you should have engaged in a bit more thinking yourself before posting what you did.

That comment was rude and unnecessary.

Yes. It makes no such claim and frankly doesn't even deal with that subject.

Okay. I'm going to bow out of this discussion. The topic of evolution has zero relevance to my life anyway.

 

[USincognito]

Surely you dont believe that's what i think of ToE. Any uneducated neanderthal bubble dweller knows that (supposedly) it takes thousands of years for these things to occur. Give me some credit.

Also, you misrepresented my post altogether, i suppose its just to argue.

After 20 years of this and 13 on this forum, I've seen a lot of jaw dropping stuff.

Let me then try and get back to your question. As I noted above, mutations that occur in an individual and confer some sort of reproductive advantage (or are neutral) tend to propagate throughout the whole population. As long as the mutation doesn't cause an inability for the individual in question. With the chromosome 2 fusion, not coding DNA was damaged allowing that mutation to spread throughout the population. With other, let's just say, less impactful mutations like MCM6 or ARHGAP11B, it does not change the genotype or phenotype significantly enough to prevent fecundity with the rest of the population.

 

[Nithavela]

Paterfamilia, you do realise that blustering and fancy writing doesn't conceal lack of substance, hmm? Just because you act superior doesn't mean that you are.

BAM!

 

[USincognito]

I didn't say that. I said that a lot of people today act like barbarians from prehistoric times.

O.k.

That comment was rude and unnecessary.

Opinion noted.

Okay. I'm going to bow out of this discussion. The topic of evolution has zero relevance to my life anyway.

Bye.

 

[Extraneous]

what is there to explain about the human appendix? What about DNA complexity?

Exactly my point, which now needs scooped up from the side walk. You have more questions than answers.

 

[florida2]

The point is that there are a significant number of people in today's world who act as if they are barbarians from prehistoric times. I presented it as something to think about. Are the two of you saying that the theory of evolution does not claim that modern man is superior to prehistoric man?

There were also incredibly cultured and intelligent people in ancient times, and all the times in between so I don't think it's much of a comparison.

Evolution doesn't deal with human psychology. You'd have to ask an anthropologist or social historian about changes in behaviour and beliefs over the millennia. Evolution also isn't about constant improvement.

 

[Extraneous]

After 20 years of this and 13 on this forum, I've seen a lot of jaw dropping stuff.

Let me then try and get back to your question. As I noted above, mutations that occur in an individual and confer some sort of reproductive advantage (or are neutral) tend to propagate throughout the whole population. As long as the mutation doesn't cause an inability for the individual in question. With the chromosome 2 fusion, not coding DNA was damaged allowing that mutation to spread throughout the population. With other, let's just say, less impactful mutations like MCM6 or ARHGAP11B, it does not change the genotype or phenotype significantly enough to prevent fecundity with the rest of the population.

Proves absolutely nothing.

 

[USincognito]

Exactly my point, which now needs scooped up from the side walk. You have more questions than answers.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to give you some credit and not assume that you're playing semantic games, but when I posted those questions to you, that was the point where you:
- tell us what there is to explain about the human appendix
and
- expand on your comment about DNA complexity.

Any chance you're going to do so, or is this transparent Creationist tactic 539 - ask questions, but never provide a straight answer?

 

[Extraneous]

The topic of evolution has zero relevance to my life anyway.

Wise choice, and i agree, its irrelevant to mine as well.