PROVE EVOLUTION

1.) The origin of earth has nothing to do with evolution.
2.) The ToE stipulates that primates and humans evolved from a common ancestor.
3.) Primates are still evolving.

Mirror said:

I DARE YOU TRY AND PROVE THAT BY SOME CHANCE ACCIDENT THE EARTH WAS CREATED. PROVE THAT WE CAME FROM MONKEYS. ILL BE DARNED IF I CAME FROM A MONKEY. WHY ARENT MONKEY STILL MUTATING?

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We didn't evolve from monkeys, rather monkeys and humans share a common ancestor.

Mirror, that is an excellent question, except it should be looked at slightly differently.

The question is why arn't the monkeys of today changing, but instead where is the other up-right walkers that are our close cousins.

Why is our closest so-called cousin a chimp? Where are the other more human like animals?

Currently they are many different kinds of primates...all are knuckle walkers or jump from branch to branch while there is only 1 (one) that really walks up-right...humans.

Why is that?

According to the evo theories adaptive radiation among species occurs as they evolve. This adaptive radiation produces cousins....so to speak... that are very similar to each other. The evos point to the cats as example of adaptive radiation with the different variaties. Varaties such as tigers, leopards, cheeta, jaguar etc...all of which are said to be closely related. All of which are still extant.

According to the evos, like the cats, the variety of so-called not to distantly removed animal species--- cousins--- have happened with just about every genera...except man.
Check out the bears, horshes, birds and other animals that have very close cousins.

Now considering man has been so successful...you know, with his newly found hands to make tools, bigger brain, speech and so on, you would think that his family tree would have a few close branches representing his -cousins- adaptively radiating from it. BUT IT DOESN'T. Apparently this success meant extinction for mans cousins...despite ALL the evolutionary models that say there should be other successful up-right walkers still around. Just ask Lucy or Mr. Neanderthal...who failed and went bye bye.

Of all of the claimed pre-humans in our so-called evolutionary linage, a few of them should have evolved through a similar but different branch and still be with us. The branch radiating out with one limb becoming human and the other some other closely related human like animal.

You might be able to point to some fragmented skull and say, look here's an off shoot, buts that's about all she wrote. They stopped dead. Despite his newly found hands to make tools, bigger brain, speech and so on.

It appears that man’s branch on the tree has no offshoots, not even a twig.... no signs of adaptive radiation...WERE ALONE!

So I ask those that believe in evolutionism...where are our up-right cousins? Why is our closest so called cousin still a knuckle dragging chimp?

Ark Guy said:

So I ask those that believe in evolutionism...where are our up-right cousins? Why is our closest so called cousin still a knuckle dragging chimp?

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You've already answered your own question. They have gone extinct, just like so many other organisms (it is estimated that there are far more organsism that have gone extinct than are alive right now).

Can you show us the models of evolution that predict more cousins for man than we have right now? I'm assuming that you can reference some study or scientific paper or something, or are these just more arguments from incredulity like your math question?

If this is the best argument you have against evolution, you haven't really made a dent. You mention cats. We are probably as closely related to our cousins (chimps, apes, etc) as the cat species you mention (lions, tigers, etc.) are to each other. Kind of makes me think that your point is moot.

They should not have gone extinct....none of the other animals did.

Evolution predicts cousins...so where are they? The cats have them.

Alot of other "cousins" have gone extinct, you fool.

Alot of horse species have gone extinct as well. As other cousins die, we create new ones from the only link that survived, soon, only one of those links will survive, and so forth.

Ark Guy said:

They should not have gone extinct....none of the other animals did.

Evolution predicts cousins...so where are they? The cats have them.

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They were out competed by their 'kin' and they went extinct. Radiation happened, just as evolution would predict..

Evolution describes what is, not what should be. Where does evolution say that any of the 'cousins' must survive?

If lions were introduced into the wilds of other predatory cat habitats, they would out compete these cats and the other cats would most likely go extinct as well.

Just as evolution would predict. You are not discussing evolution, you are creating a strawman.

Bushido216 said:

Alot of other "cousins" have gone extinct, you fool.

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But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. M5:22

Watch it, brother. We aren't here to kill each other. At least, I don't think so.

Please please please, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Guys like this are simply out to perpetuate the misconceptions of creationists as a bunch of bible thumping trailer trash. It is a waste of time responding to them.

Ark guy. At one time, between 1 and 2 million years ago, there were at least 5 hominid species living in Africa (of the Genera Australopithecus, Paranthropus and Homo) SInce the fossil record is so scanty it is likely that there were more. All of these creatures were "cousins" in the sense that you are talking about. Even 100 thousand years ago there were at least 3 hominid species co-habitating the earth.

It is a good question. Why aren't there Australopithecines or other Homo around now? Perhaps they were outcompeted for food and other resources. Perhaps there was outright warfare amongst the different groups. Perhaps diseases. We may never know.

Late_Cretaceous said:

Please please please, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

Guys like this are simply out to perpetuate the misconceptions of creationists as a bunch of bible thumping trailer trash. It is a waste of time responding to them.

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Was that directed at me?

That was directed at Mirror. HE is obviously not interested in any kind of debate or discussion. He simply wants to inflame and provoke people into responding. I also think he is parodying those who he is imitating.

Hey mirror. Prove you are not a troll.

Late_Cretaceous said:

That was directed at Mirror.

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Ok, thank you for clarifying.

sweetsoulsong said:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. M5:22

Watch it, brother. We aren't here to kill each other. At least, I don't think so.

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Thanks for the reproach, I'll be sure to take it into consideration.

Right.

How about this....

Explain why the human and the chimpanzee species share an overall 98-99% nucleotide sequence identity in DNA.

Mirror said:

I DARE YOU TRY AND PROVE THAT BY SOME CHANCE ACCIDENT THE EARTH WAS CREATED. PROVE THAT WE CAME FROM MONKEYS. ILL BE DARNED IF I CAME FROM A MONKEY. WHY ARENT MONKEY STILL MUTATING?

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The thing is Mirror, evolution CANNOT be proven, only disproven. How's that grab you? Nevermind what the Bible says either, it is all about what the evolutionists CHOOSE to accept as fact, proofs are arbitrary as stated here:

Vance said:

...science works through falsification, not proof. No one EVER tries to prove a theory since a theory is not something that can be proved. You have facts, data, evidence. You develop a theory to explain all of these. Then you immediately try to prove it false. Why? Because you can ALWAYS find evidence to support any theory, not matter how far-fetched, but an invalid theory will be quickly falsified by the data. A single instance of "hey, look at this piece of hard, cold data! This could not be if the theory was true!" Such a single falsification, and the theory goes "poof'!

So, accepted theories of why things happen have evidence to support it and the LACK of any faslification (so far). Never proof.

The holders to the theory simply point to the evidence which supports it, the logic and soundness of its conclusions, the areas in which the theory has been used as the basis for tests and those tests have had the predicted results, etc. These are either sufficient for the hearer to accept or they are not. There is not proof involved.

On the other hand, the only way to successfully establish that a theory is not correct is to produce a falsification. An event, a piece of data, etc, which establishes that the theory can not be correct. This is NOT your watermelon analogy in the least. Theories are proven false all the time by contradictory data.

So far, the opponents of the theory (almost ALL based on religious foundations, not objective reviews of the evidence) have failed to produce a single falsification.

This whole line of argument that "evolution is not proven" is simply a non-starter in science, and is only persuasive to the layman who wants to hear it.

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With this kind of reasoning we find that the Biblical parallel of God's wisdom vs. man's wisdom has an agroscopic nuclei to condense itself upon...now here comes the rain:


1Co 1:18-20 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1Co 1:21-24 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1Co 1:25-29 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God.

Can any of the evo-types explain what this verse is supposed to mean? You know that my fundamental, conservative, YEC, closed-minded brain is so bent that I cannot help but perhaps associate this verse with those that speak for God when He hasn't spoken.

Some help for this poor YEC is definitely in order.

TheBear said:

How about this....

Explain why the human and the chimpanzee species share an overall 98-99% nucleotide sequence identity in DNA.

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Well, perhaps either God is a monkey, or the comparison is unworthy of the conclusion that we spawned from the loins of an ape.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Gen 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."