Protestant Poll: Peter in Rome?

[Tu Es Petrus]

Doesn't he have FAITH?...

Don't you have faith when you use your seatbelts? Are you afraid God won't protect you?

 

[calluna]

He uses that glass for the same reason that we use seatbelts. The precaution is proportionate to the danger or threat.

For him to just go out without protection would be playing fast and loose with his life, and that would be a sin

The more interesting question is why a Christian would need protection.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Don't you have faith when you use your seatbelts? Are you afraid God won't protect you?

I only wear a seatbelt because it is the Law here.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

The more interesting question is why a Christian would need protection.

The same reason you use a seat belt. Maybe you should just go driving around with your kids with no seatbelts. I mean, like you said: why does a Christian need protection.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

The more interesting question is why a Christian would need protection.

Maybe you had not considered that there are a billion screaming Muslims who hate Christians, and, if given the chance, would gladly blow us all to smithereens

In fact, it was a Muslim the shot John Paul II.

Helloooooooo

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe you had not considered that there are a billion screaming Muslims who hate Christians, and, if given the chance, would gladly blow us all to smithereens

Do you think your Pope is the only Christian in danger of that

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Do you think your Pope is the only Christian in danger of that

Did I say that? You have a knack for continually putting words in my mouth.

If you think you are in danger too, thats great: Go get yourself your own bullet proof car. I won't put you down for it the way you guys put down the pope.

 

[calluna]

Maybe you had not considered that there are a billion screaming Muslims who hate Christians, and, if given the chance, would gladly blow us all to smithereens

But Christians don't go around in bullet-proof vehicles.

In fact, it was a Muslim the shot John Paul II.

Maybe. Maybe it was a stunt. But 'popes' have kissed the Qur'an, criticised the liberation of Iraq, and made a lot of sympathetic noises to Muslims in recent years. So why the protection?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Did I say that? You have a knack for continually putting words in my mouth.

If you think you are in danger too, thats great: Go get yourself your own bullet proof car. I won't put you down for it the way you guys put down the pope.

From what I have seen over the years, the Pope has brought a lot of the problems on himself, from both Muslims and Jews. And thus all Christianity is affected, not just the Pope and RCS. Whenever the Pope speaks, I actually cringe a lot of times at what he might say. But that is getting off topic I think........

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7335786&page=5

Holocaust denial by traditionalist bishop is unacceptable, says Vatican

 

[Trento]

The more interesting question is why a Christian would need protection.

This is just a sample ; Jihad Watch: Nigeria: Six Christian pastors killed, 40 churches razed in post-election attacks by Muslims

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

But Christians don't go around in bullet-proof vehicles......

Christians who are targets do!

Wasn't Bush a Christian? Was he not trusting God? How about Christians who spend money on security systems for their homes? Are they not trusting God?

Any human being that is threatened takes precautions. To not do so would just be plain dumb, unless you have a death wish.

This is just more pope-bashing. There is no common sense to this discussion

 

[calluna]

This is just a sample ; Jihad Watch: Nigeria: Six Christian pastors killed, 40 churches razed in post-election attacks by Muslims

Don't forget, 'at least 500 other people killed'! Where does Ratzinger go where 500 people are killed?

 

[calluna]

Christians who are targets do!

Why would a Christian be a target?

Wasn't Bush a Christian?

I doubt it. But why compare Ratzinger with a right-wing politician?

 

[Trento]

Don't forget, 'at least 500 other people killed'! Where does Ratzinger go where 500 people are killed?

Pope to make rare visit to Israel in May, following months of Jewish-Catholic tension - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[calluna]

Pope to make rare visit to Israel in May, following months of Jewish-Catholic tension - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Pope to make rare visit to Israel in May, following months of Jewish-Catholic tension - Haaretz - Israel News

Oh no. Does he really have to do that! He can borrow this if he wants............

 

[TheDag]

Your own leader says; “I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity. . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.”

Martin Luther to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519
more than a year after the Ninety-Five Theses
quoted in The Facts about Luther, 356​

Anything about Luther must be taken in the context that he was first and foremost a catholic priest. He never wanted to start his own church but was kicked out of the catholic church (it is interesting that others who said the same thing have since been readmitted while Luther hasn't). So without a church he started a new denomination and did not actually want it named after himself. He still considered himself a catholic priest. So yes his statements are going to support the catholic church with the exception of where he believed their practices to be wrong.

 

[TheDag]

I noted the obvious. YES, we all know, it was claimed that Peter was in Rome. Actually, I'm not sure too many contest that (I don't)...

Hi Josh
This is the problem with coming into the discussion late. Little lamb is indeed contending that Peter was never in Rome and says he only holds beliefs that the bible supports. So we are waiting for little lamb to provide scriptures that prove Peter was never in Rome. MamaZ is defending little lambs belief on the basis of it isn't mentioned in the bible so it can't be true while saying other things aren't mentioned in the bible because they aren't important to salvation. So she is saying lack of mention in the bible is proof something did not happen and also lack of mention in the bible is not proof something did not happen. We are trying to reconcile these contradictory viewpoints.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anything about Luther must be taken in the context that he was first and foremost a catholic priest. He never wanted to start his own church but was kicked out of the catholic church (it is interesting that others who said the same thing have since been readmitted while Luther hasn't). So without a church he started a new denomination and did not actually want it named after himself. He still considered himself a catholic priest. So yes his statements are going to support the catholic church with the exception of where he believed their practices to be wrong.

Perhaps the RCC has had a change of heart toward Luther...there was this thread concerning that:

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6980813&page=14
That Martin Luther? He wasn’t so bad, says Pope

Pope Benedict XVI is to rehabilitate Martin Luther, arguing that he did not intend to split Christianity but only to purge the Church of corrupt practices.

Pope Benedict will issue his findings on Luther (1483-1546) in September after discussing him at his annual seminar of 40 fellow theologians — known as the Ratzinger Schülerkreis — at Castelgandolfo, the papal summer residence. According to Vatican insiders the Pope will argue that Luther, who was excommunicated and condemned for heresy, was not a heretic........................

 

[TheDag]

Why would a Christian be a target?

Oh this is easy just read the bible for the answer!!!!