Protestant errors and inventions

[CaliforniaJosiah]

ElsanRandiMom
I think that the problem is the only reason you can say you believe in the Bible is that is speaks to your soul, the same reason others believe in the Koran or gnostic books. It is circle logic, I believe the Bible is right becuase the Bible says it is right.
Catholics aren't much better, but at least with us it is more of a spiral. If you start with looking at the 4 Gospels as history you hear the story of Jesus who is God and man (it is true this takes a leap of faith) and that He started a visible Church on earth. Then I recognize the Catholic Church as the Church He started, then the Catholic Church tell me that the Gospels, and all of scripture are not just historical books, but the infallible word of God. So even if I did not like.... oh I dunno, the Epistle of James, even if I did not like it I would have to say it is the word of God and free from all error. Because I trust the Church, if I relied on my own heart it might lead me to not believe it because I might not care for it

I accept the canon of books because the church embraced it. NOT because my particular singular denomination did (even if such is the RCC or LDS or my own - which did in 1847).

When the RCC says that the Canon is correct BECAUSE the RCC says it is, that's no different than someone saying that Bigfoot exists because he says Bigfoot does.

But, contrary to the arguments of Catholics, the RCC gets off the "hook." The Canon was developed BEFORE ANY denomination (including that one) did anything. I agree with St. Augustine, my Priest and history that the RCC eventually AFFIRMED the canon, it didn't "create" it. Thus, it is not simply affirming what it itself developed. Only the LDS has that problem. All the rest of us are affirming a Scripture we didn't write, we didn't create, we didn't form. We are all embracing a Rule OUTSIDE of ourselves (in spite of so many Catholics trying very, very hard to put the RCC in the same camp as the LDS on this).




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[Zoness]

Zoness
why?
I think the Church is infallible, if i thought they got it wrong with Purgatory and the rest, why should I trust them to get it right with the Canon of Scripture?

Our difference is in the concept of infalliability, I don't assume that Canon is perfectly correct I just hope and pray it is! The ideas I mentioned started appearing long after the Canon as well I'm not so much familiar with the politics of the times but I'm sure individual decisions probably helped the RCC hold its own in specific situations.

 

[Rhamiel]

I trust HaShem, I trust that He started the "eternal corporation" and that His Spirit keeps it from teaching error.
not to be flipant, but that sounds like an israeli band from the 1980's HaShem and the Eternal Corporation, or a kids book or something

 

[Rhamiel]

It's not that I don't trust the catholic church, I don't trust ANY church. Makes it easier for you doesn't it?

no, i am sorry but this is totaly outside my frame of referance

Our difference is in the concept of infalliability, I don't assume that Canon is perfectly correct I just hope and pray it is!

wow...

 

[Meshavrischika]

Rhamiel - for someone so wrapped up in their church I can see why the total rejection of organized christianity would be a shock to you, but this is where I am, and yet He is still with me... so here I stay - it makes it truely easy to say my one and only authority is Yeshua and His father.

 

[Rhamiel]

ElsanRandiMom

Rhamiel - for someone so wrapped up in their church I can see why the total rejection of organized christianity would be a shock to you, but this is where I am, and yet He is still with me... so here I stay - it makes it truely easy to say my one and only authority is Yeshua and His father.

I am so happy you have such a close relationship with our Lord, may the Lord keep you close to Him, may you walk with Him all the days of your life.

I like being wrapped up in my Church, it is like a boat that God has put here to protect us from the changing waters of this World

 

[Zoness]

no, i am sorry but this is totaly outside my frame of referance

wow...

Sola Fide

 

[Meshavrischika]

ElsanRandiMom
I am so happy you have such a close relationship with our Lord, may the Lord keep you close to Him, may you walk with Him all the days of your life.

I like being wrapped up in my Church, it is like a boat that God has put here to protect us from the changing waters of this World

this is why I think He meets us where we are and takes us where we need to be... not insists we be where everyone else thinks is right. obviously you are in a good place, and so am I

 

[Zoness]

I agree with Elsan everyone is in a place God put them that doesn't mean its always the same place.

 

[Photini]

I like being wrapped up in my Church, it is like a boat that God has put here to protect us from the changing waters of this World

 

[katholikos]

Rhamiel - for someone so wrapped up in their church I can see why the total rejection of organized christianity would be a shock to you, but this is where I am, and yet He is still with me... so here I stay - it makes it truely easy to say my one and only authority is Yeshua and His father.

The problem with that is that Jesus organized a Church. Christ’s Church is hierarchical. He chose apostles, made Peter the leader, and gave them authorities that all the other disciples did not have.

Later, in the book of Acts, the hierarchy develops further. The apostles appoint Deacons (greek - diakonos ), Priests (greek - presbyteros ), and Bishops (greek - episkopos), and each have different duties. It is the same today in the Catholic Church. And that is Biblical. The Biblical Church is organized. To reject an organized Church is to reject the Biblical Church

The Church, like any other organism, is a living thing and it changes as it grows. Its organazition will become more defined as the centuries pass. To reject that is akin to rejecting your own kid when he grows up because he doesn't look like the baby you had once upon a time. Thats silly

 

[Meshavrischika]

and this is where we disagree.

 

[katholikos]

Disagree.. ...with the Bible, or with me? Do you want me to give you the vereses where the apostles appoint Deacons, Priests, and Bishops? Thats a lot of work, but I can do it. Or will you stipulate?

 

[Meshavrischika]

with your and your church's interpretation of the bible.

 

[katholikos]

with your and your church's interpretation of the bible.

Do you not realize that this same Church under then Pope Damasus I decided which books go into the New Testament? If you do not believe what the Church teaches, then how can you know that they did not leave out books that should be in there, or include books that should not be in there? By accepting your New Testament, you have accepted the authority of the Church that canonized it: The Catholic Church.

Quite a conundrum, eh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Disagree.. ...with the Bible, or with me? Do you want me to give you the vereses where the apostles appoint Deacons, Priests, and Bishops? Thats a lot of work, but I can do it. Or will you stipulate?

Greetings. I do not see the word Popes in Reve 1:6.

Hebrews 7:12 For being translated/metatiqemenhV<3346> (5746) the Priesthood, out of necessity also, of Law a translation/metaqesiV <3331> is becoming/ginetai <1096> (5736),

Reve 1:6 And makes us a Kingdom of Priests [popes?] to the God and Father of Him. To Him the glory and the holding into the ages of the ages, Amen.

 

[Meshavrischika]

and this changes my position how?

and who says that I believe all the literature that is inspired by God is in that book?

Try again

 

[Meshavrischika]

It seems to me all you've done is recreate Judaism and added Christ to it, as an aside.

 

[katholikos]

Greetings. I do not see the word Popes in Reve 1:6.....

You don't see it in my post either, so whats your point?

Besisdes [Staff Edit] you should know that pope is from the Greek "papa" which means "father". Now do you see it in there?

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[katholikos]

and this changes my position how?...

I dunno. Just stating the facts Mam, just stating the facts. (Love your hair by the way. )