Protestant errors and inventions (3)

[MoreCoffee]

Paul would not pray to Mary, bow to a pope or command priests to be abstinent, so no Paul was not RC.
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Saint Paul bowed to kings and emperors, it was the custom of the times and still is. And saint Paul advised that those who were able to live a celibate life ought to do so.

I mean, brothers and sisters, the appointed time has grown short; from now on, let even those who have wives be as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no possessions, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away. I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin are anxious about the affairs of the Lord, so that they may be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to put any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and unhindered devotion to the Lord.
(1 Corinthians 7:29-35)
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The Roman Catholics burned people at the stake and slew them with sword in holy war, did they not?

I imagine some who were Catholic Church members did such things. I am sure that some who are Baptists today have murdered and some who are non-denominational too, no doubt such people exist in every denomination and church. And whole nations still go to war. The christians living in the warring nations usually take up arms and fight. Only a few denominations are pacifist. Of course Catholics in holy orders along with monks and nuns do not normally take up arms in war.

 

[1Co13]

Theology, an endless circle of nothing. I have all i need, a bible and a God to pray to, a savior to hope in. I've learned all i can from GT, my errors have been corrected, nothing new here. Praise the Lord.

 

[Rick Otto]

The study of God is an endless circle of nothing?

 

[Albion]

The Church doesn't forbid marriage, the Church requires a priest to give the gift of his sexuality to God.

Or maybe we could say that your church requires a priest, unless he belongs to one of twenty-odd other rites or is a convert from Anglicanism or Lutheranism. Then God doesn't need it.

When did this become Catholic Errors and Inventions?

 

[Stryder06]

The Church doesn't forbid marriage, the Church requires a priest to give the gift of his sexuality to God.

The question here is why? Christ made no such requirement, so why would your church?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

The question here is why? Christ made no such requirement, so why would your church?

It is also interesting that the Priesthood and Marriage are both sacraments, making it impossible for Catholics to practice all seven.

 

[Albion]

The question here is why? Christ made no such requirement, so why would your church?

Well...I made a little joke a couple of posts back, but this is, actually, a good example of Catholic errors and inventions, isn't it? The reason for the church to adopt it as a rule in the Roman rite--a thousand years after Christ--was to avoid the inheritance and property rules and rights that complicated ordinary marital and family life.

Later, the claim was changed to "it helps keep the priest from distractions, etc." That baloney about "gift of his sexuality to God" I chalk up to just another example of coming up with some answer or other when the poster can't think of a better one. It might apply to monks but not parish priests.

 

[Rev Randy]

The question here is why? Christ made no such requirement, so why would your church?

It's their way.
The concept most people are mistaken on is that a Catholic priest cannot marry.
This isn't true. there are tens of thousands of Catholic priests who have married. They are no longer clergy but they remain priests.(Roman rite)
My Church also does not permit a priest, deacon or bishop to marry and remain clergy. But we do ordain men who are already married.
This is not forbidding to marry. It is a choice freely made.

 

[Rev Randy]

It is also interesting that the Priesthood and Marriage are both sacraments, making it impossible for Catholics to practice all seven.

Not actually accurate. The priest is married to Christ.

 

[Stryder06]

It's their way.
The concept most people are mistaken on is that a Catholic priest cannot marry.
This isn't true. there are tens of thousands of Catholic priests who have married. They are no longer clergy but they remain priests.(Roman rite)
My Church also does not permit a priest, deacon or bishop to marry and remain clergy. But we do ordain men who are already married.
This is not forbidding to marry. It is a choice freely made.

It's a choice but what you're saying is "You can marry you just can't serve God in this church in XYZ capacity if you do" which is pretty much taking the choice away.

Kind of like the choice you have when someone says "Give me your wallet or I'll blow your brains out".

 

[Stryder06]

Not actually accurate. The priest is married to Christ.

Except it's not possible for the priest to be married to Christ. Again, that reminds me of women I know who can't find a man so they go "I don't need no man, I'm married to Jesus."

Rubbish is wha that is.

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

My Church also does not permit a priest, deacon or bishop to marry and remain clergy. But we do ordain men who are already married. This is not forbidding to marry. It is a choice freely made.

This is a contradictory statement. Here's why:

"My Church also does not permit a priest, deacon or bishop to marry and remain clergy."

"does not permit" is the same as "forbid". No way around it. Therefore:

My Church also forbids a priest, deacon or bishop to marry and remain clergy... This is not forbidding to marry.

They obviously don't "forbid to marry" in general. No one said that. They forbid to marry and remain clergy, and this means that the seven sacraments cannot be observed in their entirety by one man. The Scriptures are in direct contradiction with this, however.

1 Cor 9:5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

Not actually accurate. The priest is married to Christ.

Where is a priest said to be married to Christ? The marriage of Christ is to be to His church, not of a priest or priests.

 

[Albion]

Where is a priest said to be married to Christ? The marriage of Christ is to be to His church, not of a priest or priests.

That's what nuns and sisters say about their celibate status. They even wear wedding rings to reflect this fanciful belief. But priests? No. It's even silly on its face--a same sex marriage to Christ? I don't think so.

 

[Stryder06]

It's even silly on its face--a same sex marriage to Christ? I don't think so.

I was thinking that, but didn't want to go there

 

[MoreCoffee]

Gee!

Folk ought to be familiar with the bride of Christ being the Church. The Church is people of both sexes.

 

[Stryder06]

Gee!

Folk ought to be familiar with the bride of Christ being the Church. The Church is people of both sexes.

The church being the bride is to be understood symbolically.

Is that what nuns and priests believe? That their "marriage" is symbolic? If so then they are free to marry literally.

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

Gee!

Folk ought to be familiar with the bride of Christ being the Church. The Church is people of both sexes.

Yes, however I am married to my wife. Not Jesus. The marriage of Jesus to the Church is said to be future anyways, as we are but betrothed now. A priest cannot say he is married to Jesus via membership of the Church.

 

[Rev Randy]

It's a choice but what you're saying is "You can marry you just can't serve God in this church in XYZ capacity if you do" which is pretty much taking the choice away.

Kind of like the choice you have when someone says "Give me your wallet or I'll blow your brains out".

Oh come on Stryder. Are you really saying you cannot serve God outside the clergy? Being a priest while not being clergy simply means you don't administer the Sacraments in normal situations. It doesn't even mean you can't administer them. It's nothing like the example you made. It is considered deeply before one accepts Ordination. I had to consider it as well just not as deeply as I came a married man. But I did have to think about the possibility of my wife passing before me.
I enjoy being married. But I have to admit that I see it would be easier to hold my office as a single and celibate man.Now for some I'm sure it might be a tough decision they could not uphold. But serving God is that way. It's filled with tough decisions.
One thing this practice does is weeds out those who decide the clergy is for them on a whim. I did not say it eradicated all the weeds. But it does make one stop and think before entering into such an office. Being in the clergy requires some sacrifice.

 

[Albion]

Gee!

Folk ought to be familiar with the bride of Christ being the Church. The Church is people of both sexes.

Christ is called the bride of the Church. The priest is not married to Christ. I hope that helps.