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By the way, brother tadoflamb, do you know where brother Erose is? I sent him a PM but he has not yet opened it. Is he away on a holiday or something?
Can you please answer that question?
Id' reply to your last two posts, brother Stryder06, but for the absence of substance that is exhibited in them. Did you have something specific to say, if so, please say it directly rather than by innuendo.
God bless
57 protestant errors! That's not too bad compared with Luther's 95 thesis.
Martin Luther's 95 Theses
What's really funny is hearing protestant talk about who Jesus conferred authority upon. We determine Scripture from the Word of God, and what the apostles taught that God's Word meant by what he said.It's funny to hear a catholic talk about self proclaimed authority. Maybe I understand Sola Scriptura differently than it was intended, but I was of the mindset that the teaching emphasized determining doctrine from the word of God over all else. In other words, if your doctrine goes against scripture than your doctrine is in error.
Self proclaimed authority and saying that Sola Scriptura contradicts the scripture. Your church has no grounds for its authority in the scripture and it contradicts various biblical teachings to uphold its traditions.
Is that direct enough for you
It's funny to hear a catholic talk about self proclaimed authority. Maybe I understand Sola Scriptura differently than it was intended, but I was of the mindset that the teaching emphasized determining doctrine from the word of God over all else. In other words, if your doctrine goes against scripture than your doctrine is in error.
What's really funny is hearing protestant talk about who Jesus conferred authority upon. We determine Scripture from the Word of God, and what the apostles taught that God's Word meant by what he said.
What's really funny is hearing protestant talk about who Jesus conferred authority upon. We determine Scripture from the Word of God, and what the apostles taught that God's Word meant by what he said.
Ya know, of the 95 Theses, I count only about 5 different real issues that Luther had with Catholicism. Repentence, the authority of the Church hierarchy, and the sale of indulgences, primarily. What's funny, though, is that it wasn't Church teaching that indulgences could be sold, or that buying indulgences put you in heaven.
The problem is, in the absence of an authentic interpreter, what you really have is the private judgment of men (or women). The least the protestant could do is to allow the Catholic Church the same religious liberty it has afforded itself, and that is the authority to teach and interpret the Sacred Scriptures.
As MC already pointed out, scripture is not of private interpretation. There is one message, one truth, that is applicable to all. The problem is that your church has dubbed itself the sole interpreter of the bible and no such authority has been given it to do such a thing outside of itself.
But the sacred scriptures themselves testify to the authority given to Christ and by Christ to the apostles and through the apostles to the whole Church through the ages until our own day. Authority is always referred to Christ our God. He is the head of the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church and it is he who sends the Spirit to guide and enlighten that church until the end of the ages. See Matthew 28:18-19; John 20:19-23; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38-41. So it is not self proclaimed authority that matters nor is self proclaimed wisdom of any account but rather the wisdom of God given to his Church in the person of Jesus Christ through whom Authority is given over things on earth and in heaven.
Perhaps you object to the Catholic Church for whatever reasons you have received from your religious training and personal reflections on it. That would be no surprise if you have read "The Great Controversy" by Ellen White - for it is truly one of the most reprehensible anti-catholics works produced in the 19th century - but the truth of scripture is what you said you wish to stand for and it is the truth of sacred scripture that Jesus built and is building his church and that he gave authority to his church to forgive sins and to retain them as well as to bind and to unbind things on Earth in the sure knowledge that they are bound and unbound in heaven too. Thus the Catholic Church teaches and so I believe. You may differ, that is always your free choice to make in this life.
On the contrary; it is not the church that granted authority to interpret sacred scripture to herself but Christ who gave that authority to her when he gave the Holy Spirit to her to be her life and her light and her breath. The Church lives because she is the body of Christ enlivened by his Spirit and guided into all truth by the same Spirit as the scriptures teach,
"And I will ask the Father, and he will give another Advocate to you, so that he may abide with you for eternity: the Spirit of Truth, whom the world is not able to accept, because it neither perceives him nor knows him. But you shall know him. For he will remain with you, and he will be in you. I will not leave you orphans. I will return to you. Yet a little while and the world will not see me any longer. But you will see me. For I live, and you shall live. In that day, you shall know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them: it is he who loves me. And whoever loves me shall be loved by my Father. And I will love him, and I will manifest myself to him."
Judas, not the Iscariot, said to him: "Lord, how does it happen that you will manifest yourself to us and not to the world?"
Jesus responded and said to him: "If anyone loves me, he shall keep my word. And my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and we will make our dwelling place with him. Whoever does not love me, does not keep not my words. And the word that you have heard is not of me, but it is of the Father who sent me. These things I have spoken to you, while abiding with you." (John 14:16-25)
Ya know, of the 95 Theses, I count only about 5 different real issues that Luther had with Catholicism.
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Thing is that I don't need to turn to The Great Controversy or any other book by her to vent my issues with your church. All she does is bring to light that which has already been proclaimed in the scripture, she just does it in the modern vernacular. I've asked you this before, and I'll ask you this again, how does your church get around the following text:
Isa 8:20 To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them?
Every time I present this to you, you simply brush it off. If your church has the authority you think it does, than you should have no problem explaining this text. Not a single doctrine or teaching that you have should go against the law or the testimony. If the Spirit is guiding your church as you proclaim it is, you should be in harmony with the law and the testimony. Are you?
The meaning of that text is easily grasped when it is read in its context in history and in God's plan of salvation.
And should people say to you, 'Go and consult ghosts and wizards that whisper and mutter' -- a people should certainly consult its gods and the dead on behalf of the living! As regards instruction and testimony, without doubt this is how they will talk, and hence there will be no dawn for them. (Isaiah 8:19-20)Clearly the words are a condemnation of the necromancy practised by the those who go to wizards that whisper and mutter.
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