Protestant Doctrine

[A. believer]

English is not my first language, so perhaps 'tiny' was not the right word. And in that I apologize myself.

Actually "tiny" is not what I was referring to that needed correction, but rather, your denial that Catholics are to submit to the Pope. The Bible is quite clear that Christians are to submit to their bishops/elders, which is why it seems quite strange that you would deny this point in regard to your "Supreme Pontiff." And the point in all this is, once again, that "Roman Catholic" is a perfectly fitting name for Catholics whose highest human authority is the Roman Pontiff.

And my question was obviously rethoric. The aswer is NO.

For sure the protestant doctrine is not tiny.

So, why we are always on the same 5 catholic believes, even in a thread that is on 'protestant doctrine'?

I ld like that protestants will propone, and share, some positive doctrine, spirituality or practice.
Orthodoxes do it, and Im really learning.

I understand what you're saying, but since I wasn't really following the thread, I'm not even sure how a thread about Protestant doctrine turned in the direction it did. If you're interested in understanding Protestant doctrine, though, I commend you for it, and I'd advise you reading some good solid Protestant theologians. Have you ever read John Piper's Desiring God?

There are lots of arguments that can be shared, like the Holy Spirit, the Incarnation, the way of praying, and so on...by far more interesting than the pope and the infallibility.

In regard to Christology, Trinitarianism, etc., Protestants confess the same creeds you do. In regard to practice, Protestants differ a lot from one another. You'd probably do better in the denominational forums if you want people to discuss those things.

 

[Lynn73]

Yes, we have, and I remain unpersuaded. If a Catholic is under submission to the Roman Pontiff, it's appropriate to call him or her a Roman Catholic in my estimation. (And I trust you wouldn't deny that Catholics are under submission to the Roman Pontiff.)

If there are any Catholics in the world who are not in submission to the Pope of Rome or do not consider him as their leader, please tell us. My understanding is that the Pope is leader of all Catholics and they must be in submission to him as the "vicar of Christ." So I see no problem in referring to Catholics or the Catholic church as Roman Catholic.

 

[edie19]

If there are any Catholics in the world who are not in submission to the Pope of Rome or do not consider him as their leader, please tell us. My understanding is that the Pope is leader of all Catholics and they must be in submission to him as the "vicar of Christ." So I see no problem in referring to Catholics or the Catholic church as Roman Catholic.

My family members who are Roman Catholic say Roman Catholic. I don't think they could all be wrong in how they define themselves.

 

[A. believer]

If there are any Catholics in the world who are not in submission to the Pope of Rome or do not consider him as their leader, please tell us. My understanding is that the Pope is leader of all Catholics and they must be in submission to him as the "vicar of Christ." So I see no problem in referring to Catholics or the Catholic church as Roman Catholic.

Offhand, I would think of Anglo-Catholics--that branch of Anglicanism which is theologically pretty much in line with the Catholic Church. Initially, (prior to the theological reforms of the Protestants theologians within Anglicanism first initiated by Cranmer in the 16th century), this was the entirety of the Anglican Church, but even today, there's a large portion of the Anglican Church which is theologically closer to Catholicism than to Protestantism. My understanding is that it was the Anglicans who initially coined the term "Roman Catholic" to distinguish those under Roman jurisdiction from themselves.

And until relatively recently in history, I understand, the various Eastern-rite Catholics were also not under Roman jurisdiction. I don't know whether there are some that still aren't or not.

But I agree with your use of the term Roman Catholic because when you use it, you are referring to Roman Catholics, and not to others. Some Roman Catholics, for some reason, if they acknowledge the legitimacy of the term Roman Catholic at all, want to limit it to Latin-Rite Catholics. Others, apparently, would just as soon the term disappeared altogether. Still others are fine with it, and some even use it themselves. As for me, I find it a convenient term that cannot reasonably be deemed insulting, so I'll continue to use it until and unless I see some good reason not to. I won't concede the Roman Catholic notion that one cannot be catholic, or even Catholic, without submitting to Papal authority.

 

[Lynn73]

Thanks! I also don't see how one can be Catholic without submitting to papal authority. And also you will find this in the OBOB forum:

This is a forum made up of Catholics who are in communion with the Bishop of Rome, Pope Benedict XVI.and the Holy See. We would ask that discussions of a doctrinal nature please bear this in mind as the model to adhere to; although there are varying definitions of what "catholic" is, in order to dispel confusion among non-Catholic visitors and disruption of the forum as a whole, this is the definition of "Catholic" for this forum.

So, again, there should be no objection to referring to Catholics as Roman Catholics or the Catholic church as the Roman Catholic church. The OBOB forum clearly outlines their communion with the bishop of Rome.