Prosperity

[RandyPNW]

A critique of Osteen's Prosperity Gospel:

I submitted my own response as follows:
Simple answer has taken me years to learn: Jesus in his earthly ministry preached the Law, which required all 613 or so requirements and included, in Deuteronomy, the promise to prosper the Israeli nation. This promise of prosperity, however, required obedience to the Law of Moses, and was a general promise of prosperity for the *nation* and not for *individuals.*

God gifts individuals and calls them individually. Some He will prosper materially, and some He will not. We all have to submit to God's will. But we all have to obey in order to enjoy God's favor with respect to our eternal inheritance.

This is true for nations today in the New Testament era. Our nation will be blessed if we obey, as a people, the Gospel of Christ. Some individuals will be wonderfully prospered. Others will be called to less "material" prosperity, but will prosper in other ways.

But we must all submit to the Cross. And we saw how a nation will end up when a nation is in spiritual decline and disobeys God.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Can you provided a link to the actual debate?

 

[RandyPNW]

Can you provided a link to the actual debate?

No, my wife sharked the above link with me. I'm searching for the actual debate, but haven't found it so far. Please note that my comment on the site was acknowledge, however.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

we all have to obey in order to enjoy God's favor

That's the excuse all the prosperity preachers use to say why things never pan out for anyone but them.

It's a ponzi scheme. Don't fall for it.

"not enough faith"
"not enough perseverance"
"not enough (whatever the excuse du jour happens to be)

Enough of that nonsense. It actually ends up harming people's faith and hurts them financially.

God is not in need of anyone's money and He's not a Divine Extortionist, demanding money and obedience for cash and various forms of prosperity. That whole notion is just a pack of nonsense and lies.

 

[ozso]

I have my doubts this story is legit. It's being told by AI with nothing to back it up. I found a very similar video while looking into it:

Also check out the other videos of the youtube channel posted in the OP:

Voice Of Jonathan

Welcome to Voice of Jonathan – your source for exploring the faith, journey, and powerful message behind Jonathan Roumie, the actor known for portraying Jesus in The Chosen. On this channel, we dive into: The spiritual life and beliefs of Jonathan Roumie His role in The Chosen and its impact...

www.youtube.com

And the channel for the video I found:

Jonathan Heroic

Welcome to Jonathan Heroic – A cinematic tribute to the legendary persona of Jonathan Roumie. Dive into a world of fiction where drama, mystery, and heroism come alive. Our original short stories and imaginative narratives celebrate a larger-than-life version of Jonathan Roumie, blending...

www.youtube.com

Those thumbnails are all AI generated.

 

[fhansen]

A critique of Osteen's Prosperity Gospel:

I submitted my own response as follows:
Simple answer has taken me years to learn: Jesus in his earthly ministry preached the Law, which required all 613 or so requirements and included, in Deuteronomy, the promise to prosper the Israeli nation. This promise of prosperity, however, required obedience to the Law of Moses, and was a general promise of prosperity for the *nation* and not for *individuals.*

God gifts individuals and calls them individually. Some He will prosper materially, and some He will not. We all have to submit to God's will. But we all have to obey in order to enjoy God's favor with respect to our eternal inheritance.

This is true for nations today in the New Testament era. Our nation will be blessed if we obey, as a people, the Gospel of Christ. Some individuals will be wonderfully prospered. Others will be called to less "material" prosperity, but will prosper in other ways.

But we must all submit to the Cross. And we saw how a nation will end up when a nation is in spiritual decline and disobeys God.

Yes, Jesus gave the real meaning of prosperity as the measure of a prosperous heart, where our treasure is in heaven, not here on earth. “Spiritual prosperity”, it could be said

 

[RandyPNW]

I have my doubts this story is legit. It's being told by AI with nothing to back it up. I found a very similar video while looking into it:

Also check out the other videos of the youtube channel posted in the OP:

Voice Of Jonathan

Welcome to Voice of Jonathan – your source for exploring the faith, journey, and powerful message behind Jonathan Roumie, the actor known for portraying Jesus in The Chosen. On this channel, we dive into: The spiritual life and beliefs of Jonathan Roumie His role in The Chosen and its impact...

www.youtube.com

And the channel for the video I found:

Jonathan Heroic

Welcome to Jonathan Heroic – A cinematic tribute to the legendary persona of Jonathan Roumie. Dive into a world of fiction where drama, mystery, and heroism come alive. Our original short stories and imaginative narratives celebrate a larger-than-life version of Jonathan Roumie, blending...

www.youtube.com

Those thumbnails are all AI generated.

Gotya. Sounds pretty silly, if false stories are being passed on in the name of this actor. Don't know who's doing it though? I'm abandoning this thread.