Proposition 8 in California must pass!

[Dogbean]

Being removed from a jury on voir dire is hardly "persecution."

No but it is being denied something due to my faith in Christ, which is awesome!

 

[Archivist]

No but it is being denied something due to my faith in Christ, which is awesome!

But the removal from the jury wouldn't be because of your faith in Christ, but would beacuse of your views regarding custody. And in any event it certainly isn't persecution as you originally claimed.

 

[Dogbean]

But the removal from the jury wouldn't be because of your faith in Christ, but would beacuse of your views regarding custody. And in any event it certainly isn't persecution as you originally claimed.

Sorry for believing that it's dumb to place children in the custody of murderers.

 

[Texas Lynn]

They may be uninformed about the authority of Scripture.

You ain't it.

For your information, I don't have a very high opinion of social work. In my experience, social workers are going around ripping families apart for administering punishment according to the Scriptures. Children that are NOT being abused are being taken away from loving parents and needlessly put in foster care, leaving their parents to question their faith and their God. And children that really are in bad situations are kept in them or missed altogether. Just the other day in the news I saw a child was given to the custody of a convicted killer.

So you can understand I don't care much for the opinion of social workers, especially when they are liberals (religiously or politically). With respect, of course

That's okay. I once gave custody of his four sons to a Mormon who was a paranoid schizophrenic. They were abused and neglected by the mother and despite the guy's mental health status, which was controlled by his meds, he was a better option. Of course his Bishop and his church were supportive of him. And if the kids had been younger than 16 down to 9 chances are he might not have gotten them.

 

[Dogbean]

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You ain't it.

You missed the whole point. A little angry aren't we? The authority of Scripture is not a person. It's the fact that God's Word is authoritative and serves as an absolute truth to guide the Christian's life.

That's okay. I once gave custody of his four sons to a Mormon who was a paranoid schizophrenic. They were abused and neglected by the mother and despite the guy's mental health status, which was controlled by his meds, he was a better option. Of course his Bishop and his church were supportive of him. And if the kids had been younger than 16 down to 9 chances are he might not have gotten them.

. The schizophrenia and neglect should've been your grounds for removing the kids until treatment could be given. But if they spank their kids according to the Bible, that alone is not abuse. And the mormon's are a cult, but a discussion on that would be for another forum.

 

[Texas Lynn]

But the removal from the jury wouldn't be because of your faith in Christ, but would beacuse of your views regarding custody. And in any event it certainly isn't persecution as you originally claimed.

Potnetial jurors don't have particular rights to be placed on a jury; defendants have the right for challenging jurors and/or expanding the pool, as in a Black defendant before an all-white panel.

Most people want to get off jury duty anyway.

I once was empaneled for a capital murder case when in grad school so I needed out. I couldn't affordf two months being sequestered right then. I figured I'd get out when I answered this ? on the 32 page legal sized questionairre "What do you think of lawyers?" this way "Most prosecutors are trying to advance themselves and don't care about the defendant's rights. On the other hand, the defense bar gets their suits at the Salvation Army Store and is no prize either." I think both the prosecution and the defense struck me.

 

[Dogbean]

Texas Lynn,

Come on don't you have any other comments on this post? It's a work of art! Or don't you know how to use the Sword of the Spirit so effectively? I debunked each and every one of your points with it. Or is defending your job all you care about?

 

[Texas Lynn]

You missed the whole point. A little angry aren't we? The authority of Scripture is not a person. It's the fact that God's Word is authoritative and serves as an absolute truth to guide the Christian's life.

You're confusing "fundamentalist Christians" with "Christians".

Well that was a foolish thing to do. The schizophrenia and neglect should've been your grounds for removing the kids until treatment could be given.

He wasn't the perp, his ex was.

But if they spank their kids according to the Bible, that alone is not abuse.

It's not very useful as a parenting manual.

And the mormon's are a cult, but a discussion on that would be for another forum.

Religious discrimination in public services is illegal.

But don't go around thinking you have all the answers for families, because you guys don't.

I think that's somewhere in the code of ethics.

You're overzealous about destroying families; not you in particular, but social workers in general.

In some cases this is correct; look at the FLDS imbroglio in TX.

Keep in mind there are social workers in other areas besides child protection.

But in most cases child protection agencies are not agressive enough in protecting children from abuse and neglect.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Texas Lynn,

Come on don't you have any other comments on this post? It's a work of art! Or don't you know how to use the Sword of the Spirit so effectively? I debunked each and every one of your points with it. Or is defending your job all you care about?

Replied to it in # 364.

 

[Dogbean]

Replied to it in # 364.

I noticed you overlooked all the Scripture I gave. But I guess that's because the Bible isn't taught at your church. That explains everything.

 

[Jase]

People say bad things about Christians all the time.

Matthew 5:11-12 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

This same verse can be applied to the LGBT community that is so insulted and persecuted by the religious fundamentalists in this country. Great is their reward in heaven.

Trying to get inside my head once again? I am not "uniformed regarding diversity blah blah blah." Adoption professionals disagree with me? Oh well. They may be uninformed about the authority of Scripture.

1 Cor 2:13-16 "This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ."

Since when is prejudice "expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words"?

Persecuted for the Gospel. That's awesome! The more that happens, the more unbelievers prove the Bible is right. Jesus said it would happen.

As Archivist pointed out, being excused from a jury for bias is not persecution. Fundamentalists just have to pull the persecution card, lest they have nothing to stand on. FYI, Fundamentalist Christians are the persecutors, not the persecuted.

So you can understand I don't care much for the opinion of social workers, especially when they are liberals (religiously or politically). With respect, of course

Yeah! Darn those liberals, caring about human rights and such. How evil of them.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

To Jase,
Adoption by same sex couples, based on the Biblical testimony, yes it should be seen as abuse in my opinion.

Not that the Bible even mentions same sex couples, let alone their ability to care for and raise children. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good story?

 

[Brennin]

Not that the Bible even mentions same sex couples, let alone their ability to care for and raise children. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good story?

It does not mention them because they were never even a consideration.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

It does not mention them because they were never even a consideration.

Well, you identify yet another failing of the Bible.

But anyway, never even considering them does NOT equal "biblical condemnation of"

 

[Texas Lynn]

I noticed you overlooked all the Scripture I gave. But I guess that's because the Bible isn't taught at your church. That explains everything.

Guessing woud describe that process accurately.

 

[Dogbean]

Guessing woud describe that process accurately.

Clever. I'll rephrase. The Bible is not taught in your church. It's apparent in what you post, and your utter failure to address the scripturally rooted post I gave you a while back. You didn't have anything to say about what I posted you from God's Word.

 

[Washington]

This is my first vist to the thread, and because it's much to large to plow through I haven't bothered to read it all, so please forgive me if this has been posted before.

Public opinion on California Proposition 8 (2008)

.....................for....against...undecided
23 May 2008 ...54%.... 35%.......11%
28 May 2008 ...42%.....51%........ 7%
17 July 2008.... 42%.... 51%........ 7%
27 Aug 2008.... 40%.....54%........ 6%
14 Sep 2008.... 38%.....55%........ 7%

source

 

[EnemyPartyII]

This is my first vist to the thread, and because it's much to large to plow through I haven't bothered to read it all, so please forgive me if this has been posted before.

Public opinion on California Proposition 8 (2008)

.....................for....against...undecided
23 May 2008 ...54%.... 35%.......11%
28 May 2008 ...42%.....51%........ 7%
17 July 2008.... 42%.... 51%........ 7%
27 Aug 2008.... 40%.....54%........ 6%
14 Sep 2008.... 38%.....55%........ 7%

source

Interesting. I think it is strange that the percentages should shift so much, but I'm pleased and surprised that people are apaprently allowing themselves to be swayed by rational discussion.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Texas Lynn,

Guessing woud describe that process accurately.

Not really, this has already been discussed on these threads. Lets take the Anglican Communion for example, the majority GAFCON have observed and noted the departure from the faith (see summary 4 "We repudiate all deviation of departure from the Faith, in whole or in part.. ) as a problem with the TEC. Its as well held Christian position that some of the things you are arguing for is a departure from the Christian faith once delivered.

 

[Archivist]

Sorry for believing that it's dumb to place children in the custody of murderers.

Placing children in the custody of murderers wasn't what was under discussion when you made your initial statement.

I guess that you aren't going to admit that removing you in voir dire for the views that you esxpressed isn't persecution for your Christian beliefs.