Proposition 8 in California must pass!

[Brennin]

That's true enough, but places like Kern County and Tulare County will have to perform same gender marriages if Prop. 8 is defeated whether they like it or not.

That's true enough, which is why I propose splitting the state.

 

[Jase]

My big concern is I want my children to grow up learning God's Word and a Biblical worldview. I have a problem with gays, but no more than I have a problem with killers, and liars, and adulterers, and thieves, and idolaters, etc.

Does anyone else find it exceedingly disturbing and insulting that those born with a sexual orientation of which they had no choice, are likened to those who choose to kill, steal, or lie?

It just so happens this thread is about gays, but I'm not any more hung up on them as I am on other sinners. And I'm a sinner myself, so I'm not excluded. Nobody is perfect except Jesus Christ. But I have a bigger problem with hypocrites. I'll define hypocrite to be a person who preaches against a sin and then willfully commits that sin. I don't mean they slip up, I mean they live a life characterized by that sin. A hypocrite is also a person who claims to be a Christian yet lives in sin. If you just take the Bible for what it says, a practicing gay Christian is by definition a hypocrite.

Not everyone agrees on what is a sin and what isn't. And you, like most conservative Christians are more hung up on homosexuality than other sins. That's why a minority of the population is criticized and condemned, while sins committed by the majority are ignored. Why isn't there a sub-forum for heterosexual adultery or divorce? Considering 85-90% of the US is Christian, and the divorce rate is around 50%, that seems like a far more pressing "sin" than homosexuality. That, is what we call hypocricy.

 

[Brennin]

You know what a eunuch is, right? Chances are the guy was a Friend of Dorothy.

LOL. Funny, but just because someone is a eunuch does not mean he attends Bette Midler's lounge acts religiously and knows every Barbara Streisand song by heart.

 

[Texas Lynn]

God does not approve of homosexual practice.

This is of course nothing authoritative, merely this poster's opinion.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Being gay however is a completely different frame of mind then being Jewish or black.

Not for Harvey Fierstein or Alice Walker.

I just happen to think gay sex is repulsive. Whats wrong with that?
Should I be labeled because I don't agree with homosexual sex?

Maybe not, just as if you think scrambled eggs are repulsive, that's your right. But if you insist on speaking out about it though it becomes something else entirely.

 

[Texas Lynn]

It's not negative, I just don't think homosexuality is normal. Dont see a reason to treat it as normal either. But whats wrong with being abnormal?

The "abnormal versus normal" debate is always an exercise in begging the question.

Normal is not the same as desirable.

As long as no one's rights are violated on the basis of someone's subjective concepts of such things it does not matter to me.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Only the abnormal people.

Someone who thinks they themselves are "normal" are abnormal in the view of someone else.

 

[Texas Lynn]

One, I never said I was normal and two I have asked, whats wrong with abnormal?

All the hippies are freaking out about normal man...

Hippies? I thought I saw one once in Target. He was old as McCain.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Such children are not going to be raised with a proper view of what a solid Christian family is, since there are no examples in the Bible of gay families raising children.

There are no examples of families in the Bible where the Dad is a nuclear engineer or the Mom is a desktop publisher either, so, your assertion is invalid.

studies have shown that children raised by gay couples have a higher chance of having emotional and mental issues as they grow up.

They said the same thing about interracial kids too.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I personally wonder what would happen if a child were raised in the home of a gay couple that took them to church, and later on the child, through personal study of the Scriptures, accepted Christ and then came across passages that convinces him/her that homosexuality is a sin. I wonder what the child would think about his/her parents, if they were hypocrites or not. I imagine that would be a tough situation to be in.

Well, no LGBT couple in their right mind, in my opinion anyhow, would go to a church that did not honor LGBT families. But there are some who come from extreme fundamentalist-evangelical backgrounds and don't wish to leave it. Metropolitan Community Church is kind of like that, started by the gay Pentecostal preacher Troy Perry and pretty much evangelical through and through except for their affirmation of LGBT individuals and families.

 

[Texas Lynn]

They would think their parents were in need of some rebuke. If the child of such a couple gets saved, and their parents are legitimatly professing Christians, they are supposed to confront them with their sin, as it says in the Gospels.

It happens. Families become estranged over all kinds of things.

 

[Texas Lynn]

[in response to "The children of gay and lesbian parents are happy and well adjusted and grow up to be happy and well adjusted adults] Every single one of them?

Just like children of heterosexuals.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I never said a Christian family was the "standard," but it certainly is the best. In this discussion, I should have specified a non-gay, two-parent family where normal sexual roles/values are taught and modelled.

If somebody wants to live that lifestyle, they have a right to, but they don't have a right to flaunt it in front of the rest of us.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I have a problem with gays, but no more than I have a problem with killers, and liars, and adulterers, and thieves, and idolaters, etc.

I don't know any idolataers per se, except in terms of say workaholics who worship their jobs and the like. But the comparison of that series with "gays" is unfortunate and not based on a rational analysis of the different groups. It's like saying a chair belongs in the same category as a knife, a fork, and a spoon, only with an added insult included.

If you just take the Bible for what it says, a practicing gay Christian is by definition a hypocrite.

This term "practicing gay" appears to be an intentional slur. We don't say "practicing heterosexual" and this particular sneering term is especially disrespectful.

Nobody "just take the Bible for what it says" including those who say they do. All are highly selective in their literalism.

Therefore, a child growing up in such a situation may or may not come to a point through their study of the Scriptures that their parents are hypocrites.

Every child comes to that conclusion about their parents over one thing or another since we are all hypocrites in this or that.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Just as the articles posted before were clearly from journals promoting a gay agenda.

When the term "gay agenda" is used it's usually merely an attempt to separate LGBTs from others. LGBTs just want the same things heterosexuals want like being treated as persons ofdignity and worth.

 

[Texas Lynn]

No, I'm in San Diego. And, yes, I know Scott Peterson is heterosexual.

Is your real first name James?

 

[Texas Lynn]

LOL. Funny, but just because someone is a eunuch does not mean he attends Bette Midler's lounge acts religiously and knows every Barbara Streisand song by heart.

Pretty good knowledge of sterotypes there.

 

[OllieFranz]

LOL. Funny, but just because someone is a eunuch does not mean he attends Bette Midler's lounge acts religiously and knows every Barbara Streisand song by heart.

But the Ethiopian treasurer had been in Jerusalem to worship in the Temple. He could not do that if he were a man-made eunuch (see Deuteronomy 23:1). So he must have been a "sun-eunuch" "born that way from his mother's womb.(See Matthew 19:12)"

 

[Dogbean]

Does anyone else find it exceedingly disturbing and insulting that those born with a sexual orientation of which they had no choice, are likened to those who choose to kill, steal, or lie?

Not everyone agrees on what is a sin and what isn't. And you, like most conservative Christians are more hung up on homosexuality than other sins. That's why a minority of the population is criticized and condemned, while sins committed by the majority are ignored. Why isn't there a sub-forum for heterosexual adultery or divorce? Considering 85-90% of the US is Christian, and the divorce rate is around 50%, that seems like a far more pressing "sin" than homosexuality. That, is what we call hypocricy.

Now that's where you're dead wrong! You are not in my head so you don't know what I'm thinking. If a person came in here wanting to justify murder, or stealing, or any other sin I'd talk to them the exact same way. Do not presume to tell me I am more hung up on this than other sins.

85-90% of the US professes to be Christian, but the actual percentage of those that really live the faith and have Jesus living in their hearts is actually much, much lower. According to this website, the percentage of born again evangelical Christians, which is how I would describe myself, in the USA is 7%. We are clearly not the majority.

Here is the explanation of that that site means.

1. "Born Again Christians" number between 35-40% of the American Population

In Barna Research Group studies, born again Christians are not defined on the basis of characterizing themselves as "born again" but based upon their answers to two questions. The first is "have you ever made a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important in your life today?" If the respondent says "yes," then they are asked a follow-up question about life after death. One of the seven perspectives a respondent may choose is "when I die, I will go to Heaven because I have confessed my sins and have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior." Individuals who answer "yes" to the first question and select this statement as their belief about their own salvation are then categorized as "born again."

2. "Evangelicals" number around 7% of the American population

Barna surveys do not ask people to define themselves as “evangelical” but instead categorize people as such based on their beliefs. In this approach, evangelicals a subset of born again Christians. In addition to meeting the born again criteria (described below) evangelicals also meet seven other conditions. Those include saying their faith is very important in their life today; contending that they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; stating that Satan exists; maintaining that eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not by being good or doing good deeds; asserting that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; saying that the Bible is totally accurate in all it teaches; and describing God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today. In this framework, being classified as “evangelical” is not dependent upon any kind of church or denominational affiliation or involvement.

 

[Dogbean]

When the term "gay agenda" is used it's usually merely an attempt to separate LGBTs from others. LGBTs just want the same things heterosexuals want like being treated as persons ofdignity and worth.

I think everyone should be treated with dignity and worth.