Proposition 8 in California must pass!

[Brennin]

R-i-g-h-t---um... what SPECIFICALLY would you, as a business owner, have to do that you don't approve of for homosexual couples that you wouldn't have to do for any other customer?

A concrete example from my state involved a golf course that was forced to provide the same discount to the domestic partner of a lesbian as they would to a spouse in a real marriage.

 

[Brennin]

Several times on these threads I have asked, Why does God consider homosexuality a sin? I still haven't received an answer.
And the Bible, for all its myriad faults, is usually translated into grammatical English: "Let him".

Let's see. Homoeroticism is irrational, contrary to order, contrary to our telos.

 

[Texas Lynn]

A concrete example from my state involved a golf course that was forced to provide the same discount to the domestic partner of a lesbian as they would to a spouse in a real marriage.

Justice was served in that case.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Let's see. Homoeroticism is irrational, contrary to order, contrary to our telos.

Just like heteroeroticism. That's the beauty of it.

 

[Brennin]

Justice was served in that case.

No, it was not. The legitimate role of government does not extend to forcing a golf course to cater to lesbians, despite their sense of entitlement.

 

[David Brider]

One's ethnicity or skin color does not involve (morally reprehensible) actions. That's the difference.

Nor does being gay or lesbian.

David.

 

[Brennin]

Just like heteroeroticism. That's the beauty of it.

Wrong. Men are women are meant to be together. Your inability to perceive the difference explains much, though.

 

[Brennin]

Nor does being gay or lesbian.

David.

So you claim.

 

[David Brider]

So you claim.

Yes. Because it's true. Being gay or lesbian involve no actions, morally reprehensible or otherwise.

David.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

I insist that gay marriage represents the greatest form of legalized child abuse ever written into law, because social experiments in other countries that allow gay marriage have shown that adult children of gay parents suffer from high rates of depression, anxiety and divorce.
Because gay marriage is a child-endangerment issue and not a religious issue, we must gear our efforts towards saving the child from being raised in these families. When will the Proposition 8 people realize this? when will they realize gay marriage is a child-endangerment issue, and when will they begin to air commercials on TV and radio showing this?

Because Proposition 8 organizations are lacking in the creative endeavor with respect to the promotion of Proposition 8, then it will be the fault of the people running the Proposition efforts when the Proposition is defeated in November. It will not be the gay community's fault.

Just out of curiosity can you document any of this?

 

[D.W.Washburn]

No, it was not. The legitimate role of government does not extend to forcing a golf course to cater to lesbians, despite their sense of entitlement.

Katie, bar the door!

Next thing they'll make us let Jews in the swimming pool and bus black children into our schools!

And before you say "apples and oranges" let me say that treating any minority, based on race, religion or sexual preference, as somehow inferior is abhorrent.

You illustrate perfectly that this is a matter of civil rights.

Kyrie eleison!

 

[Texas Lynn]

No, it was not. The legitimate role of government does not extend to forcing a golf course to cater to lesbians, despite their sense of entitlement.

"Legitimacy" of governments are in the eyes of the beholders. As it is a country club that would refuse services to minorities would face stiff fines, just as other enterprises would, thanks to the will of the people.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Wrong. Men are women are meant to be together. Your inability to perceive the difference explains much, though.

The idea anyone could "know" what is "meant to be" in such a way is laughable.

The best thing people can do in regard to such things is take care of themselves and when it comes to others mind their own business.

 

[Brennin]

"Legitimacy" of governments are in the eyes of the beholders. As it is a country club that would refuse services to minorities would face stiff fines, just as other enterprises would, thanks to the will of the people.

No, it is not. We are a constitutional republic and the extent of the coercive powers of government is laid out in that document. Also, it is not the will of the people in this case. It is the will of an activist judiciary.

 

[Brennin]

The idea anyone could "know" what is "meant to be" in such a way is laughable.

The best thing people can do in regard to such things is take care of themselves and when it comes to others mind their own business.

Christians know. So do non-Christian natural law theorists.

 

[Brennin]

Katie, bar the door!

Next thing they'll make us let Jews in the swimming pool and bus black children into our schools!

And before you say "apples and oranges" let me say that treating any minority, based on race, religion or sexual preference, as somehow inferior is abhorrent.

You illustrate perfectly that this is a matter of civil rights.

Kyrie eleison!

Thank you for introducing the audience to the bandwagon fallacy. As for the particulars of your vapid argument, public/government facilities cannot legitimately discriminate against blacks or Jews but it is illegitimate for government to coerce private establishments into accepting people they do not want, even if you or I find their discrimination repellent.

 

[pgp_protector]

If you are objecting to Gay Marriages because of your Biblical understanding, why are you not also fighting to outlaw other marriages that the bible forbids ?

Example can a Non Christian Marry a Christian Legally according to you ?
Exodus 34:10-16: "And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels ... behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God; Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods."

Deuteronomy 7:1-6 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly" (v. 3-4).


Why allow one but ban the other ?

 

[Brennin]

If you are objecting to Gay Marriages because of your Biblical understanding, why are you not also fighting to outlaw other marriages that the bible forbids ?

Example can a Non Christian Marry a Christian Legally according to you ?
Exodus 34:10-16: "And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels ... behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God; Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods."

Deuteronomy 7:1-6 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly" (v. 3-4).


Why allow one but ban the other ?

Apparently, you have mistaken me for a practitioner of Judaism.

 

[pgp_protector]

Apparently, you have mistaken me for a practitioner of Judaism.

No, I've no idea on your practice, your icon states "Faith: Christian-Seeker"

But I'm guessin you stated that to the selection of OT verses I used, so I'll go with the NT


2 Corinthians 6:14-15: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" (KJV)

Mark 10:11-12 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.


Matthew 19:8-9 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."


So given that one isn't supposed to marry outside the faith (2nd Corinthians) or remarry (unless unfaithfulness / death) (Mark 10, Luke 16, Matthew 19) Should these also be outlawed ?

 

[MercyBurst]

I believe that Homosexuality is a sinful and evil action aswell.

But you know what is said in the bible:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." :3

I also heard Jesus say go and sin no more.

Do you suppose that means to go out and justify gay sex at Christian Fourms?