Proposition 8 in California must pass!

[Brennin]

I'll ask it again then.
Do you have a problem with my "unblibical" marriage ?

You'll have to be more specific than that.

 

[BigBadWlf]

If I own a business, say, then idiot judges like the four who forced gay "marriage" on us would rule (actually, have ruled) that I have to treat gay "marriages" the same as real marriages. They have no business forcing that nonsense on me or anyone else who disagrees with it.

How horrible for you…why someday some judge may come along and say you have to treat Jews like human beings or….*gasp* blacks…Oh the horror…oh the humanity! Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!?

 

[pgp_protector]

You'll have to be more specific than that.

According to a Literal interpretation of the Biblical Definitions, it's a sinful marriage.

 

[Brennin]

How horrible for you…why someday some judge may come along and say you have to treat Jews like human beings or….*gasp* blacks…Oh the horror…oh the humanity! Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!?

That's not the government's job. If a business discriminated against Jews or blacks then I would not patronize it.

 

[Brennin]

According to a Literal interpretation of the Biblical Definitions, it's a sinful marriage.

Uh-huh. And?

 

[pgp_protector]

Uh-huh. And?

So do you have a problem with ALL unbliblical marriages, or just one type, but the other unblibical ones you'll ignore ?

 

[BigBadWlf]

That's not the government's job. If a business discriminated against Jews or blacks then I would not patronize it.

Yet you yourself would have no trouble discriminating against minorities. So why would you not patronize a business for doing what you exactly what you stated would wish to do in your own business?

Why is discrimination bad for some but magically good for others

What is the difference between a business that discriminates against blacks or non-Christians and a business that discriminates against gays and lesbians?

 

[Brennin]

Yet you yourself would have no trouble discriminating against minorities. So why would you not patronize a business for doing what you exactly what you stated would wish to do in your own business?

Why is discrimination bad for some but magically good for others

What is the difference between a business that discriminates against blacks or non-Christians and a business that discriminates against gays and lesbians?

One's ethnicity or skin color does not involve (morally reprehensible) actions. That's the difference.

 

[KCKID]

One's ethnicity or skin color does not involve (morally reprehensible) actions. That's the difference.

I don't quite know how to put this without being crass, but ...when you think about it, aren't ALL sexual acts kind of gross . . .? I mean, wouldn't it have been far more hygienic and far less 'yukky' for a handshake to have substituted for sex as we know it? Yeah, I know ...we would then have Christians frothing at the mouth and coming out and condemning same-sex handshakes.

(Sometimes I don't know why these things pop into my mind but they just do)

 

[OllieFranz]

I don't quite know how to put this without being crass, but ...when you think about it, aren't ALL sexual acts kind of gross . . .? I mean, wouldn't it have been far more hygienic and far less 'yukky' for a handshake to have substituted for sex as we know it?

That is one of the reasons why I am and have always been celibate. But I have no problem with the fact that most other people have strong sex drives that not only allow them to get past the messiness of the whole business, but almost turn it into an actual reason to indulge.

What I don't understand is why people who know how strong their own sex drives are expect others to somehow just turn off it off, because they (the "some people" mentioned) are grossed out about a form of messiness that their own drives do not overcome.

 

[Andreusz]

Having to acknowledge the "unions" is how it affects me.

I take it you oppose heterosexual marriages, where one or both of the parties has been through a no-fault divorce, with equal fervour. Have you started a petition to make such marriages unconstitutional? If not, why not?
And why are there no threads on this board to discuss the immorality of such marriages?

 

[Rani_Saved]

I believe that Homosexuality is a sinful and evil action aswell.

But you know what is said in the bible:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." :3

 

[Andreusz]

Homosexuals can play house all they want...

This is ill-mannered and disrespectful. It is similar to saying that black people are not as mature or intelligent as white people.
My lover and I intend to buy a house together next year. We will not be 'playing' house -- we will be accepting the responsibility of a bond, which we will pay off by earning money, for which we will work hard. We will pay for our furniture, and we'll keep our lawn mowed, our flowerbeds weeded, and our dogs fed and happy. We will also employ a maid (South Africa has a very high unemployment rate, sometimes estimated as 40% of the adult population, so employing anyone is surely a good thing), and I hope we will be able to offer her accomodation. We will pay our rates and obey all the civic by-laws. I don't see how any of this is 'playing'.
As an atheist, I would say that if anyone is living in a fantasy world, it is you. You have based your whole life on a collection of myths, yet you accuse others of being childlike!
I await your apology with interest.

 

[Andreusz]

I believe that Homosexuality is a sinful and evil action aswell.

But you know what is said in the bible:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." :3

Several times on these threads I have asked, Why does God consider homosexuality a sin? I still haven't received an answer.
And the Bible, for all its myriad faults, is usually translated into grammatical English: "Let him".

 

[EnemyPartyII]

One's ethnicity or skin color does not involve (morally reprehensible) actions. That's the difference.

What specifically is morally reprehensible about homosexual sex?

No, vague, tangential Bible quotes don't count. I want specific explanations of WHY homosexuality should be considered immoral.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

If I own a business, say, then idiot judges like the four who forced gay "marriage" on us would rule (actually, have ruled) that I have to treat gay "marriages" the same as real marriages. They have no business forcing that nonsense on me or anyone else who disagrees with it.

R-i-g-h-t---um... what SPECIFICALLY would you, as a business owner, have to do that you don't approve of for homosexual couples that you wouldn't have to do for any other customer?

 

[Andreusz]

I insist that gay marriage represents the greatest form of legalized child abuse ever written into law, because social experiments in other countries that allow gay marriage have shown that adult children of gay parents suffer from high rates of depression, anxiety and divorce.

Several of us have asked Holy Roller to provide some evidence for the assertion he makes, quoted above. So far he has not done so. Without such evidence, this assertion is simply abuse, and is not much different from the popular Medieval belief that Jews kidnapped Chrisitan children and used their blood in making matzoh bread. Perhaps the moderators could ask Holy Roller to supply his sources?

 

[KCKID]

I believe that Homosexuality is a sinful and evil action as well.

You've already been asked this by others but I'll also ask: Precisely WHAT is sinful and evil about two people of the same gender simply 'making out' together? Alternatively, what is NOT sinful and evil about two people of the opposite gender simply 'making out' together? Why is one sinful and evil and the other not sinful and evil?

Would you please explain in your OWN words? Thank you.

 

[BigBadWlf]

One's ethnicity or skin color does not involve (morally reprehensible) actions. That's the difference.

I’m still unclear why it is OK for you to discriminate against some people but somehow justify the very same morally reprehensible behavior to other people


Racists don’t hate anyone because of their skin color. Rather, like the excuse you are giving here, they object to the morally reprehensible behavior most blacks engage in, specifically the behavior of acting as social equals to whites and in doing so defying the word of God. How exactly does your wish to discriminate differ form the actions of racists?

 

[Brennin]

This is ill-mannered and disrespectful. It is similar to saying that black people are not as mature or intelligent as white people.
My lover and I intend to buy a house together next year. We will not be 'playing' house -- we will be accepting the responsibility of a bond, which we will pay off by earning money, for which we will work hard. We will pay for our furniture, and we'll keep our lawn mowed, our flowerbeds weeded, and our dogs fed and happy. We will also employ a maid (South Africa has a very high unemployment rate, sometimes estimated as 40% of the adult population, so employing anyone is surely a good thing), and I hope we will be able to offer her accomodation. We will pay our rates and obey all the civic by-laws. I don't see how any of this is 'playing'.
As an atheist, I would say that if anyone is living in a fantasy world, it is you. You have based your whole life on a collection of myths, yet you accuse others of being childlike!
I await your apology with interest.

Don't hold your breath for that apology. Incidentally, one of my favorite professors is from South Africa.