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Prophetic promises to Israel

Discussion in 'Dispensationalism' started by Biblewriter, May 1, 2016.

  1. BABerean2

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    You are starting to sound like a Dispensationalist.

    You are making Christ out to be a liar.

    Christ Came to Fulfill the Law. He said so in His own words.

    Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 
    Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 


    The New Covenant was fulfilled in Blood at Calvary.

    Mat 26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 


    Joh 19:30  When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    What was finished?
    Our sin debt and the whole Old Covenant system, which was only a shadow of Christ.
    He sat down when He went to be with the Father, because He had finished His work.
    He did not stand up at the Father's right hand until 70 AD.



    Mar_15:38  And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

    The veil was not ripped in half in 70 AD.
    It happened on the day of the Cross.



    Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 
    Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 
    Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 
    Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 
    Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 
    Gal 4:29  But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 
    Gal 4:30  Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 
    Gal 4:31  So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 


    Paul made it clear that the inheritance did not come through the Old Covenant system, which he called a covenant of "bondage".

    He said the law was put in place "until" the seed could come to whom the promise was made.

    Gal 3:19  What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 

    That same little word "till" is found in Matthew 5:18.


    Paul put no confidence in the Old Covenant system.

    Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 


    Gal 5:2  Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 

    Gal 5:3  And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 

    Gal 5:4  You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 


    The Cross was the fulfillment of the covenant promise given in Jeremiah 31:31-34.


    Paul also made it clear that there was only one Gospel, not two.

    Gal 1:6  I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 

    Gal 1:7  which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 

    Gal 1:8  But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 

    Gal 1:9  As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. 



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  2. jgr

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    Ezekiel's Temple

    There is a strong consensus among adherents of dispensational OT prophetic futurism that the temple and associated rituals described in Ezekiel 40-47, including animal sacrifices, will be physically reestablished during an earthly millennium.

    It would not be the first time that such has been attempted. Historical descriptions of the outcome of the most notable endeavor, under Roman emperor Julian, can be found here.

    Other historical attempts had outcomes which, while not as dramatic, were no less convincing in their failure.

    It is diffcult to conceive of a prospect more odious than that of reinstituted animal sacrifices. God never took pleasure in these (Ps. 40:6; 51:16; Heb. 10:6), and the consummating blood offering of the Lamb of God irrevocably extinguished the ancient sacrificial fires forever.

    Ezekiel's temple will never be physically rebuilt, for under the everlasting New Covenant, "...the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands..." (Acts 7:48-49).
     
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  3. BABerean2

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    I have not confirmed these dimensions myself.

    However, it is my understanding that the temple described in some of these passages is the size of the city of Jerusalem.

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    random person 1 COR. 10:11; HEB. 1:2; HEB. 9:26,28; 1 PET. 1:20

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    Check out this NEW thread that addresses this very thing from a full preterist perspective.

    http://www.christianforums.com/threads/day-of-atonement-typology-relation-to-the-second-coming-of-christ-and-the-resurrection-full-pret.7970510/
     
  5. BABerean2

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    The Hope of Israel is to share the Gospel with the branches broken off of the tree to get them grafted back into the Olive Tree of Romans chapter 11, which is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelite and Gentile branches.

    ONE FOR ISRAEL now has a Bible College in central Israel.

    About 2/3 of its students are of Jewish descent and the other 1/3 is Arab.

    These descendants of Abraham are united together in the seed promised to Abraham, who is the one seed of Galatians 3:16.

    Praise God for these men and women who are taking the Gospel to the land where Jesus walked.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/WWWoneforisraelORG



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  6. rob_aston

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    good to meet u bro
    (the blue word here below is a link to my blog, where by the rules of this forum, i place prophetic words)
     
  7. BABerean2

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    Prophetic Promise to Israel: The New Covenant

    Jer 31:31  "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 

    Jer 31:32  not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 

    Jer 31:33  But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
     
    Jer 31:34  No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." 



    Heb 12:22  But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 

    Heb 12:23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 

    Heb 12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. 

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  8. jgr

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    Millennial Mystery

    Isaiah 35:9 King James Version (KJV)
    No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there.

    Isaiah 65:25 King James Version (KJV)
    The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.


    If no lion shall be there, how shall the lion eat straw like the bullock?
     
  9. jgr

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    Returning to the truth

    The Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) church in Canada, one of Canada's largest evangelical denominations, recently updated its Statement of Faith. One of the updates was:

    Before:
    The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is imminent and will be personal, visible, and premillennial.

    After:
    The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is imminent and will be personal and visible.

    The denomination's premillennialism was overwhelmingly dispensational. Church leadership defended the change as necessary to address dispensational inconsistencies with Scripture, and in particular to recognize that the Messiah established the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God as a single completely fulfilled spiritual reality at His first coming.
     
  10. BABerean2

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    As more people come to understand the New Covenant they will be forced to reject modern Dispensational Theology as unscriptural. There is only one people of God, based on faith and not on race.

    Dispensationalists have done what we were told not to do in scripture.

    Luk_3:8  Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.

    John the Baptist told the Israelites of his time not to put their faith in the fact that they were descendants of Abraham.

    Joh_8:39 They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did,

    Jesus told them the same thing when they said that Abraham was their father. He let them know that they were not to put their confidence in their genealogy.

    Modern Dispensationalists are making the same mistake today when they say...

    "They are Abraham's seed."


     
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  11. jgr

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    C'mon, there's got to be some literal dispensational explanation for this.:holy:
     
  12. Biblewriter

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    Every misguided and unbelieving attempt to find a contradiction in scripture is always founded upon ignoring something about one or both of the supposedly conflicting passages.

    In this case, the poster has ignored the plain and obvious fact that one of the passages specifically says that there will be no lion in a specific place, while the other passage just as specifically says that lions, where they are, will no longer be killers.

    Isaiah 35:8-9 is speaking of a specific place:


    "A highway shall be there, and a road, And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness. The unclean shall not pass over it, But it shall be for others. Whoever walks the road, although a fool, Shall not go astray. No lion shall be there, Nor shall any ravenous beast go up on it; It shall not be found there. But the redeemed shall walk there." Isaiah 35:8-9

    There will be no lion along the highway that "shall be called the Highway of Holiness." And further, "no ravenous beast shall go up upon it."

    This statement neither says, nor even implies that at that time there will be no such thing as a lion. It only says that there will be no lion along the "Highway of Holiness."

    So the imagined contradiction does not exist.
     
  13. jgr

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    Here's the Highway of Holiness - the spiritual roadway of the righteous...:


    Psalm 84:5 NASB
    How blessed is the man whose strength is in You, In whose heart are the highways to Zion!

    Proverbs 15:19 NASB
    The way of the lazy is as a hedge of thorns, But the path of the upright is a highway.

    Proverbs 16:17 NASB
    The highway of the upright is to depart from evil; He who watches his way preserves his life.


    ...characterized by the power of the gospel to transform and eliminate the predatory nature of unregenerate humankind. No contradiction there.
     
  14. BABerean2

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    Who is heir to the land?

    Mat 21:37  Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' 
    Mat 21:38  But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.' 
    Mat 21:39  So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 
    Mat 21:40  "Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?" 
    Mat 21:41  They said to Him, "He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons." 
    Mat 21:42  Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. THIS WAS THE LORD'S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES' ? 
    Mat 21:43  "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 


    Does the land belong to those who reject the Heir as the Chief Cornerstone?
    What does Peter say?


    1Pe 2:4  Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 
    1Pe 2:5  you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
    1Pe 2:6  Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHIEF CORNERSTONE, ELECT, PRECIOUS, AND HE WHO BELIEVES ON HIM WILL BY NO MEANS BE PUT TO SHAME." 
    1Pe 2:7  Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE," 
    1Pe 2:8  and "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. 
    1Pe 2:9  But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 
    1Pe 2:10  who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. 


    Who is teaching Replacement Theology when they claim the land belongs to those who reject the Son as Heir and Chief Cornerstone?

    They have replaced the Heir with those who reject Him.

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  15. Biblewriter

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    The unchanging promises of a God who cannot lie are stronger that all the reasonings of men.
     
  16. BABerean2

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    Mat 3:9  and do not think to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 

    Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ. 

    Gal 3:29  And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. 

    1Ti 1:4  nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.




    The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9, prove that the baby born in a manger is the seed of the woman found in Genesis 3:15.
    He was and is the promised Messiah.


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    No amount of arguing can change the fact that God has very explicitly promised that He will, as some time in the future, descend upon the Mount of Olives, destroy the armies that will at that time be attacking Jerusalem, bring all Israel back to its ancient homeland, and purge out all the rebels from among them. And that all the rest of them will turn to Him with their whole hearts and He will settle the rest in their ancient homeland, in areas that He has already explicitly designated, divided according to their twelve tribes.
     
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    Agreed, and there of no contradiction of covenants involved, as they will all be born again at that time. Two-thirds will perish, but one-third will be saved. He doesn't recognize there are multiple things going on all at once in that time.
     
  19. Biblewriter

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    Correct.
     
  20. BABerean2

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    And will they do this as a part of the Olive Tree New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together into one tree?

    Or will their salvation occur outside of the New Covenant, which was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13 and in the passages below?

    Act 2:14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 

    Act 2:22  "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 

    Act 2:36  "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 


    Heb 12:18  For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 
    Heb 12:19  and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 
    Heb 12:20  (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW." 
    Heb 12:21  And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.") 


    Heb 12:22  But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 
    Heb 12:23  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
    Heb 12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. 

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