Prophetic practice thread

Jim--vincint dont twist scripture the scripture you show is saying that what we read in scripture was inspired by God through man by the Holy Spirit that it wasnt one mans interpetation of Gods thoughts.
The Holy Spirit continues to spek through man if thats not the case why are we chrismatic

I realize this is not a debate thread, and so I will not continuously bring this up, but this post did catch my attention. With all due respect, I would like to ask some questions . I hope you don't mind that I snipped out some bits to make the post smaller .

Oscarr said:

Don't worry about whether it is going to be accurate or not. Give your word, vision, or scripture in faith, and believe that the Holy Spirit will apply it according to His will. Some of the most powerful prophetic words have been given when a person has not been sure whether the prompting is from God or not. You don't have to know for sure, all you have to do is to be obedient to what you believe might be prompt from the Holy Spirit and to use your faith to present it.

Oscarr, this statement worries me a bit. I realize you have a strong opinion on the differences on OT and NT prophecy, and if I understand your viewpoints correctly, you do not see that a prophetic person should/would be condemned as the OT prophetic person if he or she makes a mistake in their prophecies. But I would like to ask you, what scripture do you base this on? Personally I do not see how it as a proper way of handeling the prophetic, giving words even though you have not discerned yourself what the source of the word is. The person receiving may have little, or no knowledge of spiritual discernment and may have no clue even that you are to test every single word. Word's that sound good, might be mistaken as Holy Spirit inspired when infact they were birthed from the human spirit. Even if we are in the NT, the Word's of our Father should be handled carefully, as they are holy. Speaking on behalf of the Lord when He has not spoken, is as dangerous and, yes, as sinful as anytime throughout Biblical history. Just as teachers, prophets (or prophetically gifted; I'll just refer to prophet from now on to keep it simple) have a responsibility in the giftings they possess. A prophet should know the value of the Word's carried through them. They should know that a true Word is accompanied by a display of power... as is explained in 1 Corinthians that each of the gifts are manifistations of His devine power on earth. If a word is not accurate, if the word is not adherent to Scripture, then it is not of the Holy Spirit. Ofcoarse there is an amount of faith that must go with the workings of each gift, and uncertainty is always a factor, but a true prophetic Word will contain somesort of inner confirmation. It is not wise to say that anyone who receives a random thought, should just speak out of faith. I don't believe there is any example in the Bible where someone received a Word without knowing on some level that it was from our Father.

Remember, don't give guidance, reveal sin, try to predict the future, or to give words concerning births deaths or marriages. Keeping these rules keeps you out of trouble.


I'm not quiet sure about this either. There have been a number of instances where various people throughout the NT that gave these very sorts of Words. Even Jesus when He was speaking to the Samatarian woman, told her of how she was living with man who was not her husband and that she was married a few times previously. Paul, when he was incarcerated and on a ship to Rome (?), gave a word of wisdom/guidance to spare the lives of those on the ship during a storm. In Acts, Peter revealed sin when he knew that a man and his wife were lying to the Holy Spirit about the amount of money they had received for the selling of their house. The man and his wife died as a result of that. Jesus predicted the future throughout the Gospels, and the apostle John gave a whole account of future times while he was on the Island of Patmos. Prophetic words can contain real facts, future events, and guidance.
Again, if I may ask, on what do you base this on when you give these parameters when operating in the prophetic? Maybe I am misinterpreting that you are saying that it is not wise for starters in the prophetic, to attempt to leap out in some sort of dramatic prophetic ministry... but otherwise... I don't think I agree because NT scripture gives examples where such prophetic utterances were given.


So, be encouraged and launch out into the deep with your faith. Follow the principle of "Reckless Abandonment" with your words. Be prepared to make mistakes. Don't be scared of making them. God will honour your faith.

Just to add, I'm not for stoning anyone if they make a mistake in the prophetic . It happens, to most, if not everyone. Mistakes are made in every single ministry of the Spirit, because we ourselves are not perfect. As Paul said, we will only reach perfection when the end comes. But mistakes should try to be avoided at all costs, because we are not dealing with something as witchcraft, or devination, but with the very Holy Spirit Himself, and we should honor His manifistations as they are holy and pure. Jesus, our advocate in Heaven, will forgive every sin made after we are born-again, but by the power of the Holy Spirit should we try to strive for perfection and not shrug our shoulders at things that could truely cause us to stumble.

He has honoured mine on this forum and I praise and bless Him for it.

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millerrod said:

Jim--vincint dont twist scripture the scripture you show is saying that what we read in scripture was inspired by God through man by the Holy Spirit that it wasnt one mans interpetation of Gods thoughts.
The Holy Spirit continues to spek through man if thats not the case why are we chrismatic

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Wasn't trying to twist it. I didn't mean to do that.

Do you think it might also be the case that


1)all true prophecy is the word of God
2)all scripture is the word of God
3)no scripture is of private interpretation
4)no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation
5)No word of God is of private interpretation
6)Since prophecy is God's word, no prophecy is of private interpretation
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Sorry if that looks like nonsense....I'll try to rephrase it:

I think that prophecy, since it's the word of God, is on the same level as scripture, since it is also the word of God. So, I take the verse to mean that no prophecy is to be of private interpretation. If prophecy could be interpreted privately, I could interpret prophecy to mean anything.

Jim if you said all that real fast you would sound just like an auctionier now the questian is if it will sell or not

millerrod said:

Jim if you said all that real fast you would sound just like an auctionier now the questian is if it will sell or not

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I'm originally from the south....my accent wont let me be an auctionier

knownbeforetime said:

Anything for me?

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I am receiving a word for you sister, will release it tonight when i have more time

Love of our Father

Yekcidmij said:

I'm originally from the south....my accent wont let me be an auctionier

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Jimmie V, I'm praying for you, my initial thought for you is to

Fear not! God is with you where ever He leads you, you are a Joshua!!!!

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Spiritlead, I don't think i should have explain further concerning the word you gave me, tho I understand why you want me to. I will just say again that your word to me was confirmation. I'd also like to assure you that i had no problem whatsoever in the way you delivered the word. I don't think anyone should say that God would not speak through someone (within reason) in a certain way. God can chose whoever He wants and speak however He wants through a person and who are we to judge? I would also like to give my thoughts on people who seek more than one 'word'. Firstly we don't have a clue about what is going on in a persons life so, on that basis, we have no right to judge that person and decide how many times they recieve a word from God. Let God determine that. All we should do is be available to God so that if He choses to speak He has a vessel to speak through.

Well, enough from me.....Keep up the good work, spiritlead.

Stpatterk said:

I am taking you by the hand my child and I am leading you in a path you have not known. Do not be afraid but place your confidence in my word for I will perform it. Even now, I am standing before you that you may step out of all the afflictions the enemy has inflicted upon you.

It is my good pleasure and my perfect will to show you things to come. Did I not promise you that in the last days I would pour forth out of my spirit? Yes, my child, It is your generation that the enemy has tried to destroy with the drug culture and every type of evil activity to prevent you from coming to me.

Today my child, I am placing you under the shadow of my wings that you may call out to those in need of me, those who don't know me. I am placing that call in you as you stretch out your hand and touch me. Come for I will lead you and I will make the crooked paths straight before you.

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Thanks a lot! I've been suffering from an attack of fear. I haven't left my room today. I've got job applications that need to be turned in and I haven't done it yet.

knownbeforetime said:

Thanks a lot! I've been suffering from an attack of fear. I haven't left my room today. I've got job applications that need to be turned in and I haven't done it yet.

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Thank you for your response! You still have more to come for where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty!

Yekcidmij said:

I'm not trying to tick anyone off and I mean no disrespect to anyone. My questions were meant in all seriousness. Why does nobody else ask "is this really God"? I'm not passing judgement, I'm just making observations and asking the questions. Anyone can feel free to jump in and give their opinions, but nobody else ever asks the tough questions. Why don't they? Does everyone read this and just say "praise God"? Why doesn't anyone read this and go "hey wait a second"?

The way your post was typed makes it read as if God Himself is typing. How do I know that was directly from God? Please don't just say it's a mystery of heaven or something. Thomas wanted to see the scars. I want to know how I know this was God speaking.

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I love His promises! Didn't He promise that He'd take the stony heart away and give us a heart of flesh?

Lately, I've been getting flashes of blessings flow through my whole being and they start from the top of my head and go down the back of my spine.

I'm not the type who relies on "feelings" but I don't control them either.

I agree with you though, that we should be able to step back and say, "Whoa, is this from God?" I do that every day and as I do, I refuse to debate with the natural man. I just lead him to the cross and then I just pick up the cross and follow after Him.

I leave the "old man" at the cross and just glory in the presence of the Lord for where He leads me, I know He will be there also!

God bless you and may He cause you to be a blessing wherever you go.

We are so much like the leaves of a tree.
We start out like a little unseen bud and as time goes on the bud begins to open slowly to reveal something coming forth from inside.
The leaf comes out mis shaped all rolled up and it slowly opens and once it becomes opened. It does this for what is its season and then in its later days its real beauty reveals as seen in so many different colors.
And yes the leaf falls from the tree and yet another takes its place in another season.
As christians we are so much as the leaves of the tree , each at a different point of our growth some at the bud stage, some at the point of the bud opening , some at the point of out of the bud yet rolled up, some at the point of the green leaf and some at the point of maturity in their final growth. But yet one thing remains the same and that one thing that binds us as one is the fact we are all from one tree and that tree is Christ and the fruit of the tree is Love and Love is what is needed. Peace and Love !! Rod

I would like to propose that the fear of being wrong has taken as much a toll on this thread as the expression of exaggerated doubts has. Practicing anything necessarily includes the possibility of failing. Without allowing for that possiblity it becomes performance, and no progress can be made. Neither the gift of prophecy, nor the discerning of spirits tolerate ego very well. Of course having said that, it is only fair that I place myself in that position, and to that end I will seek after a word to post here myself.

I would love a prophetic word, if anyone receives one for me from the Lord.

Blessings,

Pam

I have nearly lost faith in those who give prophecy. Nearly, that is, just nearly, there are a few I still trust... But then again, I can't be sure about my own thoughts and feelings.

I cannot say that I have ever heard a word that I felt was real. Though I always say, 'Thankyou', and say something to support the idea that it is a real word... I do not truly feel it, I am not truly sure of it. To be honest, I do not want to hurt the faith of others. I lie, basically. "It is real" I say outloud, but inside I do not believe.

Nothing ever "hits" me... Everything seems generic, easy to say. I hear wonderful things, surely, usually wonderful, sometimes bad, but never quite hitting me where I need it to hit. I sense no confirmations, and I find no confirmations. My thirst grows all the more desperate with each prophetic word I receive, and I find no satisfaction anywhere I go. Perhaps I have itching ears, in search of a teacher who would say what I want to hear? Maybe... Or maybe I have never heard anything that has addressed the question I have, that constant question, that overwhelming question that consumes me like fire every single day!!

Really, has there ever been a prophetic word that has not increased my despair? And how many others suffer as I do when they hear wonderful words, only to find later that they were lied to? The best way, I know, is to hear God directly... But then the question... If all these prophets were false, why would I ever hear from God? Is there no one in the world who hears God? How... How can they? So many contradictions... One prophet says one thing, another prophet condemns it... Benny Hinn has his words, people find gold dust on their teeth, everyone claims something... Everyone... What is real?

These are the thoughts that have developed since I was introduced to "prophecy". I came searching for something more, answers to questions that could only be answered by an omniscient and omnipotent God... Yet here I am, after all this time, with that dark pit of despair still growing inside of me! The dark pit, it suspects that there is nothing real, and it wants to be filled up with meaning... But maybe, nothing was real all along, maybe it was all delusion.

My advice... If you do not want to end up like me, seek not after prophets to give you the answers you need. Seek God, and Him alone. My faith, it has disintegrated, I feel like I am dying... So many boundaries in my way to hearing God... And I myself placed them there.

jewel77 said:

Spiritlead, I don't think i should have explain further concerning the word you gave me, tho I understand why you want me to. I will just say again that your word to me was confirmation. I'd also like to assure you that i had no problem whatsoever in the way you delivered the word. I don't think anyone should say that God would not speak through someone (within reason) in a certain way. God can chose whoever He wants and speak however He wants through a person and who are we to judge? I would also like to give my thoughts on people who seek more than one 'word'. Firstly we don't have a clue about what is going on in a persons life so, on that basis, we have no right to judge that person and decide how many times they recieve a word from God. Let God determine that. All we should do is be available to God so that if He choses to speak He has a vessel to speak through.

Well, enough from me.....Keep up the good work, spiritlead.

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You are a Jewel, of a Jewel, Jewel!!!

May the love of God enfold you my sister!!!!

Yekcidmij said:

The word is blasphemy.



And reading the post, it doesn't look as if the poster is actually speaking but rather it reads as if God actually typed the words. Now that someone has claimed to be standing in the place of a prophet, someone has some proving to do otherwise it could be considered blasphemy.

If the intent of the post was to offer encouragement, then the post could have done that without making it look as if God had typed on the keyboard.

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may i say something?

according to I Cor. 14 when someone has the gift of prophecy they speak under the influence of the Holy Spirit. the Holy Spirit speaks only what God is saying. so, of course God himself is not typing on the keyboard, but the person hearing from God will say (or write) what they are hearing.
it is not blasphemy for a person to speak what God is saying through them.
blasphemy would be someone saying that they ARE God, there is NO God, or attributing the works of God to the devil.
i don't see any of that in the post.

blessings
bithiah2

Katana said:

I have nearly lost faith in those who give prophecy. Nearly, that is, just nearly, there are a few I still trust... But then again, I can't be sure about my own thoughts and feelings.

I cannot say that I have ever heard a word that I felt was real. Though I always say, 'Thankyou', and say something to support the idea that it is a real word... I do not truly feel it, I am not truly sure of it. To be honest, I do not want to hurt the faith of others. I lie, basically. "It is real" I say outloud, but inside I do not believe.

Nothing ever "hits" me... Everything seems generic, easy to say. I hear wonderful things, surely, usually wonderful, sometimes bad, but never quite hitting me where I need it to hit. I sense no confirmations, and I find no confirmations. My thirst grows all the more desperate with each prophetic word I receive, and I find no satisfaction anywhere I go. Perhaps I have itching ears, in search of a teacher who would say what I want to hear? Maybe... Or maybe I have never heard anything that has addressed the question I have, that constant question, that overwhelming question that consumes me like fire every single day!!

Really, has there ever been a prophetic word that has not increased my despair? And how many others suffer as I do when they hear wonderful words, only to find later that they were lied to? The best way, I know, is to hear God directly... But then the question... If all these prophets were false, why would I ever hear from God? Is there no one in the world who hears God? How... How can they? So many contradictions... One prophet says one thing, another prophet condemns it... Benny Hinn has his words, people find gold dust on their teeth, everyone claims something... Everyone... What is real?

These are the thoughts that have developed since I was introduced to "prophecy". I came searching for something more, answers to questions that could only be answered by an omniscient and omnipotent God... Yet here I am, after all this time, with that dark pit of despair still growing inside of me! The dark pit, it suspects that there is nothing real, and it wants to be filled up with meaning... But maybe, nothing was real all along, maybe it was all delusion.

My advice... If you do not want to end up like me, seek not after prophets to give you the answers you need. Seek God, and Him alone. My faith, it has disintegrated, I feel like I am dying... So many boundaries in my way to hearing God... And I myself placed them there.

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i just wanted to encourage you and to say that i have been in your place, feeling that i could not trust anyone who said that they had a "word" from the Lord...because of some things that happened to me a long time ago that i am just now understanding. much of it was because i had not learned how to hear from God for myself, and i was not really living according to God's word as i could have, consistently. BUT it does not mean that God does not use people to speak words that are from Him.
i will say, that a true word from the Lord will not bring despair, it will not carry darkness, confusion, doubt, grief, delusion, death, or anything that is contrary to the Bible. a true word from God always brings light! light to your situation, good or bad. light because the entrance of God's word brings light. God is light, and there is no darkness in Him at all. (Ps 119:130; I John 1:5) God can send somebody to correct if He wants to, but it will be done in the spirit of love, and there is always a solution (look all through the Old Testament) and a way out of the problem. God is Love!
true prophecy does not contradict itself, because there is only One God, one Holy Spirit who is speaking through those who prophesy. ( I Cor. 12, Eph. 4:5) God is not the author of confusion, but of peace!

i believe that it is a mistake to seek a man or a woman in this day, looking for a word without going to God first. that is when we end up following people who will lead us down the wrong path to despair and dark places. as far as gold dust and gold teeth, i don't see that in the Bible, so i leave that for those who believe in it.
i believe that God wants you to really talk to Him about how you feel, and to pour your heart out to Him. the Word says that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, and if you come to Him, he will not run you away. that is the truth. (Heb. 11:5, John 6:37)

may i offer a prayer? that is what i do.

Lord Jesus look on Katana, you know and see the despair and discouragement that is in his heart, you know the depth of the pain in his soul. Lord we thank you that you came first, to give him life, and that more abundantly, according to your Word. we ask right now that you would strengthen him in his inner man to know your voice, give him the comfort that only you can give, in a way that only you can give it. give him a hunger and a thirst to read your word, and to get to know you through its pages. we ask that you would step into his life in such a way that the word becomes alive in his life, and that you would speak to him while he reads, until he is so aquainted with your voice that he would know it with clear distinction.
God you said that you sent your word, and healed them, and delivered them from all of thier destructions, not some of them, so we thank you for deliverance from darkness, from pain, from unbelief, from wavering, confusion, deception, depression and despair, we ask that you would release the oil of joy, the overflowing blessings of your spirit, and the garment of praise. let him shake the dust of the past from his feet and walk on to greater places in you, because you intend for him to be seated with You in the heavenly places, with the enemy under his feet. we thank you for increasing his faith as he hears your word, we thank you for new beginnings, we thank you for restoring the joy of his salvation because his faith will be in the power of God, and not in the works of man. we thank you and we praise you for all of your blessings and all of your works in his life. we thank you that goodness and mercy will follow him, all the days of his life, and that he will remain in your house forever,
In Your Name we pray,
Amen
and

if you go to www.warriorscave.com/guidelines.pdf (go to warriorscave.com) and click on the link, it has some good points there.
i usually don't pay attention to links in the forum, but i was led to that one.
blessings
bithiah2

I will show you how I do my heart surgeries My love. It is with precision as My word is sharper than a double edged sword. When I speak to My children, My word goes into the deepest recessess of their being.

The spirit of man is precious to Me as this is where I deposit My oil. For this reason there is that need for the seperation of soul and spirit. When this begins to occur, the soul will cry out for mercy because it knows that once the seperation has occured, it will finds its place as a servant.

For this reason, it is necessary for My children to pick their cross each day and follow after me. The soul must die that the spirit may live. When I use My children, it is their spirit that communes with Me. Remember I told you that the Father seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth?

My word is truth and as I pour forth out of My spirit, the spirit man gains or profits from it because it will not return to Me void but accomplish the very thing I have desired of it. You My child I have prepared that I may use you as I will that the body may be edified and built up to a mature man. Will you take your gift and use it for My glory? Yes, you will because I designed you to operate in My will.

Heartland said:

I would like to propose that the fear of being wrong has taken as much a toll on this thread as the expression of exaggerated doubts has. Practicing anything necessarily includes the possibility of failing. Without allowing for that possiblity it becomes performance, and no progress can be made. Neither the gift of prophecy, nor the discerning of spirits tolerate ego very well. Of course having said that, it is only fair that I place myself in that position, and to that end I will seek after a word to post here myself.

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