PROOFS OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD

[joinfree]

No.

The bird. Son of a bird is the bird. How can there be Son of God Father without the God Father? It can't be.

 

[Kiwi Christian]

The bird. Son of a bird is the bird. How can there be Son of God Father without the God Father? It can't be.

Ok. God bless you.

 

[joinfree]

Ok. God bless you.

Wait, dear friend. Please answer why are you calling the proofs as the "arguments"?

 

[joinfree]

PROOFS OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD

The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God, but simply declares His existence as a settled fact. The Bible commences: “In the beginning God...” Genesis 1:1.

Belief in God’s existence is fundamental to life; otherwise man is not accountable to anybody. Belief in God’s existence is a pre-requisite to being saved by faith in Christ.

“He that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” Hebrews 11:6. “The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God”. Psalm 53:1.

Consider these proofs or arguments for God’s existence:

1. CAUSE AND EFFECT (Cosmological)

Every effect has a cause. The cause is greater than the effect.

“For every house is built by some man; but he that built all things is God”. Hebrews 3:4. The world and the universe are here. This raises the question: “How did it all come into existence?” We know of nothing in this world that has no cause. Thus we must recognise that there is a cause behind this world and the universe.
If the pieces of a watch were shaken up in a can forever, they would never produce a working watch by accident. The fact of a watch’s existence demands that there was a watchmaker who made the watch. Hence there must be an intelligent First Cause (God).

2. DESIGN PROVES THE EXISTENCE OF A DESIGNER (Teleological)

Not only does the world and universe exist (with a cause), but it also has a perfect design and purpose. Everything has a purpose. For example, every part of your body has a useful purpose.

Order and useful arrangement imply that the Cause has intelligence and purpose. The intelligence, purpose and harmony in the universe prove the existence of a master architect. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork”. Psalm 19:1.

God’s purpose, design, harmony and intelligence is seen in:

1. The earth is the right distance from the sun to provide a life-sustaining climate on earth.
2. The moon is the right distance from earth to provide tides at a proper level.
3. Without a moon, we would have no light at night.
4. Every plant, animal and bacteria has a useful purpose.
5. Every part of your body is in the right place (eg: eyes, nose, ears), is the right size and shape (eg: thumb, fingers), and works perfectly to achieve a useful purpose.
6. Flowers are colourful. Trees provide oxygen, shade, and timber for building and heating, they prevent soil erosion, and they support many life forms.

7. How can these be explained? A benevolent Designer has given us all of these blessings because He loves and cares for us. Do you love and care for Him?

8. The human body functions so perfectly in every way.

9. “I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made”. Psalm 139:14.

3. The UNIQUENESS and INTELLIGENCE OF MAN (Anthropological)

Man is vastly superior to animals, because of his intelligence, his engineering skill, his moral awareness and his awareness of God and eternity.
“So God created man in his own image”. Genesis 1:27.

4. MAN’S UNIVERSAL INTUITIVE BELIEF IN GOD (Ontological)

Man everywhere is born with an intuitive belief in God. This manifests itself in a desire to worship God. If man does not find the true God, he worships a God of his own making. Belief in God is intuitive. It is not the result of cultural conditioning.

5. THE MORAL ARGUMENT (Conscience)

Man everywhere has a moral awareness of right and wrong. He feels responsible to do what is right, and to avoid what is wrong.

Question: Where did this sense of moral justice come from?

If man is only a bunch of chemicals, why does he have a sense of moral obligation? Do chemicals have morality?

Answer: The Bible states that moral awareness is God given. Such innate moral standards cannot be due to evolution from unintelligent matter. Romans 2:14,15 states that Gentiles who don’t know the 10 Commandments have an inner, moral witness placed there by God. When a man violates his conscience he feels guilt and a fear of punishment. Man’s moral awareness can be traced back to the moral values of his Creator. Man’s conscience witnesses to the existence of a supreme Law-Giver and Judge who built this sense of right and wrong into man.

6. THE BIOLOGICAL ARGUMENT

Only life can produce life. The theory of spontaneous generation of life has been proven false by science. (Louis Pasteur 1870). Unintelligent matter cannot produce intelligent life. The eternal, intelligent life source is God. “For with thee is the fountain of life”. Psalm 36:9.

7. THE HISTORICAL ARGUMENT

Human history points to the unseen Hand of God. God controls, guides and governs the affairs of nations. Examples of God intervening in history are:
i) When Hitler and Napoleon invaded Russia, winter came early, and was so severe that it led to their defeat. Job 38:22,23.
ii) When Hitler had crippled England’s airforce, he could have easily invaded and conquered Britain. But he delayed and was distracted to bombing English cities. He lost his moment of opportunity due to the prayer answering God.

iii) When the Spanish Armada set out to invade England in 1588 with 130 ships, God sent a devastating storm which was timed perfectly to destroy most of the ships. God spared England for Protestantism, publishing of the King James Bible in 1611, and sending gospel preaching missionaries all over the world.
iv) The allies and the United States developed the atomic bomb before Hitler in World War II.
v) Roman peace had removed pirates from the seas allowing Paul and early missionaries to plant churches all over the world.
vi) In 1453 the Moslems captured Constantinople. Just before it fell, all the precious New Testament manuscripts had been taken to Europe where printing had just been invented in 1440 by Gutenberg. Hence God preserved the New Testament manuscripts from Islamic destruction, and to be printed 10 years after printing was invented.
vii) La Perouse was a French explorer who sailed into Botany Bay only 6 days after Arthur Phillip arrived there with the First Fleet.God wanted England to colonise Australia rather than France.

viii) Men blasphemed God in 1912 by saying that “Not even God could sink the Titanic ocean liner.” God judged their sin by sinking the Titanic on its maiden voyage from England to New York on April 15, 1912 when it struck an iceberg.

8. THE CHRISTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT

We cannot explain the Christ of history without the existence of God. Christ’s life is affirmed by the Bible and by secular literature. Christ’s virgin birth, sinless life, miracles, teachings, prophecies fulfilled at His death, His bodily resurrection and ascension can only be explained by God’s existence. “Never man spake like this man”. John 7:46.
How Christ transforms lives for good, and continues to answer prayers is proof of God’s existence. Millions of Christians world wide know Christ as God personally.

9. THE BIBLICAL ARGUMENT

Man could not have authored the Bible. We know that the Bible is authored by God because it foretells the future with 100% accuracy every time. No other book in the world has 100% fulfilled prophecy. This shows that it comes from the mind of God. Man would not write a book about how his God whom he loves and worships gets crucified. Man would teach that we get to God by our good works. The Bible is accurate from Science, Archaeology, Prophecy, Unity and Morality.

10. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE KNOW GOD PERSONALLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST

Jesus Christ has answered millions of people’s prayers and transformed millions of lives from misery, sin and despair to love, joy, peace, hope and victory. Do not be like the fool who says that there is no God. Receive Jesus Christ as your God and Saviour from sin today. Then you too will know God personally.

There are God proofs, but in debates we call them "arguments". So, we are inviting unbelievers to argue (the word "argue" is like the "argu-ment"). Let the opposer-s call our proofs the "arguments". Do you say in school: "the argument of Pythagorean theorem is following...."?!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If a cat evolved into a dog it would disprove the theory of evolution no matter how many generations it took.

Unless the idea is that a cat could evolve into a dog-like animal, which is possible (though unlikely); evolution to fit a dog-like ecological role and niche through convergent evolution, as in the Thylacine.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... you are saying that we can prove evolution and its not just a theory? show me what you mean by that.

In science, what is generally called a theory in common parlance is called a hypothesis. The scientific meaning of 'theory' is different - see Not 'Just a Theory'.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Funny how they tag abiogenesis as natural when they can't observe it happening in nature nor force nature into making it happen in a lab.

If you take a scientific approach, you can only look for naturalistic explanations; if you can't find such an explanation, the phenomena remain unexplained.

In the case of abiogenesis, we don't know the exact conditions that would have given rise to life, and organic chemistry is extremely complex, so it's a particularly difficult field. But we're learning new things all the time - new potential environments such as deep hot smokers, and whole new areas of chemistry such as clay surface/interface organic chemistry. And a lot of progress has been made - self assembling vesicles that grow and divide, nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids, metabolic pathways, protein folding, RNA precursors, etc., etc.

The implication that if something can't be observed today or reproduced in the lab today it didn't happen, is absurd. Good science takes time and patience.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Funny how they are so keen in detecting design in any other thing they deem unrelated to a creator.

For example?

 

[DogmaHunter]

People do strange things when career, prestige and especially money are involved.

Newsflash: big carreers, perstige and especially money, doesn't go to the "grey mouse" scientists who does not original research and merely just confirms the consensus and upholds the status quo.

Instead, in science, career, prestige, prizes, money and immortality through name is reserved for those people who prove all their collegues to be wrong and/or who succeed in explaining what nobody before them could.

This is why we all know who Darwin, Einstein, Newton, Farraday, Hubble, Feynman, Hawkings, etc are and why probably NONE of you know who Vanderborght is.

(Vanderborght is a friend of mine and an active scientist who does research and publishes papers, but who hasn't done anything ground breaking nore original [yet]).

Now, if Vanderborght would prove later today that Evolution theory is inadequate and/or that ID is actually correct.... Then tomorrow ALL OF YOU will know who he is.
Not to mention that a couple weeks from now, he'ld be rewarded a nobel prize and most likely, he'ld be able to move out of his mother's house and into a nice villa while also selling his Opel Astra and buy a nice Range Rover or Tesla instead.

Also: whenever one has to appeal to some kind of grand conspiracy among millions of people, all kinds of alarm bells go off.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Funny how they tag abiogenesis as natural when they can't observe it happening in nature nor force nature into making it happen in a lab.

The hypothesis describes a natural process. Nobody is saying that the hypothesis is correct.
It seems dishonest to suggest otherwise.

Science looks for natural causes for natural phenomena. It's what it does.
And not because of some bias, but because it is the only thing it CAN do.

If there were ways to investigate non-natural phenomena, it would do it...

But as many threads here confirm - no such methods exist.

In fact, it is so bad that it's even impossible to confirm that non-natural events even happen in the first place!

 

[AV1611VET]

If there were ways to investigate non-natural phenomena, it would do it...

But as many threads here confirm - no such methods exist.

In fact, it is so bad that it's even impossible to confirm that non-natural events even happen in the first place!

Science is myopic.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, and if the electromagnetic field contributes to the quantum foam, then there's a (limited) sense that's true - but as massless particles, photons must travel at c, just as particles with mass cannot.

The gist was really that you need to ask a quantum physicist to get chapter and verse

I appreciate the effort.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, and if the electromagnetic field contributes to the quantum foam, then there's a (limited) sense that's true - but as massless particles, photons must travel at c, just as particles with mass cannot.

The gist was really that you need to ask a quantum physicist to get chapter and verse

I appreciate the effort.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, and if the electromagnetic field contributes to the quantum foam, then there's a (limited) sense that's true - but as massless particles, photons must travel at c, just as particles with mass cannot.

The gist was really that you need to ask a quantum physicist to get chapter and verse

I appreciate the effort.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, and if the electromagnetic field contributes to the quantum foam, then there's a (limited) sense that's true - but as massless particles, photons must travel at c, just as particles with mass cannot.

The gist was really that you need to ask a quantum physicist to get chapter and verse

I appreciate the effort.

 

[xianghua]

In science, what is generally called a theory in common parlance is called a hypothesis. The scientific meaning of 'theory' is different - see Not 'Just a Theory'.

not in this case. in this case evolution is just a belief. you believe that a fish evolved into a human. you cant test it or prove it.

 

[Speedwell]

not in this case. in this case evolution is just a belief. you believe that a fish evolved into a human. you cant test it or prove it.

So how do you think humans came to be? So far you haven't said.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, and if the electromagnetic field contributes to the quantum foam, then there's a (limited) sense that's true - but as massless particles, photons must travel at c, just as particles with mass cannot.

The gist was really that you need to ask a quantum physicist to get chapter and verse

Thanks:

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... you believe that a fish evolved into a human.

Lol, no. A fish cannot evolve into a human. Either your understanding of evolution is negligible, or your expression of it is lamentably sloppy.

 

[AV1611VET]

A fish cannot evolve into a human.

Maybe the BBC hasn't gotten the memo yet?

It may seem strange that humans have evolved from fish, but the evidence can be found not just in fossils but also within our own bodies.

SOURCE

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Maybe the BBC hasn't gotten the memo yet?

It may seem strange that humans have evolved from fish, but the evidence can be found not just in fossils but also within our own bodies.

SOURCE

Note the use of plurals. A fish cannot evolve into a human.