Proof???!!!!!

[gamespotter10]

Homeopathy is trash.

at least we can agree on something

 

[Patashu]

NO. HIV and Cancer can go away without surgery or drugs. You have ZERO solid evidence that they "were cured" by your interventions - all you have is one person who ate some fruity chocolate (or something) and his cancer also went away. Hey, this morning I put slippers on, and after a while I felt slightly ill. Now, did putting slippers on cause me to feel ill? Or was it the result of drinking too much last night?

http://cectic.com/055.html

 

[Chalnoth]

http://cectic.com/055.html

Ah, yes, good ol' Dihidrogen Monoxide. The most deadly substance on Earth.

 

[thaumaturgy]

The point was science cannot prove that before the flood people did not live to be several hundred years old.

Carey, please do us the favor of not using the "slappy head" gif on posts. You haven't shown yourself to be that scientifically savvy that you can act with any real level of condescension.

But in point of fact, you are close to be correct that getting an age on an adult skeleton is not easy. Paleoanthropological Forensics or paleodemography is not my field, but it is interesting to learn more about this.

Aging a skeleton that has not reached skeletal maturity is apparently relatively easier. But aging a skeleton once all the bones fuse is harder and requires more subtlety.

There are a number of techniques for adult skeletons that rely on degeneration of the bones, but those require a significant amount of analysis based on statistics and reference populations.

However, there's a relativel new technique apparently, called TCA (Tooth Cementum Annulation).

A valid age at death estimation is required in historical and also forensic anthropology. Tooth cementum annulation (TCA) is a method for age at death estimation of adult individuals. The method is based on light microscope images taken from tooth-root cross sections. The age is then estimated by manually counting the cementum incremental lines and adding this to the chronological age at the assumed point of tooth eruption. Manual line counting, however, is time consuming, potentially subjective and the number of individual counts is insufficient for statistical evaluations.

A new method for the automated age-at-death evaluation by tooth-cementum annulation (TCA)

CZERMAK Andrea ; CZERMAK Adrian ; ERNST Hartmut ; GRUPE Gisela ;
Anthropologischer Anzeiger (Anthropol. Anz.)
2006, vol. 64, no1, pp. 25-40

(SOURCE)

Recent research indicates that tooth cementum annulations (TCA) may be used more reliably than other morphological or histological traits of the adult skeleton to estimate age. Until now, however, confidence intervals for age estimated by this method have not been available for paleodemographic and forensic applications. The present study addresses this problem. Based on a large known-age sample, age estimates by TCA were conducted in a blind study involving 363 teeth. Tooth root cross-sections were made using a refined preparation technique. Improved digital graphic procedures and enhancement strategies were used to produce digital images with a specially adapted software package. This resulted in high concordance between the TCA age estimates and chronological age. Assessment of the method’s accuracy, as expressed by 95% confidence intervals, showed that error bounds for the age estimates do not exceed 2.5 years. Sex differences, intra-individual correlations and the effects of periodontal disease were studied. None of these indicators had a quantitative effect on the number of TCA bands when the proposed methodological standard was followed. We conclude that the TCA technique is a reliable method for estimating a subject’s age from cementum annulations.

Wittwer-Backofen, Ursula; Gampe, Jutta; Vaupel, James W.

Tooth cementum annulation for age estimation: results from a large known-age validation study​

American Journal of Physical Anthropology​

(SOURCE)

So it seems we are getting better at estimating ages of adult skeletons. This is surely something worth learning more about.

In case you are actually interested in some of the science.

 

[moogoob]

Wrong. As you can see here, the logo has only one serpent. You'll have to adapt your conspiracy theory, methinks.

Correct. The symbol in their logo is the Rod of Asclepius, which has prominence in certain Greek and later Roman myths, and is connected to healing.

Certainly nothing satanic about it.

 

[gamespotter10]

Correct. The symbol in their logo is the Rod of Asclepius, which has prominence in certain Greek and later Roman myths, and is connected to healing.

Certainly nothing satanic about it.

unless you were to say all greek and roman myths were satanic.

 

[Nathan Poe]

unless you were to say all greek and roman myths were satanic.

Don't give him a way out -- you know he's going to respond with some "Anything the didn't come directly from Jesus is Satanic" kind of malarky.

 

[FishFace]

http://cectic.com/055.html

Indeed. One study, apparently, found a link, all the others found no link.

 

[Carey]

Carey, please do us the favor of not using the "slappy head" gif on posts. You haven't shown yourself to be that scientifically savvy that you can act with any real level of condescension.

But in point of fact, you are close to be correct that getting an age on an adult skeleton is not easy. Paleoanthropological Forensics or paleodemography is not my field, but it is interesting to learn more about this.

Aging a skeleton that has not reached skeletal maturity is apparently relatively easier. But aging a skeleton once all the bones fuse is harder and requires more subtlety.

There are a number of techniques for adult skeletons that rely on degeneration of the bones, but those require a significant amount of analysis based on statistics and reference populations.

However, there's a relativel new technique apparently, called TCA (Tooth Cementum Annulation).






So it seems we are getting better at estimating ages of adult skeletons. This is surely something worth learning more about.

In case you are actually interested in some of the science.

Recent research ( indicates ) ( BUT WE ARE NOT CERTAIN>>>LOL )

that tooth cementum annulations TCA

( may ) ( OR MAY NOT >>LOL )be used more reliably

than other morphological or histological traits of the adult skeleton

to ( estimate ) age. ( we can only guess by our assumptions is within as certain age )LOL

Until now, however, confidence intervals for age estimated by this method have not been available for paleodemographic and forensic applications. The present study addresses this problem. Based on a large known-age sample, age estimates by TCA were conducted in a blind study involving 363 teeth. Tooth root cross-sections were made using a

refined preparation ( technique )

( Improved )( But Not Perfected ) digital graphic procedures and enhancement strategies were used to produce digital images with

( a specially adapted software package ) ( created by fallible men with fallible science )

This resulted in high concordance between the TCA age estimates and chronological age. Assessment of the method’s accuracy, as

( expressed by 95% confidence ) LOL

intervals, showed( WE THINK >>LOL )
that error bounds for the age estimates do not exceed 2.5 years. Sex differences, intra-individual correlations and the effects of periodontal disease were studied. None of these indicators had a quantitative effect on the number of TCA bands when
the ( proposed ) methodological standard was followed.

We conclude 9 BY or assumptions and questionable techniques and science )>>>LOL )
that the TCA technique is a reliable method for estimating a subject’s age from cementum annulations.

Wittwer-Backofen, Ursula; Gampe, Jutta; Vaupel, James W.

Tooth cementum annulation for age estimation: results from a large known-age validation study

American Journal of Physical Anthropology NOte the Parentheses ....LOL







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[gamespotter10]

Recent research ( indicates ) ( BUT WE ARE NOT CERTAIN>>>LOL )

that tooth cementum annulations TCA

( may ) ( OR MAY NOT >>LOL )be used more reliably

than other morphological or histological traits of the adult skeleton

to ( estimate ) age. ( we can only guess by our assumptions is within as certain age )LOL

Until now, however, confidence intervals for age estimated by this method have not been available for paleodemographic and forensic applications. The present study addresses this problem. Based on a large known-age sample, age estimates by TCA were conducted in a blind study involving 363 teeth. Tooth root cross-sections were made using a

refined preparation ( technique )

( Improved )( But Not Perfected ) digital graphic procedures and enhancement strategies were used to produce digital images with

( a specially adapted software package ) ( created by fallible men with fallible science )

This resulted in high concordance between the TCA age estimates and chronological age. Assessment of the method’s accuracy, as

( expressed by 95% confidence ) LOL

intervals, showed( WE THINK >>LOL )
that error bounds for the age estimates do not exceed 2.5 years. Sex differences, intra-individual correlations and the effects of periodontal disease were studied. None of these indicators had a quantitative effect on the number of TCA bands when
the ( proposed ) methodological standard was followed.

We conclude 9 BY or assumptions and questionable techniques and science )>>>LOL )
that the TCA technique is a reliable method for estimating a subject’s age from cementum annulations.

Wittwer-Backofen, Ursula; Gampe, Jutta; Vaupel, James W.

Tooth cementum annulation for age estimation: results from a large known-age validation study

American Journal of Physical Anthropology NOte the Parentheses ....LOL







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even if we cant determine with an extremely fine degree of accuracy the ages at which people died, you STILL have to provide proof that people can really live to be hundreds of years old.

 

[Carey]

No problem - science isn't in the business of proving things. But if you give us a pre-flood skeleton, well, we will have pretty damn good evidence of his age.



You forgot modern medicine.



Care to take a guess at how many times their lives were saved by better hygiene practices, vaccinations, antibiotics, surgery and the like?

NEVER >>>LOL


If they are mothers then they would probably have died in childbirth if it weren't for medicine.

OK its a wonder there are sooooo many people still around before Good OLD new medicine...LOL

 

[gamespotter10]

OK its a wonder there are sooooo many people still around before Good OLD new medicine...LOL

what exactly is that supposed to mean?

do you know anyone alive today that lived before the invention of modern medicine, who hasn't used any of it?

 

[Carey]

So those homeopathic nurses are Satanistic? I guess even nurses following biblical practices can go bad, right?

I repeat: are you a troll? I can't believe anyone in their right mind would accuse an organisation of being evil because their logo includes a snake.

Are you an elf ??

It has to do with more than the snake and you know it.

 

[gamespotter10]

Are you an elf ??

It has to do with more than the snake and you know it.

how is the AMA satanic again?

 

[Carey]

what exactly is that supposed to mean?

do you know anyone alive today that lived before the invention of modern medicine, who hasn't used any of it?

Yes virually every Amish personn on earth and millions of people in 3rd world countries are alive and have never used modern medicine.

My Dad was born without modern medicine.

OK , I feel I have done enough here.

Anyone with common sense and want to know the truth
should reread every post on this thread and tehe light should come on.

See my signature....

May God richly bless you all.

Carey

 

[gamespotter10]

Yes virually every Amish personn on earth and millions of people in 3rd world countries are alive and have never used modern medicine.

My Dad was born without modern medicine.

OK , I feel I have done enough here.

Anyone with common sense and want to know the truth
should reread every post on this thread and tehe light should come on.

See my signature....

May God richly bless you all.

Carey

what is the life expectency of amish people who never make use of modern medicine or modern sanitation?

 

[Mumbo]

what is the life expectency of amish people who never make use of modern medicine or modern sanitation?

My understanding is that most Amish do make use of modern sanitation and medicine, and so have a life expectency only a few years below that of the average American.

 

[gamespotter10]

My understanding is that most Amish do make use of modern sanitation and medicine, and so have a life expectency only a few years below that of the average American.

prior to the 1900s, modern sanitation and medicine was NOT available to the masses. but im pretty sure you already knew that

 

[Mumbo]

prior to the 1900s, modern sanitation and medicine was NOT available to the masses. but im pretty sure you already knew that

What's your point?

 

[gamespotter10]

What's your point?

my point is that carey says that humans could have lived to be hundreds of years old thousands of years ago. Im trying to demonstrate that this is impossible as modern sanitation and modern medicine came about only within the last 125 years.