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thaumaturgy
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And the vast majority of atheists don't either. My point being that you claimed that those who have "seen the light" may have a kinder gentler attitude toward others.
I think there is no evidence for this. While some atheists may be rude, some Christians may be rude as well.
Morality is not the sole property of the religious. That was my point.
"True Christians". Good term.
I have noted that religion never kept anyone from doing whatever evil they truly wanted to do and atheism never kept anyone from doing whatever good they truly wanted to do, and vice versa.
We need only look around us to see that people who have "not seen the light" are just as capable of being kind and forebearant as any given Christian. And there are a large number of Christians who are capable of just as human actions as any hardened atheist.
And you are to be lauded for that. That is a good attitude. Indeed there are many atheists out there who feel no one should be called a fool.
But most of us are just people, both religious and non-religious and we all get down and dirty sometimes. We all sling things at each other, even if it is merely as subtle a defensive jab as saying:
Originally Posted by Gary51
But in the mean time, I do not consider you to be a fool, as you consider those that believe in God to be fools.
But I surpose those that have seen the light, have a kinder attitude.
(emphasis added).
And, btw, I don't see anything wrong with defensive jabs! I just don't think a kinder attitude is what is shown by that...just a fully human attitude.
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I had actuallu never heard of this guy
I watched a program with interviews of some many well known phycisists and scientist form many fields. All of whom were Atheist before discovering things . There are so many but I liked the fact that DNA has info . Where did info in DNA come from??They have scientifically proven that the information in DNA could NOT have come from natuarl selection.
Also they have discovered the mathmatic virtual impossibilty of intelligent life elsewhere in our GAL
Thereis sooooo much more its amazing.
So if you do not want to know for a fact there is a creator I suggest you avoid the information available at that site.
There are other sites you should avoid as well but especially that one.
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Part of this is in my signature but I think this will help you understand a Christian.
2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
1 Corinthians 3 : 18Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"[a]; 20and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."[b] 21So then, no more boasting about men!
Job 12 : 2 "Doubtless you are the people,
and wisdom will die with you!
3 But I have a mind as well as you;
I am not inferior to you.
Who does not know all these things?
Jeremiah 9 : 23 This is what the LORD says:
"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,
24 but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows me,
that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,"
declares the LORD.
1 JOhn 5 : 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is trueeven in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Ephesians 1 : 18I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength,
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thaumaturgy
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So if you do not want to know for a fact there is a creator I suggest you avoid the information available at that site.
There are other sites you should avoid as well but especially that one.
What you provided was an advertisement. So as for content I don't usually get my info from advertisements.
As for proof of God, if you are stuck with Lee Stobel as the premier for this sort of thing, then you can just blow off the collected works of the philosophers throughout human history.
I haven't read any Stobel, but I've seen his stuff around. I have read a lot about the history of the Church and religious thought, one of my best friends is a philosophy professor whose specialties include Medieval Church Philosophy, so you can imagine I am unmoved by an advertisement exhorting me to read Stobel.
If you would like to post what in Stobel you've read that impresses you, I suspect you'll find that even those of us who have not read Stobel are quite familiar with teological arguments for the existence of God.
I would like to hear from you what Stobel says that impresses you.
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Carey said:I watched a program with interviews of some many well known phycisists and scientist form many fields. All of whom were Atheist before discovering things . There are so many but I liked the fact that DNA has info . Where did info in DNA come from??They have scientifically proven that the information in DNA could NOT have come from natuarl selection.
Also they have discovered the mathmatic virtual impossibilty of intelligent life elsewhere in our GAL
Thereis sooooo much more its amazing.
So if you do not want to know for a fact there is a creator I suggest you avoid the information available at that site.
There are other sites you should avoid as well but especially that one.
Are you talking about Unlocking the Mystery of Life? Because I've seen that video and I had a completely different reaction than you did. Quite frankly, from what I remember of the video, it was exceedingly thin content-wise.
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Chalnoth
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I find that if people find themselves tempted to resort to quarreling in a debate, it's because they don't have a leg to stand on. I certainly know that most of the time when I get upset in a debate, it's because I have discovered that I'm wrong.ok
see the signature
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The Bellman
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That's the way - run. Post a topic in a debate forum and when people actually debate it, run away. Brilliant.ok
see the signature
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ChordatesLegacy
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Its the same old thing, all waffle and no content. He is also making vast sums of money out of the logically dysfunctional.
His thinking mirrors that of people who had no understanding of the universe. We are here, we are special, we must created by a higher power in her likeness.
Get a grip; if life exists on other lumps of rock orbiting other stars, then in their eyes they will also think this must be created for us, everything is perfect for life AS WE KNOW IT.
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ChordatesLegacy
Senior Member
Ha we are back to this old chestnut.
There is no faith in atheism; it is not the faith of no faith.
After all you along with all other religious people only believe in your own gods and religions. Therefore you are an atheist to all other religions and there are hundreds of them.
So by your logic you must be 99 % atheist and 1 % religious. Why do you not take that last step, or does your mortality frighten you that much?
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Prince Lucianus
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It's kinda weird that most Christian and Muslims on these boards never say..... "I was a Christian because my parents/friends/family were Christians/Muslims".
Most say they found god on their own.
Amazingly, in Christian countries, they find Christ and in Muslim countries they find Muhammed (there are exceptions).
If they all did an honest open search, you would expect different results.
Lucy
Most say they found god on their own.
Amazingly, in Christian countries, they find Christ and in Muslim countries they find Muhammed (there are exceptions).
If they all did an honest open search, you would expect different results.
Lucy
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