Proof the Earth is Flat

[Bible Highlighter]

What is silly about believing in a flat earth, is that flat earthers believe that the moon landing was a hoax.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Flat earth is nonsense, as we can see in this photo that demonstrates the curvature of the Earth:

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Flat earth is nonsense, as we can see in this photo that demonstrates the curvature of the Earth:

Toronto is not on the sea, it is on a lake.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Toronto is not on the sea, it is on a lake.

You cannot be serious.

The words “sea level” means: An average level of the surface of one or more of Earth's bodies of water from which heights such as elevation may be measured.

See level can even be in reference to the ocean.

Is sea level the same all across the ocean?

 

[SeventyOne]

Take a giant round plate of pizza and put cameras on top of it. Then put some glowing stars on the ceiling. Then spin your pizza and collect the footage. You will see the stars spinning in one direction. Now, the only way your flat earth works if you cheat and say that your flat earth continues to the underside of the disc (Which most flat earthers say is the foundations or the rock part of the flat disc).

Ummm, no. If that's how you think flat earth works, you don't understand the concept. You are living with a giant lens of an atmosphere overhead. That means perspective is king in these cases because the lensing effects have to be accounted for. When ignored, like in your example, it misrepresents the model completely and results in faulty conclusions.

If you are ever willing to see exactly why your example falls way short, here is an explanation of what actually appears to be going on. Flat earth has no issues with star rotations, at all. And if you are willing, I'll gladly give you kudos for your intellectual honesty, agreement or not.

 

[SeventyOne]

The Flat Earth model of the sun does not fit the reality of what we see in the real world. Antartica has 24 hours of daylight sometimes. This is not possible on a flat Earth. Their sun model has the sun rotating in a circle around the pizza crust (i.e. their outer edge ice wall). They have no explanation of how there are long periods of daylight in their flat earth model. It simply does not work. If one just visualizes this, it simply does not work.

First, there's no actual proof there is a 24-hour sun in the Antarctic. Second, even if it were proven so, in a flat earth model under the dome, the phenomenon known as 'coffee cup caustic' would easily provide periods of a 24-hour sun. So, yes, it would work in a flat earth model just fine.

 

[Radagast]

First, there's no actual proof there is a 24-hour sun in the Antarctic.

Summer day length gets longer and longer as you move south from the equator, until it's 24 hours in Antarctica.

There is video proof all over the Internet, and plenty of people, including tourists, have experienced the 24-hour Antarctic sun.

So, yes, it would work in a flat earth model just fine.

No, it really doesn't.

This is what you need to explain: this is the area of summer sunlight on a flat earth model. It just doesn't work.

 

[Radagast]

Toronto is not on the sea, it is on a lake.

The salinity of the water does not affect the curve.

 

[Radagast]

Flat earth has no issues with star rotations, at all.

Flat earth simply cannot explain Southern Hemisphere star rotations. Not the direction of apparent rotation, not the selection of stars that are visible, and not the Southern Celestial Pole.

 

[JacksBratt]

Note: I updated my previous post to you to include a spinning beach ball with cameras on the top and bottom sides of the ball with glowing stars on the ceiling and glowing stars on the floor.

There you are.. Looking North... to the ones on the ceiling... Looking South to the ones on the floor..


Good day..God Bless.

 

[Radagast]

There you are.. Looking North... to the ones on the ceiling... Looking South to the ones on the floor..

Exactly. And what we see corresponds to that spinning beach ball, and not to the "flat earth."

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There you are.. Looking North... to the ones on the ceiling... Looking South to the ones on the floor..


Good day..God Bless.

Call North and South whatever you like, but we know that when we are in the farthest region of the planet where we can see stars spinning one direction, and then when we are on the other opposite farthest region, we see the stars spinning in the other direction. This only works on a globe and not a flat disc. On a flat disc, you would alway see the stars spinning in one direction only when you look up. Again, take some cameras and put them on a flat disc and examine the footage. Then take a ball and place cameras on top and then on the bottom of the ball and spin it and check the footage. Things will appear to spin in a different direction on the bottom of the ball vs. the top of it. Pure observation.

Try spinning to your right and look up. Then try spinning in the same direction again, and then look down. You will notice that your spin is the opposite between looking up vs. looking down. One will be clockwise and the other will be counter clockwise. This simulates cameras being on top of a ball vs. cameras on the bottom of a ball while it spins. The cameras are like little tiny people looking up out to the sky.

I mean, how can you not really get this?!
It's simple. Basic observation that the Earth is a sphere and not a flat disc.

 

[JacksBratt]

Exactly. And what we see corresponds to that spinning beach ball, and not to the "flat earth."

On any object... it is the same.

Looking south on a ball.. is looking down
Looking south on a flat disk is still looking the opposite direction as looking north on a disk...

The earth is not a "Rubik's" Cube where parts move in different directions...

 

[Radagast]

Looking south on a ball.. is looking down
Looking south on a flat disk is still looking the opposite direction as looking north on a disk...

You really can't visualise your own model, can you?

On a flat earth, both Australia and the US are looking up at Polaris. Stars would appear to rotate in the same direction.

On a globe earth, the US is looking up at Polaris and Australia is looking in the opposite direction at the South Celestial Pole. Stars would appear to rotate in opposite directions, because Australians are "upside down."

Observation confirms the second of those two options.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

It is funny to see the globalist round earth people trip all over themselves by using pizza and flashlight examples to try and disprove the proven flat earth. Of course you will be able to use a pizza on your kitchen floor and a flashlight on a string to show the merits and superior (false) logic of a so called round earth because you are in your home and using such a small scale that anything looks feasible but it only works if you live on the island of peperoni. To use a pizza model, a pizza thousands of kilometers in diameter would have to be made. If such a pizza were created, it would prove the flat earth is the correct and Biblical truth. Can humans even make such a large pizza? The answer is no, they can’t, but God can and did, and we are on it. And lo and behold, the sun, moon, and stars act like they should. And if somehow the giant pizza is one day made, and placed on the giant flat earth, nothing will change, and the round earth crowd cant admit it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Ummm, no. If that's how you think flat earth works, you don't understand the concept. You are living with a giant lens of an atmosphere overhead. That means perspective is king in these cases because the lensing effects have to be accounted for. When ignored, like in your example, it misrepresents the model completely and results in faulty conclusions.

If you are ever willing to see exactly why your example falls way short, here is an explanation of what actually appears to be going on. Flat earth has no issues with star rotations, at all. And if you are willing, I'll gladly give you kudos for your intellectual honesty, agreement or not.

No. While I did not watch the whole video (because I cannot tolerate watching FE video nonsense), just by quickly glancing at it for a few seconds, the guy in your video is looking out frontwards, and he is not looking upwards ONLY to the sky. We are talking about looking straight UP in different parts of a flat disc. The rotation is not going to change if you are on a flat disc and looking up. Please just take some star glow stickers and place them on the ceiling. Then take a bunch of cameras (pointed UP ONLY at the stars) and put them on a flat disc and then rotate that disc. You will ONLY see stars rotating in one direction no matter where the camera (pointed up) is at on the flat disc. It's pure observation.

But if you were to also put star glow stickers on your floor, and put cameras on the top side and bottom side of a ball, and spin the ball, then collect the footage, you would see that the footage on top spins in one direction, while the footage in the bottom spins in another direction. This is what we observe on our planet. So you are pushing unreality in hiding from the truth.

 

[SeventyOne]

No. While I did not watch the whole video (because I cannot tolerate watching FE video nonsense), just by quickly glancing at it for a few seconds, the guy in your video is looking out frontwards, and he is not looking upwards ONLY to the sky. We are talking about looking straight UP in different parts of a flat disc. The rotation is not going to change if you are on a flat disc and looking up. Please just take some star glow stickers and place them on the ceiling. Then take a bunch of cameras (pointed UP ONLY at the stars) and put them on a flat disc and then rotate that disc. You will ONLY see stars rotating in one direction no matter where the camera (pointed up) is at on the flat disc. It's pure observation.

But if you were to also put star glow stickers on your floor, and put cameras on the top side and bottom side of a ball, and spin the ball, then collect the footage, you would see that the footage on top spins in one direction, while the footage in the bottom spins in another direction. This is what we observe on our planet. So you are pushing unreality in hiding from the truth.

Maybe you should spend a little more time on the vid, because you don't understand the flat earth model concept at all. Your example is completely erroneous and useless. You only think it doesn't work on a flat earth because you don't understand what you are arguing against. The water-filled atmosphere is a huge lens and needs to be treated as such when considering observations. Your 'test' does none of that and isn't helpful in any way as a result.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

First, there's no actual proof there is a 24-hour sun in the Antarctic.

Except for people who are Scientists and travelers who visit there and have posted video footage, etc.; Again, why would they lie? What advantage do they have?

Second, even if it were proven so, in a flat earth model under the dome, the phenomenon known as 'coffee cup caustic' would easily provide periods of a 24-hour sun. So, yes, it would work in a flat earth model just fine.

No, unless you believe there is more than one sun. The flat earth sun is like a spotlight and moves along the outer edge of your ice wall. It would be like if you turned off the lights in your room, and took your smart phone and turned the light on the crust of a pizza you purchased and you did a rotating inspection in a circular motion around the crust. There will be points where the crust of your pizza is not illuminated (Which is supposed to be your version of the Antarctica). But again, that is not what we observe. We can see video footage of Antarctica with 24 hours of daylight.

But even better than that. In Anchorage, Alaska, all days between June 8 and July 5 have 24 hours of daylight or civil twilight. Fairbanks Alaska has more than 70 days with 24 hours of daylight or civil twilight. So this proves a spherical earth. 285,634 people live in Anchorage, Alaska. 30,996 people live in Fairbanks, Alaska. So unless you are suggesting that all these people are lying as a part of some government conspiracy, this disproves a flat earth. For the FE sun cannot hover in one spot for 24 hours and also provide light for the rest of the world because your FE sun is like a little spotlight that is close to the Earth and shines just one point of light on the planet at a time. But if the sun is far away, and the Earth is a sphere, this is not a problem and it explains what we see on our planet. If you believe the people in Alaska are lying and are in on the conspiracy, just travel to these places between June 8th and July 5th. Then BOOM. Your FE worldview will be shattered forever, and you will feel silly that you believed in such FE nonsense.

 

[Radagast]

The water-filled atmosphere is a huge lens and needs to be treated as such when considering observations.

Lenses are not magic. You can't solve the fatal problems of the flat earth theory by saying "lens!, lens!"

because you don't understand the flat earth model concept at all

In fact, strangely enough, it's flatearthers who don't understand the "flat earth" model. That may explain why they are so misguided as to believe it.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. (Amos 9:6 NASB)

It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name. (KJV)

Strong's Hebrew: 92. אֲגֻדָּה (aguddah) -- a band

Are you a KJV trooper of God?

So you believe the Earth has literal physical pillars? If so, what do they look like?

Like some kind of pillars. Perhaps pillars of the community. You decide...
29 Bible verses about Pillars

If you believe in the popular Flat Earth model (with the sun moving like this):

Then this is what it would look like from the ground:

But that is not what we see.

If the sun set on a Flat Earth, it would look like this:

And there would be a period of darkness for the entire world until the sun came back up. But does the entire world experience darkness all at once like this? Is this what we observe? No. The reason why the sun can be seen on another part of the Earth is because it is a sphere.

Think you've got some scaling issues there in the ground view. Sun's not just circling the local church.

It runs its race like a strong man, like St Paul.

Well, this is the first time you said something correctly on this topic. By your very own words, you said, I quote:

“I have it wrong.” ~ Shrewd Manager

You've found me out!

This is just an ad hominem with no real basis in any truth. You don't know my life or walk with the Lord. You know nothing about me to determine my finances and what I do with them. In fact, the idea of being rich repulses me. If I was rich, I would not have any need to work at a job, and I was just live on vacation the rest of my life. But this is not the case. I need to work at a job so that I can buy food, have a shelter, and clothes. I have put away watching secular movies, and worldly entertainment, and my daily goal in life is to serve and follow Christ.

The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. (Ps 19:9-10)

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Rev 3:18)

Personally, I'd love to be rich, like in the good book.

We can see a ship (Which is Conti Lyon that was approximately 16 miles away) below the curvature of the Earth (in the far distance) while we view another large ship in the foreground or in our closer view.



This proves the earth is a sphere and not a flat disc. If you were to zoom in with high powered telescope, you would not be able to see the bottom half of the ship in the far distance (approximately 16 miles away). This again is just one of the many pieces of evidences that makes flat earth just look dumb.

Here is another image.

That's just an optical effect. Demonstrated firstly by the fact the angle on those masts doesn't change lol. Boat's just sliding over the curve remaining upright (shh it's supposed to lean over). Secondly by real point to point experiments that use height and distance calculations against the ball earth curve predictions. Thirdly by optical effects at the vanishing point which make it appear the object is converging with the horizon. And on it goes.

This is how it should be done (take notes):

Kea.

Mauna Kea, the highest peak in Hawaii (the summit of the Big Island), offers incredible views. With nothing but the ocean around it, and a few other nearby islands, you should be able to see extremely far away. The island of Kauai has the seventh highest point in the Hawaiian islands: the peak known as Kawaikini. If you were to draw a straight line from Mauna Kea (elevation: 13,796 ft.) to Kawaikini (elevation: 5226 ft.) it would span a distance of 303 miles.

However, you cannot see one from the other, which you would absolutely be able to do if the Earth were flat. With a curved Earth of its measured radius, the line-of-sight limit for those two elevations caps out at 233 miles. Only with a curved Earth is one invisible from the other, and this is true for any two mountain peaks with clear line-of-sights from one to the other.

The atmosphere is full of moisture and haze, which obscures sight beyond a certain distance (depending on the humidity and similar factors). I've seen some pics of island-to-island views in Hawaii. But take this long distance shot, there's plenty others like it, some 443km to Pic Gaspard.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hSCAgKBm...s/s1600/finestrelles-gaspard-marc-bret-bh.png

You could also check out JTolan Media channel, he's an engineer who's pioneered use of infrared filters to cut through the haze, here's an example: