Proof the Earth is Flat

[coffee4u]

So you take the testimony from satans kingdoms about the moon over the Bible and Gods Statement that God created two great lights.

Want to show in the Bible where 3974. maor is used
meaning not an actual light, but used of an object that reflects light.

You can not even prove from the Bible that the sun, moon and stars are out in an outer space. Again Genesis states these created lights are placed in the raqia to give light on the earth.

Numbers 13, 14 shows a good example of people (Hebrew people) taking a false (lie) report over Gods word and promise. They died in desert and the one who gave the false report did not even live to die in the desert. This also was not a salvation issue.

There is science which arrogantly tosses aside God's word, saying it knows better. This is Satans kingdom, where lies such as evolution come from.

Then there is science that neither looks at nor contradicts God's word.
This type of science would be that which made the technology you are using to write your post on.

If these two things are Biblical teaching there would be supporting verses-which I asked for but which you ignored. So I will ask again for verses where the Bible describes the world as flat and that the moon makes its own light.

I already gave you the Hebrew meaning about the verse in Genesis which you can also look up yourself, it is ambiguous. The moon does give light to the earth, a full moon is enough to walk and see where you are going and I believe even read by if you have good eyes. It appears you believe that the moon must make its own light to be a light source, but that simply isn't true. A light source can be both something that produces light like a torch (flashlight) or it can be reflected, both are light sources.

As to Numbers, there is a lot in there to teach us but I am not sure how that applies to this topic.
20 The Lord replied, “I have forgiven them, as you asked. 21 Nevertheless, as surely as I live and as surely as the glory of the Lord fills the whole earth, 22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times— 23 not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their ancestors. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it.
God plainly told them that not one of them would see the promised land. There was no ambiguity there. There was only one way to take that, it would happen and they could not stop it. God said it and it was so.

"You can not even prove from the Bible that the sun, moon and stars are out in an outer space."
I'm not really sure what you mean by that either. God made them and stretched them out. I don't know how far they went.

 

[coffee4u]

The fundamental fact, my friend, is faith. And if we can't trust God in the small things, like the shape of the world, then how can we truly trust Him in the large, like ultimate salvation? And that applies of course mutatis mutandis. It's very easy to have faith when our proud worldly beliefs aren't challenged, but the world hates Jesus, because he does just that.

So, do you let go of that 'certainty' in the heliocentric cosmos and accept God's word as literal in describing earthly things?

Because when you look into modern cosmology and astrophysics, it's all a house of cards, contrivances and suppositions. So, you have a measure of faith, by the grace of God. Where are you going to place it?

But the issue is that God does not tell us about the shape of the world. There is nothing more to go on then it looks like a circle from a distance. We can know it is not cubed or a pyramid or any other odd shape but apart from that we cannot know from God's word. Anything more apart from 'it looks like a circle from a distance' is your own interpretation of what 'circle' means.

Now if you want to take circle to mean flat is your own deal, but please do not say this somehow affects those of us who trust Jesus for salvation but think otherwise.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

But the issue is that God does not tell us about the shape of the world. There is nothing more to go on then it looks like a circle from a distance. We can know it is not cubed or a pyramid or any other odd shape but apart from that we cannot know from God's word. Anything more apart from 'it looks like a circle from a distance' is your own interpretation of what 'circle' means.

My friend, that is simply obfuscation. The HS almost never 'point blanks' us with information, there's always 'room for faith'. That's why there are so many denominations etc out there, we have more angels per pinhead now than ever before.

I often think of the Galileo line in a letter he wrote to his buddy Rinuccini shortly before he died confessing his sins and recanting in humility.

“The falsity of the Copernican system should not in any way be called into question, above all, not by Catholics, since we have the unshakeable authority of the Sacred Scripture, interpreted
by the most erudite theologians, whose consensus gives us certainty regarding the stability of the Earth, situated in the
center, and the motion of the sun around the Earth. The conjectures employed by Copernicus and his followers in maintaining the contrary thesis are all sufficiently rebutted by
that most solid argument deriving from the omnipotence of God. He is able to bring about in different ways, indeed, in an infinite number of ways, things that, according to our opinion
and observation, appear to happen in one particular way. We should not seek to shorten the hand of God and boldly insist on something beyond the limits of our competence ....”

Wish I could write like that. Anyway, I suggest you have much greater faith than me, if you believe the witness of scripture is against a flat still domed earth and for a globular motile earth in heliocentric quasi-infinite space.

You might want to leaf through these scriptures compiled in support of the Biblical flat earth, by other paupers in faith with time on their hands.

Over 200 Bible scriptures say the earth is FLAT! #FlatEarthDoctrine

 

[Radagast]

I often think of the Galileo line in a letter he wrote to his buddy Rinuccini shortly before he died

A letter you are completely misrepresenting, by quoting only the first part (which is carefully written to satisfy the people who were keeping Galileo under house arrest). In the bulk of the letter, he in fact refutes attacks on heliocentrism.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

A letter you are completely misrepresenting, by quoting only the first part (which is carefully written to satisfy the people who were keeping Galileo under house arrest). In the bulk of the letter, he in fact refutes attacks on heliocentrism.

Feel free to post a link to the full letter.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Come on now. It's a photoshop job to show you that such a thing never happens.

Side Note:

Oh, and before you say it, the other photos are not photoshop jobs. We can observe these things for ourselves. I can imagine if you were skeptical if you lived in a cave all your life, but the fact that you can observe the moon for yourself leaves you without excuse. If you were to simply observe the moon every chance you get, you would no longer be against a spherical earth. For the moon is a sphere and it does not cast any flat disc shadows, or any other odd shapes.

Well of course the moon is a sphere; a person can clearly see that without using fisheye lenses and wacky angles to promote an agenda.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well of course the moon is a sphere; a person can clearly see that without using fisheye lenses and wacky angles to promote an agenda.

But a solar eclipse proves the Earth shape is a sphere, and not a pyramid.

Here are a list of eclipses in the 21st century.

List of solar eclipses in the 21st century - Wikipedia

As for the sad fish eye lens excuse used by flat-earthers:

Here are some posted pics on Quora that did not use a fisheye lens:

Who can show me a valid video or a picture of non-fisheye lens shots of the Earth from space? - Quora

Note: No. Do not just click on the continue reading option, but scroll down in the article page and you will see the pics.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Over 200 Bible scriptures say the earth is FLAT! #FlatEarthDoctrine

First, in the article it promotes the Early Modern English version of the words “flat earth” in 2 Samuel 11:11 in the 1537 Matthew's Bible. While the Matthew's Bible is a Textus Receptus bible, it not the King James Bible. Nobody generally uses the Matthew's Bible today, and neither do they regard it on the same level as the trusted KJV that has been accepted Word of God for hundreds of years in the English speaking world. No attack has ever came against the Matthew's Bible like with the KJV.

Second, the article lists verses that use metaphor, and attempts to make them literal. Inferences are made from these verses to stretch the idea that the Earth is flat, when these verses clearly do not teach that the Earth in its entirety is a flat disc.

Three, this website has a person wearing a T-shirt promoting a flat earth. This looks like another gospel they are promoting. The most important thing to promote is Jesus and not the shape of the Earth. Flat earthers' gospel is a flat earth and not Jesus. Therein lies the problem. For when I go to this website, I know nothing about how to receive Jesus as my Savior easily.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

First, in the article it promotes the Early Modern English version of the words “flat earth” in 2 Samuel 11:11 in the 1537 Matthew's Bible.

Yes, that was a wonderful discovery. William Tyndale (who you might have heard of) was responsible for the translation, much of which was picked up by the KJV committee (they also sprinkled in the Geneva Bible). I suspect it was Tyndale's little dig at the post-Columbus baal earthers. By the time the KJV came around, well the musings of Canon Koppernink had been enthroned, and that translation needed an overhaul.

Second, the article lists verses that use metaphor, and attempts to make them literal. Inferences are made from these verses to stretch the idea that the Earth is flat, when these verses clearly do not teach that the Earth in its entirety is a flat disc.

Ah, but the HS is consistent, he's not in the business of employing imperfect similes and misleading metaphors. Plus the heliocentrists have wasted far too much time trying to make Joshua's long day work in their model. My favorite is probably Job 38:14:

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its hills stand out like the folds of a garment.

Now this is poetic prophecy concerning the renewal of creation, but it clearly adopts imagery of a flat earth, which wouldn't work at all if the world was in fact round. Just let the Bible be what it is, submit to its teachings.

Three, this website has a person wearing a T-shirt promoting a flat earth. This looks like another gospel they are promoting. The most important thing to promote is Jesus and not the shape of the Earth. Flat earthers' gospel is a flat earth and not Jesus. Therein lies the problem. For when I go to this website, I know nothing about how to receive Jesus as my Savior easily.

You'd be surprised by how many ppl are drawn to Christ via flat earth. It's been a real revival last 7 years. So please take care not to blaspheme the HS, who works mightily through this wonderful truth, that can snap ppl out of their mental enslavement to the world and humble them, give them the hunger to return home from the pigsty, with an open and contrite heart.

Sometimes the catch is bigger when the net is cast out the other side of the boat, my friend.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, that was a wonderful discovery. William Tyndale (who you might have heard of) was responsible for the translation, much of which was picked up by the KJV committee (they also sprinkled in the Geneva Bible). I suspect it was Tyndale's little dig at the post-Columbus baal earthers. By the time the KJV came around, well the musings of Canon Koppernink had been enthroned, and that translation needed an overhaul.

No. God's Word has been preserved with the KJV and not the Matthew's Bible.

Yes, but the HS is consistent, he's not in the business of employing imperfect similes and misleading metaphors.

Yes, the Scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit. But that does not mean your interpretation on these verses are true.

Plus the heliocentrists have wasted far too much time trying to make Joshua's long day work in their model.

God has the power to suspend how normal physics work. After all, it is not normal for water to be turned into wine. That was a miracle and it was a suspension of the normal laws of physics of how they naturally operate.

My favorite is probably Job 38:14:

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its hills stand out like the folds of a garment.

Now this is poetic prophecy concerning the renewal of creation, but it clearly adopts imagery of a flat earth, which wouldn't work at all if the world was in fact round. Just let the Bible be what it is, submit to its teachings.

Then you need to also believe Isaiah 66:1 that says that the Earth is like a footstool. Footstool is a small chair. If the Earth was flat, God would be sitting on the ground and he could not treat the Earth like it was a footstool. It really would not be a footstool.

You are also quoting a Modern Translation for Job 38:14 that just so happens to fit your flat earth agenda.

Job 38:14 in the KJV says:
“It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.”

This is in context to:

Job 38:13 that says:
“That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,...”

Verse 12 talks about the morning, and so the morning takes hold of the ends of the earth. This is metaphor. Job 38:14 continues and says that the ends of the earth is turned (rounded) like a seal placed upon clay. This suggests the curvature of the Earth because God says that the morning takes holds of the ends of the Earth and these are turned (rounded) like a seal. So while we may look at the ends of the Earth from our perspective and see that it looks flat, God is saying that the ends of the Earth are rounded or curved. It does not literally mean the Earth has an end to it where we can fall off of it into outer space.

Isaiah 11:12 talks about the four corners of the Earth. So this would not mean that the Earth is a square.

In Job 38:13-14: The ends of the Earth is turned as clay to the seal.

This does not mean the Earth is a flat disc. It can equally mean that it is a sphere. For if we were to take Isaiah 11:12 too literally, we could think the Earth was a square.

You'd be surprised by how many ppl are drawn to Christ via flat earth. It's been a real revival last 7 years.

Again, the website does not make it easy for me to know Jesus. So they are preaching another gospel. It would be the flat earth gospel.

So please take care not to blaspheme the HS,

A definition of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is to speak bad words against the Spirit and it is not as you say (See: Matthew 12:31-32). The context includes speaking words also against the Son of Man (Jesus). For if things are as you say, then anyone who speaks against a flat Earth or it's ministry would never be forgiven. Is that what you are saying? If so, that sounds like another gospel.

who works mightily through this wonderful truth, that can snap ppl out of their mental enslavement to the world and humble them, give them the hunger to return home from the pigsty, with an open and contrite heart.

Again, you need to create small test models at home with a toy globe Earth and a light and some other toy model planets, and then do the same test with a flat earth toy model and a light and some toy model planets. What you will find by doing such basic tests is the truth that the Earth is round and not flat.

Another problem with your view is that your calling millions of people as liars without any real evidence (either in the Bible or Science).

 

[Radagast]

You'd be surprised by how many ppl are drawn to Christ via flat earth.

No, that is not happening. "Flat-earthism" is in fact a deception that draws people away from Christianity.

Falsehoods are never a tool in the service of God.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No. God's Word has been preserved with the KJV and not the Matthew's Bible.

I suppose if the KJV is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for us. Just one small question, if I may: does the KJV preserve the untranslatable 'aleph-tav' word that occurs up to 7,000 times or more in the Tanakh, and accounts for 2 of the 7 Hebrew words in Gen 1:1? But it's a true translation, right?

God has the power to suspend how normal physics work. After all, it is not normal for water to be turned into wine. That was a miracle and it was a suspension of the normal laws of physics of how they naturally operate.

Yes, and God said 'Sun stand thou still!' He did not command the earth to cease turning.

Then you need to also believe Isaiah 66:1 that says that the Earth is like a footstool. Footstool is a small chair. If the Earth was flat, God would be sitting on the ground and he could not treat the Earth like it was a footstool. It really would not be a footstool.

Yes, a footstool is flat. So you can sit on a chair - in God's case the heavenly throne above - and rest or place your feet on the stool. That metaphor can only work with a flat earth.

Job 38:14 continues and says that the ends of the earth is turned (rounded) like a seal placed upon clay.

Nice try, but the seal may be cylindrical. The imprinted clay is always flat.

Isaiah 11:12 talks about the four corners of the Earth. So this would not mean that the Earth is a square.

It may mean that, or it may be entirely figurative. Again, it can only conceivably work as a metaphor if the image bears some resemblance to the reality.

Again, the website does not make it easy for me to know Jesus. So they are preaching another gospel. It would be the flat earth gospel.

Well I don't think that's all they do. I believe he does preach Christ and him crucified (time permitting lol).

A definition of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is to speak bad words against the Spirit and it is not as you say (See: Matthew 12:31-32). The context includes speaking words also against the Son of Man (Jesus). For if things are as you say, then anyone who speaks against a flat Earth would never be forgiven. Is that what you are saying?

As you know, the import and scope of the 'unforgivable sin' is a source of endless debate on CF and elsewhere. My view is that the job of the HS is to bring in the Kingdom, so denigrating that which brings the fruit (in this case flat earth) is to blaspheme the HS. I'm saying that if FE is good enough for the HS to work through, why would you knock it?

Again, you need to create small test models at home with a globe Earth and a light and other planets, and then do the same test with a flat earth. What you will find by doing such a basic test is the truth that the Earth is round.

Really? You see, there's been years of observation and experiment done by highly diligent and careful folks, many with advanced physics, engineering, optics etc professional skills, and you just think we've all overlooked your simple proof. Oh well, you're just that smart and we're all that dumb. Have it your own way - so rich in faith, reason, knowledge, wisdom.

Another problem with your view is that your calling millions of people as liars without any real evidence (either in the Bible or Science).

Every ballistics guidance system is based on a flat nonrotating earth model. Nobody - from engineers and surveyors designing 1,000 miles of train tracks, to pilots of F-16s, submariners, heavy artillery, radar operators, you name it - nobody's calculations compensate for curvature and rotation. Because in the REAL WORLD it doesn't exist.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No, that is not happening. "Flat-earthism" is in fact a deception that draws people away from Christianity.

Falsehoods are never a tool in the service of God.

Tell that to all those who testify.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I suppose if the KJV is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for us.

You are falsely assuming that I believe the KJV existed during the time of Jesus. The majority of KJV proponents would not agree with that false line of thinking (Especially me).

Just one small question, if I may: does the KJV preserve the untranslatable 'aleph-tav' word that occurs up to 7,000 times or more in the Tanakh, and accounts for 2 of the 7 Hebrew words in Gen 1:1? But it's a true translation, right?

I believe God preserved His Word. This means God's Word essentially says the same thing, but there is some additional nuances of meaning that may be lost in our current preservation of His Word that is not applicable for us today. I believe His Word subtly evolved in regards to fitting the times (But the essential meaning and point is still there).

Yes, and God said 'Sun stand thou still!' He did not command the earth to cease turning.

In Joshua 10:12-14: We have to understand that from our perspective, the sun appears to move in the sky. God commanding the sun to stand still in the sky from our perspective is what happened.

Yes, a footstool is flat. So you can sit on a chair - in God's case the heavenly throne above - and rest or place your feet on the stool. That metaphor can only work with a flat earth.

No. A footstool has legs to it, so that you can step up and reach things in your kitchen, or you can sit upon it to put your shoes on.

Nice try, but the seal may be cylindrical. The imprinted clay is always flat.

Again, the context is talking about how we see the horizon line of the morning in verse 12. The morning takes hold of the horizon line or the edges or ends of the Earth. But they are not really the ends of the Earth because if you travel to what looks like the end of the Earth from your perspective of where the horizon line was where the sun rises or sets, you can then see more land and places (that looked like an end, but it was not). In fact, if the Earth was a flat disc, the whole Earth would experience darkness for a period of time if it slipped below the flat disc (Unless you believe that the people of the Earth also exist in the underside of the disc).

Basic spacial reasoning.

Take a pizza and place it on a table, and get one of your friends to take out their smart phone out and turn the light on the pizza in a dark room. Now, both of you should then kneel down at one side of the table (with the pizza on it). You should both be at the opposite side of each other. Now, look at eye level from the crust as if you were standing on a flat disc type Earth. Ask your friend to take the light on his smartphone (while it is dark in the room) and to drop the light below the table very slowy.

This would similate the sun you see every day when it drops below our horizon line. Imagine the flat earth is the pizza. Did the pizza go entirely dark? If things are as you say, then everyone on the planet would experience darkness. Yet, we know that other people on the planet see daylight when it is dark upon the Earth elswhere. The sun would always be visible in a flat Earth. This is simply not the case. So you do not have basic spacial reasoning skills, or they need to be developed.

Well I don't think that's all they do. I believe he does preach Christ and him crucified (time permitting lol).

Just not openly on every page of the website. There is not even a tab or button on how to get saved on the site that is easy to navigate to. So obviously flat earth is more important than the gospel.

As you know, the import and scope of the 'unforgivable sin' is a source of endless debate on CF and elsewhere. My view is that the job of the HS is to bring in the Kingdom, so denigrating that which brings the fruit (in this case flat earth) is to blaspheme the HS. I'm saying that if FE is good enough for the HS to work through, why would you knock it?

Again, you are not reading Matthew 12:31-32 to get the context of what the definition of blaspheming the Spirit actually is and you are making up your own imagined definition.

Really? You see, there's been years of observation and experiment done by highly diligent and careful folks, many with advanced physics, engineering, optics etc professional skills, and you just think we've all overlooked your simple proof. Oh well, you're just that smart and we're all that dumb. Have it your own way - so rich in faith, reason, knowledge, wisdom.

Again, anyone who believes in a flat Earth does not think correctly in regards to how things work by simple observation or model testing that you can do in your own mind or at home. They are simply believing a lie that the Earth is flat while ignoring the truth that is all around them to see.

Every ballistics guidance system is based on a flat nonrotating earth model. Nobody - from engineers and surveyors designing 1,000 miles of train tracks, to pilots of F-16s, submariners, heavy artillery, radar operators, you name it - nobody's calculations compensate for curvature and rotation. Because in the REAL WORLD it doesn't exist.

Sea travel and air travel would not be accurately done if they did not calculate for the curvature of the Earth.

 

[d taylor]

Genesis 1:16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 God made the two great lights — the larger light to rule the day and the smaller light to rule the night — and the stars.

Genesis 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 And God maketh the two great luminaries, the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small luminary -- and the stars -- for the rule of the night;

Mark 13:24,25 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.


Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Jesus even states that the moon will not give its light.

So like i have been saying a christian believer can either believe the Bibles witness about Gods creation.

Or they accept pagan sciences statements. A perfect example of this is the pagan Greek philosopher Anaxagoras who was the first person who stated the moon reflects the sun light.

No not a believer(Paul etc..) or even Jesus who was born after this greek, ever mentions in the Bible that the moon reflects the suns light. Joseph even compares the sun as male (his father) and the moon female (his mother) which is echoed in the king James Mark 13:24

Always throughout the Bible the moon is stated as giving it own light.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Genesis 1:16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 God made the two great lights — the larger light to rule the day and the smaller light to rule the night — and the stars.

Genesis 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Genesis 1:16 And God maketh the two great luminaries, the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small luminary -- and the stars -- for the rule of the night;

Mark 13:24,25 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.


Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Jesus even states that the moon will not give its light.

So like i have been saying a christian believer can either believe the Bibles witness about Gods creation.

Or they accept pagan sciences statements. A perfect example of this is the pagan Greek philosopher Anaxagoras who was the first person who stated the moon reflects the sun light.

No not a believer(Paul etc..) or even Jesus who was born after this greek, ever mentions in the Bible that the moon reflects the suns light. Joseph even compares the sun as male (his father) and the moon female (his mother) which is echoed in the king James Mark 13:24

Always throughout the Bible the moon is stated as giving it own light.

1 Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Right, the moon acts as a light source in reflecting the light of the sun. The moon does possess light upon its surface. The moon’s light is from the sun.

But if I am understanding you correctly, you actually believe the moon puts off its own light without any help from the sun? If so, then why does the moon look like a shaded sphere? Why does the moon enter into phases whereby it looks like half a moon, etc.?

How can the moon be its own light source (like the sun) if there is a dark side on the moon?

What you propose is just silly. Can you simulate using models what your version of the moon does as a parallel of what we see in the real world involving the moon?

By basic observation, the moon looks like a small dead planet with light hitting it from the sun. Sure, some days it may look like a little light in the sky, but this is not always the case. Obviously the times the light on the moon is more intense it is a result of it being in more of a direct path of the sun so as to reflect such light to us at night.

 

[cow451]

Well of course the moon is a sphere; a person can clearly see that without using fisheye lenses and wacky angles to promote an agenda.

Why am I not surprised to find you here? The moon is a luminary, not a light, in case anyone is keeping score.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why am I not surprised to find you here? The moon is a luminary, not a light, in case anyone is keeping score.

And to see you here as well. A lot can be learned from my Pyramid Earth theory.


Lunacy just isn’t about the moon.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

You are falsely assuming that I believe the KJV existed during the time of Jesus. The majority of KJV proponents would not agree with that false line of thinking (Especially me).

Now you're just being driven by the spirit of adversity. That was a joke.

I believe God preserved His Word. This means God's Word essentially says the same thing, but there is some additional nuances of meaning that may be lost in our current preservation of His Word that is not applicable for us today. I believe His Word subtly evolved in regards to fitting the times (But the essential meaning and point is still there).

The missing 'aleph-tavs' tell a different story. They are the stone the translators rejected. When Jesus says 'I am the alpha and the omega', the modern reader has no real idea of what he's talking about, because his sign - the 'eth' word - has been scraped from every page of the the OT. That's a glaring defect. There are many others, but this isn't the place to discuss them.

In Joshua 10:12-14: We have to understand that from our perspective, the sun appears to move in the sky. God commanding the sun to stand still in the sky from our perspective is what happened.

Just your opinion. And I suggest you'd want good scriptural proof to back it up, seeing as it changes the meaning from white to black.

No. A footstool has legs to it, so that you can step up and reach things in your kitchen, or you can sit upon it to put your shoes on.

Yes, a footstool usually has legs. And this requirement is met by the pillars of the earth, of which there are numerous Biblical references, eg:

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, And He set the world on them. (1 Sam 2:8)

The main purpose of a footstool is to place one's feet when one is seated. The seating position is invariably elevated. I can't believe I'm needing to explain this. Are you ok?

Again, the context is talking about how we see the horizon line of the morning in verse 12. The morning takes hold of the horizon line or the edges or ends of the Earth. But they are not really the ends of the Earth because if you travel to what looks like the end of the Earth from your perspective of where the horizon line was where the sun rises or sets, you can then see more land and places (that looked like an end, but it was not). In fact, if the Earth was a flat disc, the whole Earth would experience darkness for a period of time if it slipped below the flat disc (Unless you believe that the people of the Earth also exist in the underside of the disc).

Basic spacial reasoning.

Take a pizza and place it on a table, and get one of your friends to take out their smart phone out and turn the light on the pizza in a dark room. Now, both of you should then kneel down at one side of the table (with the pizza on it). You should both be at the opposite side of each other. Now, look at eye level from the crust as if you were standing on a flat disc type Earth. Ask your friend to take the light on his smartphone (while it is dark in the room) and to drop the light below the table very slowy.

This would similate the sun you see every day when it drops below our horizon line. Imagine the flat earth is the pizza. Did the pizza go entirely dark? If things are as you say, then everyone on the planet would experience darkness. Yet, we know that other people on the planet see daylight when it is dark upon the Earth elswhere. The sun would always be visible in a flat Earth. This is simply not the case. So you do not have basic spacial reasoning skills, or they need to be developed.

There's no reason a localised spotlight cannot simply throw its light on a certain portion of its subject. You really haven't done much research at all. If you think that experiment even slightly debunks FE, you are richer in faith than I could have ever imagined, albeit sadly misplaced.

Again, you are not reading Matthew 12:31-32 to get the context of what the definition of blaspheming the Spirit actually is and you are making up your own imagined definition.

Ok, you have it right, I have it wrong. Have it your own way, rich man.

Again, anyone who believes in a flat Earth does not think correctly in regards to how things work by simple observation or model testing that you can do in your own mind or at home. They are simply believing a lie that the Earth is flat while ignoring the truth that is all around them to see.

You mean like seeing further than we should? Seeing objects (such as an oil rig) 15km away from a 1 meter height, with the horizon visible BEHIND it. Every time.

Show me the curve. Where is the curve? And yes, on a verifiable view, not some spaceman blowing bubbles in a shark tank with CGI.

Sea travel and air travel would not be accurately done if they did not calculate for the curvature of the Earth.

If that was the case they would also need to compensate for coriolis. Show me where I can get in a helicopter in Melbourne and wait for Perth to come to me. There's no such compensation, beyond maybe some kind of phony 'transform equation' that makes it appear this is happening just in order to save the theory and perpetuate the lie.

 

[Radagast]

Every ballistics guidance system is based on a flat nonrotating earth model. Nobody - from engineers and surveyors designing 1,000 miles of train tracks, to pilots of F-16s, submariners, heavy artillery, radar operators, you name it - nobody's calculations compensate for curvature and rotation. Because in the REAL WORLD it doesn't exist.

Totally 100% false.

For artillery, for example, there is a "reference ellipsoid": https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Publications/MCRP 3-10E.6 Formerly MCWP 3-16.7.pdf?ver=2017-10-18-091219-953 (because even a sphere is not close enough to the actual shape).

Surveying, ballistics, and navigation are all based on the actual shape of the globe. If you used a "flat earth" map, both directions and distances would be wildly wrong.