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Proof that the vaccine isn’t the Mark of the Beast

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Can some one state scripture and evidence that the vaccine isn’t the mark of the beast. If you think it is can you state bellow why.


I got the vaccine a year and a half ago and I didn’t really understand the mark of the beast but knew it was the Devils number on my right arm or forehead. I made sure I got the vaccine on my left arm but I’m now really worried if it is or not.

I don’t understand why anyone would think it is the mark of the beast. I don’t see how it’s relevant to the number 666, we don’t have to renounce Christ to receive it, nor do I see that we must have it to work or buy food, so I don’t see how it could be the mark of the beast. It doesn’t fit the prophecy.
 
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Can some one state scripture and evidence that the vaccine isn’t the mark of the beast. If you think it is can you state bellow why.


I got the vaccine a year and a half ago and I didn’t really understand the mark of the beast but knew it was the Devils number on my right arm or forehead. I made sure I got the vaccine on my left arm but I’m now really worried if it is or not.

It's not really possible to "prove a negative", rather the better way of putting it is: Is there any biblical evidence that any vaccine could be the mark of the beast. And the answer to that question is a resounding no.

There's nothing in the Bible that would suggest the mark of the beast is a vaccination.

More importantly, worry that you might accidentally take the mark of the beast is unhealthy and isn't what God wants for you and your life. He wants you to trust Him and His promises that are yours in Christ which you have received in the Gospel. Trust God's love for you in Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The passage about the mark of the beast in Revelation does not just pop up out of nowhere. It is related to similar topics elsewhere in the Bible. The mark of the beast is in direct opposition to the mark of God. This happened during the time of Ezekiel where there was another passover where the angel of God killed all the false priests who did not have the mark of God on their foreheads.

And the LORD said to him, “Pass through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it. Ez 9:4

And the mark of God will be in operation some time during the last 7 years before the return of Christ

Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” Rev 7:2,3
 
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It's obvious.
Satan loves to gloat so his slaves will want to do the same. Their mark will be highly visible. Our faces are our identity and we use our hands constantly.
If you're going to mark someone these two places are best. The more devout will likely take it on their foreheads and it will be visible. There will be no mistake between us and the enemy.
 
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Yes, in case I understand certain people right, the mark comes with worshiping Satan and seeking him. I see it is not received except along with a person wanting to be and live in Satan's kingdom and depending on him for approval to buy and sell.

So, the mark is not the real problem, then. But the real trouble can be whatever prepares some to receive the mark. And so, it is possible that Satan's kingdom could be trying to fool people into giving their attention to trying to figure out what the mark is . . . in order to keep them distracted from staying attentive and submissive to God.
 
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What you need to understand is that it is far more than just a jab.
I know that people have been trying to figure out exactly what ithe mark is since the scriptures were written. And as technology advances I think we will come closer to finding that answer.
But for now, it behoves us to know more about God and Jesus, and to follow Them, keep our eyes and ears open to Their instructions, and question what doesn't originate from Them.

Not quite. That's where it will be evident, not where it will be seen.
The reason those places were mentioned in the Bible was to mock the devoted original Jews, who wore the word of God on their foreheads, or carried it laced on their hand, so that God's Word would be always before them.
The best defense against being taken unaware, is to always have God and His Word before you.

There is nothing in scripture to suggest that people will be "unaware" that they are taking the mark of the beast. Rather the opposite, people will be quite aware of what they're doing.
 
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Covid 19 is mentioned nowhere in scripture.
Specific things don't have to be listed to exist.
Every sin isn't listed but all fall under at least 7 labels.
We can infer many things with little information. Here, as Satan loves to mock and shove things in His face, the Mark, even if it contains a chip, will likely be a tattoo.
Highly visible. "hand or forehead" and no one will take it by force. The more devout are likely to get it on their forehead.
No, we can't pull 100% direct answer but we can find the most logical conclusion.
 
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Specific things don't have to be listed to exist.
Every sin isn't listed but all fall under at least 7 labels.
We can infer many things with little information. Here, as Satan loves to mock and shove things in His face, the Mark, even if it contains a chip, will likely be a tattoo.
Highly visible. "hand or forehead" and no one will take it by force. The more devout are likely to get it on their forehead.
No, we can't pull 100% direct answer but we can find the most logical conclusion.

Scripture consistently uses the language of marks/seals not to describe literal, visible things on the skin but to speak of something deeper. God tells Israel in Deuteronomy that His Law will be a mark on their forehead and right hand (this is the basis for why the rabbis made teffilin or "phylacteries" and wore them on the forehead and right hand). In Ephesians Paul describes how Christians have been sealed by the Holy Spirit. Even in the Apocalypse itself we read of those who have received God's seal, which seems to be a sharp contrast to the mark that designates loyalty to the Beast.

It seems highly unlikely to me that St. John intended the mark to be literal when the rest of the work is abundantly non-literal (even the Beast himself is described in fantastic language as a monster rising out from the sea).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Scripture consistently uses the language of marks/seals not to describe literal, visible things on the skin but to speak of something deeper. God tells Israel in Deuteronomy that His Law will be a mark on their forehead and right hand (this is the basis for why the rabbis made teffilin or "phylacteries" and wore them on the forehead and right hand). In Ephesians Paul describes how Christians have been sealed by the Holy Spirit. Even in the Apocalypse itself we read of those who have received God's seal, which seems to be a sharp contrast to the mark that designates loyalty to the Beast.

It seems highly unlikely to me that St. John intended the mark to be literal when the rest of the work is abundantly non-literal (even the Beast himself is described in fantastic language as a monster rising out from the sea).

-CryptoLutheran
That is not correct. As I stated in this post, Ezekiel saw physical marks on the foreheads and God enacted another Passover, killing those without the mark. Proof that the vaccine isn’t the Mark of the Beast

And the mark of Cain was a very physical mark. He was so worried about it, he feared for his life.
 
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That is not correct. As I stated in this post, Ezekiel saw physical marks on the foreheads and God enacted another Passover, killing those without the mark. Proof that the vaccine isn’t the Mark of the Beast

And the mark of Cain was a very physical mark. He was so worried about it, he feared for his life.

I'm going to avoid talking about the mark of Cain as that will only get us into a very long and unnecessary tangent. While I can agree that, at least with a cursory look at Ezekiel 9, that a physical mark is mentioned; but this seems to be something akin to what we do as Christians on Ash Wednesday--we physically mark ourselves with repentance as an outward sign of that repentance. That is, those who are repentant were physically marked (probably with ashes as that tends to be the external sign of repentance used throughout the Old Testament).

None of this changes the fact that the Apocalypse isn't a literal book. There's no reason to assume the mark of the Beast is a physical/literal mark anymore than to assume the Beast is a literal beast that comes out of the sea, or that there are four guys on horses, or that that a prostitute literally rides atop a hydra. This is an apocalyptic work, it's in the very name of the text, "The Apocalypse (Revelation) of John", its purpose is to be about Jesus, "the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 1:1). The work is written in the apocalyptic style, and uses the tropes and themes common to Jewish Apocalyptic literature of the 2nd Temple Period. The works isn't meant to be read literally--that hard fact still doesn't change.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm going to avoid talking about the mark of Cain as that will only get us into a very long and unnecessary tangent. While I can agree that, at least with a cursory look at Ezekiel 9, that a physical mark is mentioned; but this seems to be something akin to what we do as Christians on Ash Wednesday--we physically mark ourselves with repentance as an outward sign of that repentance. That is, those who are repentant were physically marked (probably with ashes as that tends to be the external sign of repentance used throughout the Old Testament).

None of this changes the fact that the Apocalypse isn't a literal book. There's no reason to assume the mark of the Beast is a physical/literal mark anymore than to assume the Beast is a literal beast that comes out of the sea, or that there are four guys on horses, or that that a prostitute literally rides atop a hydra. This is an apocalyptic work, it's in the very name of the text, "The Apocalypse (Revelation) of John", its purpose is to be about Jesus, "the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Revelation 1:1). The work is written in the apocalyptic style, and uses the tropes and themes common to Jewish Apocalyptic literature of the 2nd Temple Period. The works isn't meant to be read literally--that hard fact still doesn't change.

-CryptoLutheran
Ok. As with so many threads on this site, people simply deny the plain words of God. I'm done trying to argue with people that don't treat God's word with respect.

It's so funny. You state as a "fact" the Apocalypse isn't a literal book. So when people will choose to accept a mark on their foreheads or right hand, it could really mean that it will be their left pinky toe or both elbows, right? And the text states that not having the mark means that you will be barred from buying or selling. But that's not literal either. It actually could mean that they'll just have a guilty conscience and will have bad dreams. Your view makes God's word just ridiculous.
 
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Ok. As with so many threads on this site, people simply deny the plain words of God. I'm done trying to argue with people that don't treat God's word with respect.

It's so funny. You state as a "fact" the Apocalypse isn't a literal book. So when people will choose to accept a mark on their foreheads or right hand, it could really mean that it will be their left pinky toe or both elbows, right? And the text states that not having the mark means that you will be barred from buying or selling. But that's not literal either. It actually could mean that they'll just have a guilty conscience and will have bad dreams. Your view makes God's word just ridiculous.

I'm going to take the wild guess that when Jesus at the Last Supper took bread and said of it "This is My body" you don't take that literally.

I do. I think that when Jesus says the bread and wine of the Eucharist are His flesh and blood He means it. Why? Because there's no reason to think He meant anything else, and the rest of Scripture backs this up (see 1 Corinthians 10).

But I take a work, written in the apocalyptic style, and which mentions fantastical beasts and monsters and says Jesus has a sword coming out of His mouth and say this isn't supposed to be taken literally and I get accused of "denying the plain words of God".

I'm not even sure how we're supposed to have a serious conversation about Scripture if this is the kind of landscape we are going to inhabit, where plain words of God Incarnate are interpreted to mean whatever we want it to mean, but then take apocalyptic language literally all "Left Behind" style.

The state of the modern Church is a calamity of immense proportions.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm going to take the wild guess that when Jesus at the Last Supper took bread and said of it "This is My body" you don't take that literally.

I do. I think that when Jesus says the bread and wine of the Eucharist are His flesh and blood He means it. Why? Because there's no reason to think He meant anything else, and the rest of Scripture backs this up (see 1 Corinthians 10).

But I take a work, written in the apocalyptic style, and which mentions fantastical beasts and monsters and says Jesus has a sword coming out of His mouth and say this isn't supposed to be taken literally and I get accused of "denying the plain words of God".

I'm not even sure how we're supposed to have a serious conversation about Scripture if this is the kind of landscape we are going to inhabit, where plain words of God Incarnate are interpreted to mean whatever we want it to mean, but then take apocalyptic language literally all "Left Behind" style.

The state of the modern Church is a calamity of immense proportions.

-CryptoLutheran
unfortunately, yes, it's pointless having scholarly discussions with people like yourself who do not understand the purposes of types of language in middle eastern culture.
 
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unfortunately, yes, it's pointless having scholarly discussions with people like yourself who do not understand the purposes of types of language in middle eastern culture.

It was middle eastern culture that produced apocalyptic literature and also confessed the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. So I don't know what you mean by this accusation.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Here's my question: Can a Christian get the mark of the beast by accident, out of ignorance? Perhaps they though it was conspiracy theory nonsence, and did not pay attention or listen because they though those preachers were nuts, they wanted to be more loving and accepting. They did not accept a lot of the extreme views of conspiracy theory teachers, yet the trust God. It's hard to know who to trust, who is right and who is wrong. So Christians who are wary or faith healers and charlatans, perhaps they had a bad experience, I don't blame them for being paranoid against charlatans. I trust God but not so much the people who "work" for him. Forgive me if I find myself skeptical about the 'mark of the beast'.

What if I do avoid something because it is the 'mark of the beast'. and it turns out to be a life-saving vaccine. Then I get sick and die from not having the right medicine. My problem right? The liars would be guilty of murder, have that on their concisience.
 
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Covid 19 is mentioned nowhere in scripture.

Pestilence is

The four horsemen are depicted in the book of Revelation
chapter 6 as the first four of the seven “seals.”

The meaning of the first four of these seals—the four horsemen
is revealed in Matthew 24:3-8, also in Mark 13 and Luke 21.

Widespread disease epidemics and pandemics are symbolized by the
fourth horseman, which rides the pale, or pallid green, horse.

Notice that the “beasts of the earth” will have a part to play
(Revelation 6:8). the phrase “by the beasts of the earth” can
also refer to animal-borne disease that passes on to humans.
 
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Pestilence

The four horsemen are depicted in the book of Revelation
chapter 6 as the first four of the seven “seals.”

The meaning of the first four of these seals—the four horsemen
is revealed in Matthew 24:3-8, also in Mark 13 and Luke 21.

Widespread disease epidemics and pandemics are symbolized by the
fourth horseman, which rides the pale, or pallid green, horse.

Notice that the “beasts of the earth” will have a part to play
(Revelation 6:8). the phrase “by the beasts of the earth” can
also refer to animal-borne disease that passes on to humans.
Thanks for the clarification. My mind wasn't working that day, apparently.
 
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