Proof that the Book of Mormon is a fraud!!!

[Chrono Traveler]

Many people spend so much time trying to disprove others' religions, they dont even have time to follow their own. So what if its right or wrong, if it helps them become better people than its a good thing....Cant we all just love and accept eachother for one second in the day??

 

[CaliforniaKid]

I beg to differ. It does matter if it's right or wrong. If Mormonism is right, then everyone else is doomed to a lesser glory equivalent to damnation. If Mormonism is wrong, then some or all Mormons may be on their way to hell (or to being reincarnated as rats, or to annihilation, or some other religions' equivalents).

 

[XVII]

i believe there is one eternal truth...this life and universe are so vast in detail and full of vast arrays of science that it cannot make sense that there is no reason for it all...but the thing is, normal christians believe in one eternal truth, mormons believe in a different eternal truth...what is it that determines who's right and wrong, how can we know which is right

 

[A New Dawn]

Before everyone goes jumping onto the "no Jews in America" bandwagon, maybe y'all should take a look at this.

http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/Comstone.html
http://www.webcom.com/mhc/archaeology/decalogue-introduction.html

 

[gort]

i believe there is one eternal truth...this life and universe are so vast in detail and full of vast arrays of science that it cannot make sense that there is no reason for it all...but the thing is, normal christians believe in one eternal truth, mormons believe in a different eternal truth...what is it that determines who's right and wrong, how can we know which is right

Only when one understands the Cross. Only then can one find the Truth. Only then.

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[jezusfreak]

I could have told you that the Indians came from asia. I thought that was common knowledge.but where did lamanite and nephi come from?

My opinion is that they came from the devil himself ...placed into the very active imagination of Joseph Smith. It is quite the story that he has written, (the BoM.)

 

[jezusfreak]

Many people spend so much time trying to disprove others' religions, they dont even have time to follow their own. So what if its right or wrong, if it helps them become better people than its a good thing....Cant we all just love and accept eachother for one second in the day??

Becoming better people doesn't get you eternal life...and neither does religion. Trying to show someone that they are believing in a lie and that their souls are headed for eternity in hell...now that my friend is what I call love. Allowing them to go on believing a lie...now, that I call tolerance and tolerance is NOT showing love to anyone. It is about a relationship with Jesus Christ and knowing him for who he is...God....that will show you that you MUST repent and turn from your sins...then you will be saved and have eternal life.

 

[A New Dawn]

My opinion is that they came from the devil himself ...placed into the very active imagination of Joseph Smith. It is quite the story that he has written, (the BoM.)

And it is my opinion that thoughts like these come from the devil himself. God is a god of love, not a god of hate, which this post expresses very vividly.

 

[A New Dawn]

Becoming better people doesn't get you eternal life...and neither does religion. Trying to show someone that they are believing in a lie and that their souls are headed for eternity in hell...now that my friend is what I call love. Allowing them to go on believing a lie...now, that I call tolerance and tolerance is NOT showing love to anyone. It is about a relationship with Jesus Christ and knowing him for who he is...God....that will show you that you MUST repent and turn from your sins...then you will be saved and have eternal life.

No, love and patience is how you should express your belief that someone is following a false belief. Stating that you believe someone is wrong with anger and hate doesn't show that you have a relationship with Christ at all.

When Christ encountered the woman caught in adultery, did he show her, or even her accusers, anger and indifference? Why should you do less?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

And it is my opinion that thoughts like these come from the devil himself. God is a god of love, not a god of hate, which this post expresses very vividly.

God hates lies and He hates perversion of truth.

 

[CaliforniaKid]

Before everyone goes jumping onto the "no Jews in America" bandwagon, maybe y'all should take a look at this.

http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/Comstone.html
http://www.webcom.com/mhc/archaeology/decalogue-introduction.html

Like so many Mormons, you seem to have made the mistake of not realizing that the so-called Decalogue stone is a late-date forgery. Even if it were for real, it (and the so-called "Bat Creek stone," also a forgery) cannot have been a product of Lehi's group of immigrants since the Hebrew script used on both of these stones originated in Judah after 600 B.C. when Lehi's family departed for the New World. The Declaogue is written in Square Hebrew, which developed in Judah post-500 B.C. It's also got some Greek letters mixed in there. The Bat Creek Stone is in a Paleo-Hebrew script that showed up around the time of Christ.

The Decalogue stone was "found" by David Wyrick, who also "found" four other Hebrew inscriptions in Ohio between 1860 and 1867.

-CK

 

[A New Dawn]

God hates lies and He hates perversion of truth.

That does not make Him a God of hate. Maybe if you had read both of my posts and taken them together, you would have understood what I was trying to say, instead of taking one of my posts out of context.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Like so many Mormons, you seem to have made the mistake of not realizing that the so-called Decalogue stone is a late-date forgery. Even if it were for real, it (and the so-called "Bat Creek stone," also a forgery) cannot have been a product of Lehi's group of immigrants since the Hebrew script used on both of these stones originated in Judah after 600 B.C. when Lehi's family departed for the New World. The Declaogue is written in Square Hebrew, which developed in Judah post-500 B.C. It's also got some Greek letters mixed in there. The Bat Creek Stone is in a Paleo-Hebrew script that showed up around the time of Christ.

The Decalogue stone was "found" by David Wyrick, who also "found" four other Hebrew inscriptions in Ohio between 1860 and 1867.

-CK

Sounds like this Wyrick fellow had a "nack" for finding things, too. Did he use a peep stone to find it, or perhaps a divination rod?

 

[A New Dawn]

Like so many Mormons, you seem to have made the mistake of not realizing that the so-called Decalogue stone is a late-date forgery. Even if it were for real, it (and the so-called "Bat Creek stone," also a forgery) cannot have been a product of Lehi's group of immigrants since the Hebrew script used on both of these stones originated in Judah after 600 B.C. when Lehi's family departed for the New World. The Declaogue is written in Square Hebrew, which developed in Judah post-500 B.C. It's also got some Greek letters mixed in there. The Bat Creek Stone is in a Paleo-Hebrew script that showed up around the time of Christ.

The Decalogue stone was "found" by David Wyrick, who also "found" four other Hebrew inscriptions in Ohio between 1860 and 1867.

-CK

You are so totally wrong it is unbelievable.

The stone is not a forgery. It was written in paleo-Hebrew (not square Hebrew), and it was found long before paleo-Hebrew was known as a language. And paleo-Hebrew is the language the Hebrews used before they were taken into bondage in 600 BC. So it is precisely the language that Lehi and his family would have known. It is the square Hebrew that the Jews came out of bondage using.

 

[Mea Culpa]

It does matter, but apparently you don't understand the issues.

Doc

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I am from a little town where the native population by far exceeds the "white" population.

There is no doubt they came from Asia. I mean, even if you LOOK at them, they have characteristics of the Mongols, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

They came by way of a land bridge. It makes perfect sense to me.

As for the Book of Mormon, I mean, it says that Jesus was born in Jerusalem. Doesn't that say something? He was born in Bethleham.

These two simple facts discredit your argument.

This is a website that has a lot of info on Mormonism and other groups.

http://www.waltermartin.com/mormon.html#mormcon

 

[jezusfreak]

And it is my opinion that thoughts like these come from the devil himself. God is a god of love, not a god of hate, which this post expresses very vividly.

Well Jenda, The Bible is what states that these lies come from Satan...that Satan himself appears as an angel of light. So I am wondering if your problem is really with what I said or with the Bible? Yes God IS a God of Love...but he is also a JUST God and he has provided the way, Jesus, and Joseph Smith has created a horrible lie that so many "nice" people have fallen into. I am sorry that my "blunt" "straight forward" way of expressing myself has offended you, but I reassure you that I am not expressing hate towards the LDS people but rather I hold MUCH HATE for Satan and the lies that he had Joseph and all LDS propegate.

 

[jezusfreak]

No, love and patience is how you should express your belief that someone is following a false belief. Stating that you believe someone is wrong with anger and hate doesn't show that you have a relationship with Christ at all.

When Christ encountered the woman caught in adultery, did he show her, or even her accusers, anger and indifference? Why should you do less?

Jenda,

Where you sitting here in my house with me when I typed that post? You must have been for you to be saying that I was typing that in anger. I was actually sitting here with a grin on my face. I would also like to ask you were it is that you get off on judging me and "HOW" I am saying something? I do have a realationship with Christ and I would suggest that you be careful to remove your own plank first. Love is NOT all about tolerance and warm fuzzy feelings. Love is caring and GIVING the truth...and sometimes the truth really hurts.

 

[CaliforniaKid]

You are so totally wrong it is unbelievable.

The stone is not a forgery. It was written in paleo-Hebrew (not square Hebrew), and it was found long before paleo-Hebrew was known as a language. And paleo-Hebrew is the language the Hebrews used before they were taken into bondage in 600 BC. So it is precisely the language that Lehi and his family would have known. It is the square Hebrew that the Jews came out of bondage using.

Sorry, perhaps I should have clarified my meaning a little better. "Paleo-Hebrew" is a term used to describe pretty much all ancient Hebrew scripts. Paleo-Hebrew scripts have evolved significantly over the centuries, and we can usually date an inscription by what KIND of Paleo-Hebrew it uses. Square Hebrew falls under the category of Paleo-Hebrew. So yes, it's true that the Decalogue stone was written in Paleo-Hebrew. But it's also true that it's written in Square Hebrew, and that Square Hebrew post-dates the emigration of Lehi's family to the New World.

The Bat Creek Stone is also written in Paleo-Hebrew, but it's an even later form that originated in Judah between 100 BC and 100 AD.

Have I made myself clearer? Basically, here's the stats:

Decalogue:
Paleo-Hebrew (of the Square variety) dating to about 500 BC Judah, with some Greek letters mixed in

Bat Creek Stone:
Paleo-Hebrew dating to about 100 A.D. Judah

Both inscriptions contain a number of mistakes (like a character predating the other letters by 300 years, an Aramaic rather than Hebrew spelling of "Judah", and more) that make them easily identifiable as forgeries.

For more information check out http://www.ramtops.co.uk/bat1.html

-CK

 

[fatboys]

I am from a little town where the native population by far exceeds the "white" population.

There is no doubt they came from Asia. I mean, even if you LOOK at them, they have characteristics of the Mongols, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

They came by way of a land bridge. It makes perfect sense to me.

As for the Book of Mormon, I mean, it says that Jesus was born in Jerusalem. Doesn't that say something? He was born in Bethleham.

These two simple facts discredit your argument.

This is a website that has a lot of info on Mormonism and other groups.

FB: Mea, did you realize that is a fact that people not only came across the Bering straights, but from ships that came across the water. And as you look at these people think about the mixture that is in them.

I am not sure why anyone would be quoting anything from "Dr." Walter Martin. So lets take the Jerusalem problem. If you had read the Book of Mormon for yourself, and not just got this tidbit from an anit mormon website, you would see that it says that Jesus was born in the "Land" of Jerusalem. Bethleham is a suburb of Jerusalem. This was a phrase that was used to discribe an area that could have included several cities. When I tell people where I am from, if they are not familar with my area, I go to the largest landmark they know, and go from there to explain where I live. Does this make sense?

 

[fatboys]

Well Jenda, The Bible is what states that these lies come from Satan...that Satan himself appears as an angel of light. So I am wondering if your problem is really with what I said or with the Bible? Yes God IS a God of Love...but he is also a JUST God and he has provided the way, Jesus, and Joseph Smith has created a horrible lie that so many "nice" people have fallen into. I am sorry that my "blunt" "straight forward" way of expressing myself has offended you, but I reassure you that I am not expressing hate towards the LDS people but rather I hold MUCH HATE for Satan and the lies that he had Joseph and all LDS propegate.

FB: Because you are limited by not believing in all of the words of God, you would see that not all angels of light are evil spirits. It this was the case then Satan would not try to imitate them for it would be worthless. Because Satan can try to imitate angels of light, he can not be as bright or an exact copy of an angel of light. Now I know you just want to believe that Joseph Smith was visted by Satan as an angel of light. But what would be the reason for Satan to wait until 1820 to appear as an angel of light? Why would others claim that they saw an angel from God to only also be fooled into believing it was from God? Why would God allow this to happen? Why would a living prophet today, who is a good and honest man want to knowingly deceive us? And then there is my own personal witness of being revealed to me. As for what you perceive as lies!!! Tell me how you know that what you believe is more correct than my belief. I want to know how you know what is truth.