Proof that the Book of Mormon is a fraud!!!

[Breetai]

Carolbob, I don't think that you know enough ancient languages to make a conclusion as to what Modern Egyptologists conclude.

What the fudge?

Modern Egyptologists concluded that the "book of Abraham" papyri were not what Joe said they were. They were burial texts. They concluded that Joe was guilty of textual masacism. You don't need to know any ancient languages to be able to read what an Egyptologist concludes!

 

[carolbob]

What the fudge?

Modern Egyptologists concluded that the "book of Abraham" papyri were not what Joe said they were. They were burial texts. They concluded that Joe was guilty of textual masacism. You don't need to know any ancient languages to be able to read what an Egyptologist concludes!

So Fatboys, are you a linguist? There is no point to that argument. Egyptologists have stated that what JS supposedly translated made absolutely no sense.

 

[fatboys]

So Fatboys, are you a linguist? There is no point to that argument.

FB: That hurt.

Egyptologists have stated that what JS supposedly translated made absolutely no sense.

FB: I think there is some confusion here. The Book of Abraham is not the same thing as the facsimilies. Modern Egyptologists could not have any opinion about the Book of Abraham since the papyri Joseph Smith used to translate it from is not known today. It is supposedly burned in the Chicago fire. The facsimilies which are printed in the Pearl of Great Price have been translated by modern Egyptologists. As I have pointed out, Joseph Smith got many parts of the correct. If he was a fraud, why would he put them out there for all to read, knowing that there would be egyptologists that would be able to read them? Gutsy move. He had already sent Martin Harris with copied characters from the Gold plates, that he took to the foremost linguists of his day. So Joseph Smith knew that there were people out there that would be able to read this language.

Also there have been found fragments of papyri which was part of the purchase made by Joseph Smith from Chandler. These are not the facsimilies, nor are they what Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Abraham.

 

[Doc T]

That doesn't effect the fact that American DNA shows Asian descent (yup, it's my new chant).

New problems for those who contend "that American DNA shows Asian descent." This article from the Reuters news service.

Did the first Americans come from Australia?
September 7, 2004

Anthropologists stepped into a hornets' nest yesterday, revealing research that suggests the original inhabitants of the Americas may in fact have come from what is now known as Australia.

The claim will be extremely unwelcome to today's native Americans, who came overland from Siberia and say they were there first.

But Silvia Gonzalez from John Moores University in Liverpool said skeletal evidence pointed strongly to this unpalatable truth and hinted that recovered DNA would corroborate it.

"This is very contentious," Gonzalez, a Mexican, said with a smile at the annual meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science.

"They [native Americans] cannot claim to have been the first people there."

She said there was very strong evidence that the first migration came from Australia via Japan and Polynesia and down the Pacific Coast of America.

Skulls of a people with distinctively long and narrow heads discovered in Mexico and California predated by several thousand years the more rounded features of the skulls of native Americans.

One particularly well-preserved skull of a long-face woman had been carbon dated to 12,700 years ago, whereas the oldest accurately dated native American skull was only about 9000 years old.

"We have extracted her DNA. It is going to be a bomb," she said, declining to give details but adding that the tests carried out so far were being replicated to make sure they were accurate.

She said there were tales from Spanish missionaries of an isolated coastal community of long-face people in Baja California of a completely different race and rituals from other communities in America at the time.

These last survivors were wiped out by diseases imported by the Spanish conquerors, Gonzalez said.

The research is one of 11 different projects in America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East being funded over a four-year period by Britain's Natural Environment Research Council.

The projects, focusing on diet, dating and dispersal of people down the millennia in the face of climate change, aim to rewrite anthropology.

"We want to make headlines from heads," said Professor Clive Gamble of Southampton university. "DNA will give us a completely new map of the world and how we peopled it."

Reuters​

My new mantra "Lack of evidence means nothing more than lack of evidence."

Doc

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[carolbob]

FB: That hurt.



FB: If he was a fraud, why would he put them out there for all to read, knowing that there would be egyptologists that would be able to read them? Gutsy move. He had already sent Martin Harris with copied characters from the Gold plates, that he took to the foremost linguists of his day. So Joseph Smith knew that there were people out there that would be able to read this language.

Also there have been found fragments of papyri which was part of the purchase made by Joseph Smith from Chandler. These are not the facsimilies, nor are they what Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Abraham.

Egyptian was believed to undecipherable in that day. So he knew he could get away with it, that's why JS said they were "reformed Egyptian". The Rosetta Stone grammar was not published until 1837, so JS knew that he could get away with stating the translations were from Reformed Egyptian. What has been found has still not proven anything but more of the same translation of funeral documents.

 

[Doc T]

Egyptian was believed to undecipherable in that day. So he knew he could get away with it, that's why JS said they were "reformed Egyptian". The Rosetta Stone grammar was not published until 1837, so JS knew that he could get away with stating the translations were from Reformed Egyptian. What has been found has still not proven anything but more of the same translation of funeral documents.

Into mind reading these days Carolbob?



Doc

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[Coeptis]

i'll put this into simple words. mormon is RONG. yes i forgot the W.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

those dirty rotten liars want to suck your soul and feed you to the devil. whatever is created by the mormon hand creates the illusion of perfection. the more you believe what they say the stronger they get but the weaker you will get. unless, of course you are of mormon blood (devil blood) then you will become stronger as your people devour more Christians

While I agree that the lds church is a false church, don't you think that your wording is a bit.... dramatic?

 

[Breetai]

Into mind reading these days Carolbob?

Into ignoring valid points Doc?

 

[Doc T]

Into ignoring valid points Doc?

Not when I see some. Do you have any?

Doc

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[Breetai]

Egyptian was believed to undecipherable in that day. So he knew he could get away with it, that's why JS said they were "reformed Egyptian". The Rosetta Stone grammar was not published until 1837, so JS knew that he could get away with stating the translations were from Reformed Egyptian. What has been found has still not proven anything but more of the same translation of funeral documents.

Did the first Americans come from Australia? ...still doesn't prove any of the BoM claims. It does say that not all of the pre-Columbian inhabitants of America were from Asia.

Kon-Tiki anyone?

 

[carolbob]

Why would Hebrews write in Egyptian anyway???

 

[CrownCaster]

Why would Hebrews write in Egyptian anyway???

That is a very good point. The Hebrew people did not exactly like the egyptians too much. I dont think the Jewish people of today would write their records in German.

 

[CaliforniaKid]

Plus the Book of Mormon says it's written in Egyptian to save space, but both hieroglyphics and the later hieratic script are far less compact than Hebrew, especially since Hebrew omits the vowels.

 

[Apex]

Why would Hebrews write in Egyptian anyway???

Here is a quote from a website to answer this.

At the annual meeting of the American Academy of Religion (AAR) and the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL), held Nov. 1997 in San Francisco. Non-LDS scholar Nili S. Fox discussed the development of Egyptian hieratic numerals used in Hebrew texts by Israelites during the ninth through seventh centuries B.C. Fox noted that the Israelite scribes were acquainted with the Egyptian writing system and that there was a longer history of ties between Egypt and both Judah and Israel than previously thought. Hebrews using an Egyptian writing system? The idea is a lot more plausible today that it was in Joseph Smith's time. The anti-Mormon critics who dismiss the possibility ("Jews hated the Egyptians, their former slavemasters, and would never think of using anything from Egyptian culture!") continue to stand on a foundation of sand, and the sand is shifting again.

 

[Apex]

Plus the Book of Mormon says it's written in Egyptian to save space, but both hieroglyphics and the later hieratic script are far less compact than Hebrew, especially since Hebrew omits the vowels.

Where does it say this, please.

 

[Breetai]

Apex, you can't post any website promoting a non-Christian religion here. That does include pro-LDS websites. I'm telling you so you don't end up getting warnings and then getting banned for doing so. Take a look through the forum rules and the 'sticky' topics at the top of Unorthodox theology.

 

[Catholic Evangelist]

The native americans are extremely closely related to the Japanese. Heres just one reason why:

On their rear ends, all Japanese people have a blue mark. Nobody except the Native Americans bear this resemblance.

 

[Breetai]

My mum gave me a blue mark on my rear end once...

 

[gort]

My mum gave me a blue mark on my rear end once...

....just once? lol

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