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I gave you my "evidence".....God created the universe. Refute that statement....I don't think you can.....
You've been on here for years.That looks like a claim, not evidence.
If the prosecutor in court simply says; the defendant committed the crime, it is up to the defense to prove he didn't, doesn't quite get it done.
I accept your defeat. Thank you.I decline. You haven't presented a case to refute.
But we aren't talking about law are we? BTW that was the worst analogy I have yet to see on CF.com.That looks like a claim, not evidence.
If the prosecutor in court simply says; the defendant committed the crime, it is up to the defense to prove he didn't, doesn't quite get it done.
But we aren't talking about law are we? BTW that was the worst analogy I have yet to see on CF.com.
I made my statement, provided my evidence (none) and await someone to show there is enought scientific evidence to exclude God from creating the universe. Shouldn't be that hard.
How much easier can I make it....I have zero evidence to support my position. You should be able to do it at a snap of the fingers....Why would one need to present evidence, to refute a claim that has been presented, with zero evidence to support the claim?
If you really wanted the shape of a camp that could not be snuck up upon, you'd camp in a circle with the outer ring facing outwards. You'd use up a lot less room, and it'd be truly impossible to sneak up on.
I'm sure you've enough tactical smarts to realize that a cross formation is not the way to camp if you are doing it to protect the center. It uses a lot of unnecessary room, and you leave 4 giant corners unprotected that the people in the tents would have to suddenly get up and move to rush to protect the corners.
So no, this wasn't for tactical reasons whatsoever.
It just so happens that it makes an almost perfect cross, and the cross just happens to be God's favorite symbol. But no, let's not actually consider that, because we're going to just toss out evidence on the grounds "there's no proof that's what it was", while marginalizing what it could mean, right?
I know I've mentioned the math behind Daniel 9 before in a thread you participated in, but you waved that off saying that they could have set that upon purpose (even though you're talking about how that would require the cooperation of the Jews and Christians, the former who bitterly persecuted the latter) or something. I'm not sure if that was you who said it, or someone else, though. If you want me to go over that again if you don't remember, I could. I find it a rather fascinating thing, how someone can make a prediction some 500-600 years in advance and it comes down to the very day. lol.
Or how about the fact that the only two verses in the Bible that start with "In the Beginning", you can find pi and E (the mathematical constant) encoded (Genesis 1 for Pi, John 1 for E) to a large number of digits, using the exact same formula in both verses (despite the fact Genesis and John were written by the Jews and Christians respectively)? That's... pretty strange, considering Genesis was written long before Pi came about, and John 1 was written before E was discovered, and if any single letter in those verses would have been different, the whole thing wouldn't work. Not to mention, the math required to figure these out (much less how to encode them like that and still come up with a writing that makes sense!) did not exist during the time the Old Testament was written.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/482/ <---if you want to read up on that.
The chances of this happening unintentionally are... probably more astronomical than you winning the lottery every single day for the rest of your life.
Does that somehow invalidate the fact that He exists, or that the Bible is His word?
And besides, I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where God told anybody to rape anybody. That would be news to me, because in Levitical Law, He forbade adultery which would include rape, and I remember there being laws against taking anyone other than a Jew as a husband/wife.
Now, it is true that the Jews did take wives out of the people they conquered, but, well, the Jews broke lots of laws over all of those years. But God never told them to do that.
Genocide? Yes, God did tell them to wipe out the people in Canaan. He promised that land to the Jews and told them to go in there and possess it. There's been lots of theories and conjectures as to why He might have done that. Regardless of the reason, that doesn't mean that He doesn't exist, nor does it mean the Bible is not His word.
Slavery? There are lots of passages in the Bible that talk about respecting your bondmen (which is basically the same thing as a slave). You're supposed to treat them right, you're supposed to give them their just wage, etc etc. When you say "slave" and talk about God's laws, I think God's view of a "slave" is more like what we have today, with workers. Think about it: are we not all slaves to money IRL today? We sit in a cubicle so we can afford to eat? If you follow the laws in the Bible about bondmen, it starts to sound more like an employer/employee type deal more than it does slavery in the sense of Plantation Slaves during the Civil War.
I made my statement, provided my evidence (none) and await someone to show there is enought scientific evidence to exclude God from creating the universe. Shouldn't be that hard.
How much easier can I make it....I have zero evidence to support my position. You should be able to do it at a snap of the fingers....
- No anecdotes (personal events)
- No long commentaries.
- Use scientific evidence.
- Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
- No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)
Also, archaeologists say something...something unknown to them...made the walls of Jericho fall quite instantaneously...though it couldn't have been by the power of God, oh no, one must not give up the atheist faith too readily. Not only did the walls of Jericho fall just as described in the Bible, but city/nation after city/nation fell according to the evidence they unearth exactly along the path the Bible describes of the Israelites.
Guessing you as an atheist have strong faith...in evolution...and will not break trust with that faith though your atheist-minded scientist of the top tier have debunked that theory??
I, as a Christian, will say conscience proves our God exists...proof in the science realm anyway. Also, archaeologists say something...something unknown to them...made the walls of Jericho fall quite instantaneously...though it couldn't have been by the power of God, oh no, one must not give up the atheist faith too readily. Not only did the walls of Jericho fall just as described in the Bible, but city/nation after city/nation fell according to the evidence they unearth exactly along the path the Bible describes of the Israelites.
Actually, archaeologists say that Jericho had fallen long before Joshua's gang of maniacs arrived. They settled in an abandoned city. They recorded it as a genocidal conquest because that was like bragging back then.
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