Proof that God exists?

[Gadarene]

If I have lied, bear witness of the lie, if not, then why do you falsely accuse me?

Well, let's see - you've claimed we worship science, claimed we worship ourselves, claimed we aren't interested in truth, claimed that we actually know god exists deep down.

Start apologising whenever.

 

[Elioenai26]

And once again we have a quote from the Bible.

You may not be properly understanding what I am asking.

Going just from what you can see for yourself in reality, how would you reach the conclusion that God existed?

Christ lives inside of me Tiberius, this is how I know. The wind blows where it wishes, you hear the sound of it, but you cannot tell where it is coming from, or where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

 

[Danyc]

I present myself, I am at your disposal. Do with me what you will, I desire only your profit, your benefit, your salvation.

Meaningless.

 

[Gadarene]

I present myself, I am at your disposal. Do with me what you will, I desire only your profit, your benefit, your salvation.

Oh, you're at our disposal now, are you? You can apologise for lying for starters.

 

[Elioenai26]

Well, let's see - you've claimed we worship science, claimed we worship ourselves, claimed we aren't interested in truth, claimed that we actually know god exists deep down.

Start apologising whenever.

Wherever your treasure is Gadarene, there your heart will be also.

 

[Gadarene]

Wherever your treasure is Gadarene, there your heart will be also.

That's nice.

All of the listed are still lies.

Or is lying your treasure, Elioenai?

 

[Elioenai26]

That's nice.

All of the listed are still lies.

Or is lying your treasure, Elioenai?

If you put your hope, your faith, your trust in science or yourself, it is that which you worship. It is your god.

A man either worships and reverences God, or himself and other men.

There is no other way Gadarene.

A man can only have one master.

He cannot have two, for he will either love one and hate the other, or he will serve one and despise the other.

A man cannot have two masters. You cannot serve God and yourself.

 

[Gadarene]

If you put your hope, your faith, your trust in science or yourself, it is that which you worship. It is your god.

A man either worships and reverences God, or himself and other men.

There is no other way Gadarene.

A man can only have one master.

He cannot have two, for he will either love one and hate the other, or he will serve one and despise the other.

A man cannot have two masters. You cannot serve God and yourself.

You forget - I know what worshipping god was like. How I feel about either science or myself doesn't even come close.

Ergo, your blathering is falsified. Try again.

 

[Elioenai26]

You forget - I know what worshipping god was like. How I feel about either science or myself doesn't even come close.

Ergo, your blathering is falsified. Try again.

Then I assure you, you were not worshipping Jesus Christ.

 

[Gadarene]

Then I assure you, you were not worshipping Jesus Christ.

No, I assure you, given that you don't know me or my feelings - or much else - I was.

What I feel now about myself, science etc is not comparable, so your accusations of idolatry fail. Deal with it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The point is simply that if you are not willing to see the truth, then no one can show it to you.

Given that you have said you would not be willing to accept a naturalistic explanation, even if the relevant evidence were present, it seems like that would apply equally well to you.

 

[Elioenai26]

No, I assure you, given that you don't know me or my feelings - or much else - I was.

What I feel now about myself, science etc is not comparable, so your accusations of idolatry fail. Deal with it.

He whom the Son sets free is free indeed. I know that you could not have had a personal encounter with the risen Christ and speak the way you are now.

Every human being who has had a personal, intimate, saving encounter with Christ has never walked away from that encounter the same way they were.

Sure, you may have attneded a church, many do..

Sure you may have said a prayer, many do..

Sure you may have sang some songs, many do...

Sure you may have listened to a preacher, many do...

Sure you may have participated in the observance of certain ceremonies, many do..

Sure you may have partaken of communion, many do...

Sure you may have confessed to a priest, many do...


But when one encounters God Himself, all things change. For if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things have passed away, behold, all things have become and do become new.

 

[Elioenai26]

Given that you have said you would not be willing to accept a naturalistic explanation, even if the relevant evidence were present, it seems like that would apply equally well to you.

Since I never said that, I do not see why you insist on saying that I have.

 

[Gadarene]

He whom the Son sets free is free indeed. I know that you could not have had a personal encounter with the risen Christ and speak the way you are now.

Every human being who has had a personal, intimate, saving encounter with Christ has never walked away from that encounter the same way they were.

Sure, you may have attneded a church, many do..

Sure you may have said a prayer, many do..

Sure you may have sang some songs, many do...

Sure you may have listened to a preacher, many do...

Sure you may have participated in the observance of certain ceremonies, many do..

Sure you may have partaken of communion, many do...

Sure you may have confessed to a priest, many do...

But when one encounters God Himself, all things change. For if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things have passed away, behold, all things have become and do become new.

Wrong again. Had plenty of personal experiences. Reevaluated them after a time.

 

[Elioenai26]

Wrong again. Had plenty of personal experiences. Reevaluated them after a time.

I am sure you did, in fact, all of those things that I listed are just some of the personal experiences that one can have and still not experience Him.

 

[Tiberius]

Christ lives inside of me Tiberius, this is how I know.

There are lots of people who would say that Allah lives inside of them.

So tell me, is a person feeling that the deity they worship lives inside them evidence that this deity is real?

The wind blows where it wishes, you hear the sound of it, but you cannot tell where it is coming from, or where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

I actually find it quite easy to determine which way the wind is blowing.

Honestly, what is your point here?

 

[Gadarene]

I am sure you did, in fact, all of those things that I listed are just some of the personal experiences that one can have and still not experience Him.

Yup, except it wasn't only those, had personal experiences of (what I believed to be) Jesus too. Still wrong.

 

[Elioenai26]

There are lots of people who would say that Allah lives inside of them.

So tell me, is a person feeling that the deity they worship lives inside them evidence that this deity is real?

The indwelling presence of God is not an Islamic doctrine. This is unique to Christianity Tiberius.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Since I never said that, I do not see why you insist on saying that I have.

But you did say that. You said that one of the reasons a naturalistic explanation was not acceptable is because the relevant evidence is not there. But when asked whether you would accept it if the relevant evidence were to become available, you said that that you would regard it as a deception. So while you preach to others about their willingness to accept truth, perhaps it is worthwhile to do some introspection.

 

[Tiberius]

I am sure you did, in fact, all of those things that I listed are just some of the personal experiences that one can have and still not experience Him.

I was once a believer. I did all those things and more. I genuinely felt God. But now I do not believe he exists.

Why do you find it so hard to accept that a person can go from genuinely believing in God to being an atheist?