Proof of Creation?

[Kylie]

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Do not believe in what you see. This is the teaching not only in Christianity, but in many other major religions.

So, basically, ignore your senses?

 

[Kylie]

How about creationists who don't try to prove their side scientifically?

ANd how are they supposed to be able to show other people that they are right?

 

[Davian]

Can you see what makes up a tree with your eyeballs?

That is not what I said. I see a collection of molecules that I call "a tree".

And yes, the earth has not moved from where God put it in the beginning. It is still
where it has always been.

Are you saying that the Earth remains fixed and immovable, while the Moon, Sun, and the cosmos rotates around it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Young Earth Creation in particular has so many contradictions with reality that I don't see how it can be considered a viable point of view.

Yup -- as I have stated many times here:

I believe God jumbled the order on purpose to show that Mother Nature had nothing to do with the creation of the universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

ANd how are they supposed to be able to show other people that they are right?

By faith.

 

[Kylie]

By faith.

And how does that work? A faith transplant or something? Or maybe you just hope that they think that if you really really believe it, then it must be true?

 

[crjmurray]

Now you are changing the word. That's trickery.

The earth will be where it is supposed to be until God
changes that. Nothing will move it. Not a black hole,
not a huge meteor strike, not gravity. Nothing will
change it but God.

So hypothetically, if a meteor hit earth in the future and we were moved out of our current orbital path would that be considered God keeping the earth in its original location?

 

[AV1611VET]

And how does that work?

Faith says you're wrong, even if your science says otherwise.

 

[EternalDragon]

So hypothetically, if a meteor hit earth in the future and we were moved out of our current orbital path would that be considered God keeping the earth in its original location?

That won't happen according to scripture.

 

[crjmurray]

That won't happen according to scripture.

Go on

 

[EternalDragon]

That is not what I said. I see a collection of molecules that I call "a tree".

Are you saying that the Earth remains fixed and immovable, while the Moon, Sun, and the cosmos rotates around it?

If you can see molecules with your naked eye, then you must be superman.

No one, including the bible, is saying the earth is fixed or that those
things rotate around it. That word means firmly established. You are
just being obtuse.

 

[stevevw]

There is no evidence for any version of creation that withstands scientific scrutiny.

Young Earth Creation in particular has so many contradictions with reality that I don't see how it can be considered a viable point of view. Not unless you discount reality as a source of evidence for reality.

I'm not saying I believe in young earth creation but how do you know the reality in which we live is actually how things really are and measured. What we see may only be a superficial vision of something that works to completely different ways of how existence is. Just like with the quantum world what we see may only be the tip if the iceberg. So therefore relativity may not be the true measure of things. Gravity may only be a symptom of a much greater force at work that keeps everything in its place so neatly. Afterall matter only makes a very small part of all that vast universe.

 

[Euler]

I wonder if reality is really reality, or, if in reality, it's really something not real.

Good grief.

 

[lasthero]

If you can see molecules with your naked eye, then you must be superman.

He didn't just say 'molecules', he said a 'collection of molecules', which is what a tree - and, in fact, everything you see - is.

 

[lasthero]

That won't happen according to scripture.

It should be noted that, even without such an impact, the Earth's orbit varies all the time. Sometimes, it's closer to the sun, sometimes it's farther out. It is not in perfect uniform motion. If you were to wait a specific point in space, the Earth would not pass you by the same way. You might not even be close enough to see it.

 

[Kylie]

I'm not saying I believe in young earth creation but how do you know the reality in which we live is actually how things really are and measured. What we see may only be a superficial vision of something that works to completely different ways of how existence is. Just like with the quantum world what we see may only be the tip if the iceberg. So therefore relativity may not be the true measure of things. Gravity may only be a symptom of a much greater force at work that keeps everything in its place so neatly. Afterall matter only makes a very small part of all that vast universe.

Maybe. But with no way to verify this, shouldn't we go with the best we have?

 

[Kylie]

Faith says you're wrong, even if your science says otherwise.

And Muslims say you're wrong, and I say you're both wrong.

You can say whatever you want, AV. But the only thing that's important is what REALITY says.

Or don't you care about reality?

 

[AV1611VET]

Or don't you care about reality?

I care about reality; but when reality clashes with what the Bible says, then reality can take a hike.

 

[Kylie]

I care about reality; but when reality clashes with what the Bible says, then reality can take a hike.

Really?

You think the Bible is better at telling you about reality than reality itself?

Are you for real? Because I don't think so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Really?

Yes, really.

You think the Bible is better at telling you about reality than reality itself?

If reality tells me something that doesn't square with what the Bible says, reality can take a hike.

Are you for real?

Yes.

Because I don't think so.

I have a feeling you think a lot of stuff we believe isn't real.