Proof of Creation?

[AV1611VET]

Have you not tried to do that?

Me, Joe, Harry, Lisa ... anyone.

How about creationists who don't try to prove their side scientifically?

 

[Smidlee]

Creationists who try to prove their side scientifically don't seem to get this.

It's impossible to prove the past with science. The best that can be done is to use "The present as the key to the past" but even in science there are times that key doesn't fit.

So you can have "faith" of things not seen and the same time used what I know is true of the present and apply it to understanding the past. As in Ecclesiastes 1:9 " The thing hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

 

[EternalDragon]

Invisible things are clearly seen? Is this an attempt at biblical humour?

Those things you take for granted. Trees, grass, the planet earth, the
sun, etc. Did you selectively leave out the second part or is your comprehension
that bad? We can't see the molecules that make up the tree but we can see
the tree.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[Smidlee]

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Exactly like a DVD movie. The "movie" is invisible and has no mass which can be clearly seen with a DVD player and a HDTV.

With today technology and science the Bible make more sense that ever to me. Everything we created have already existed in some form.

 

[Davian]

Me, Joe, Harry, Lisa ... anyone.

How about creationists who don't try to prove their side scientifically?

I have never met one here that hasn't tried in some manner.

 

[Davian]

Those things you take for granted. Trees, grass, the planet earth, the
sun, etc. Did you selectively leave out the second part or is your comprehension
that bad? We can't see the molecules that make up the tree but we can see
the tree.

If you cannot see the molecules, what do you think you are seeing? Where are "molecules" mentioned in the bible?

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Invisible |inˈvizəbəl| adjective - unable to be seen; not visible to the eye.

Are you going to tell me now that the bible defines "invisible" as "visible", like someone recently tried to tell me that in the bible "immovable" means "moveable"?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have never met one here that hasn't tried in some manner.

Here is the only place you hang out with creationists?

I'll bet you can answer this: What would you do if you met Godzilla?

Yet you don't know how you would react to a creationist who wouldn't try to prove his side scientifically?

Do you really want me to respect your [self-proclaimed] ignorance?

 

[Split Rock]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

The physical evidence infers a very old planet. I haven't found any dating method that is claimed in support of a young earth that is actually valid.

 

[Euler]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

No one seems to have caught the overarching irony in this statement.

You believe something, but also concede that you have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support that belief!

Kinda sad really.

 

[kaytikookie]

No one seems to have caught the overarching irony in this statement.

You believe something, but also concede that you have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support that belief!

Kinda sad really.

I can believe what the bible says without backing it up scientifically.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I can believe what the bible says without backing it up scientifically.

How did you come to believe the creationist bible interpretation so completely without evidence to back up what the Bible says?

Indeed, you had to disregard a lot of evidence to have that belief - How do manage to do that?

I've always thought this was a strange thing to do . . . accept the bible completely without regard to evidence for or against the bible.

 

[AceHero]

No one seems to have caught the overarching irony in this statement.

You believe something, but also concede that you have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support that belief!

Kinda sad really.

I can believe what the bible says without backing it up scientifically.

As Christians, we can certainly believe in God and the resurrection of Jesus without scientific evidence since there is none and it's a big part of our faith. Those things are beyond the realm of the physical. However, when we see the overwhelming scientific evidence that the earth is billions of years old, we have to step back and consider that maybe Genesis isn't a literal history of humanity, but an allegory of our sinful nature.

 

[Davian]

Here is the only place you hang out with creationists?

I am not aware of any in my personal or professional life. An old (muslim YEC) manager of mine mentioned it just before I quit.

I'll bet you can answer this: What would you do if you met Godzilla?

Dunno. Are you implying that these creationist-without-science people are fictional?

Yet you don't know how you would react to a creationist who wouldn't try to prove his side scientifically?

Where did I say that? I have met theists here that try to prove that their god cannot be proven scientifically. They usually end up with a god concept so nebulous that even they are not sure of what they are talking about.

Do you really want me to respect your [self-proclaimed] ignorance?

Ignorance of what?

 

[AV1611VET]

How did you come to believe the creationist bible interpretation so completely without evidence to back up what the Bible says?

Jesus believed it.

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

That's good enough for me.

 

[Euler]

I can believe what the bible says without backing it up scientifically.

Then why have you started a thread seeking evidence?

 

[EternalDragon]

If you cannot see the molecules, what do you think you are seeing? Where are "molecules" mentioned in the bible?

Invisible |inˈvizəbəl| adjective - unable to be seen; not visible to the eye.

Are you going to tell me now that the bible defines "invisible" as "visible", like someone recently tried to tell me that in the bible "immovable" means "moveable"?

Can you see what makes up a tree with your eyeballs?

And yes, the earth has not moved from where God put it in the beginning. It is still
where it has always been.

 

[stevevw]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

Remember that if you want to have enough evidence that will confirm things definitely then you wouldn't need the faith that Jesus talks about so much. Remember Thomas. It was that faith that many of the great men of old done great things like Moses and Abraham and Joshua. If there was all that evidence then we wouldn't need that faith. Then we could see Gods invisible powers now. But I could imagine some would still be skeptical and not believe anyway. But we are not totally without evidence.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

 

[Euler]

Can you see what makes up a tree with your eyeballs?

And yes, the earth has not moved from where God put it in the beginning. It is still
where it has always been.

Except that is continually moving around the sun. And that our galaxy is moving. And that our universe is expanding.

Yep, other than that, it's fixed!

 

[EternalDragon]

Except that is continually moving around the sun. And that our galaxy is moving. And that our universe is expanding.

Yep, other than that, it's fixed!

Now you are changing the word. That's trickery.

The earth will be where it is supposed to be until God
changes that. Nothing will move it. Not a black hole,
not a huge meteor strike, not gravity. Nothing will
change it but God.

 

[Kylie]

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

There is no evidence for any version of creation that withstands scientific scrutiny.

Young Earth Creation in particular has so many contradictions with reality that I don't see how it can be considered a viable point of view. Not unless you discount reality as a source of evidence for reality.