progress ???

[serendipity79]

I thought i was making progress with my argument here. which just sort of came out in my typing. it was strange. But i think i am now even losing myself in it.
but i feel like i could use some help from other christians who may see my poiint.

http://www.christianforums.com/t57151&page=1

my arguments that i could use some help with are starting at post 27, but feel free to look at the entire thread to get a feel for where i am coming from.

i have to leave for work shortly.

thank you and God Bless.

 

[Mounts]

I'm sorry I can't be of much help, but I offer some Biblical peace to your logical mind. I'll base my following advice from these set of verses,

"What may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 2:19,20)

Do you see what Paul's talking about? Everyone knows God exists, regardless of whether they want to admit to it or not--life simply proves God. That's as simple as it is: Can man create man? Can man create the planets and the stars? No, so someone else did. Of course, this Someone is no other than the mighty Lord God Who has revealed Himself by his invisible attributes. These invisible attributes are that in which your theory talks about--Love, to name the most obvious one.

So from that, you don't need to prove God exists. Everyone knows it in the depths of their hearts, even atheists (and I promise you, they will strongly deny this; verse 21 continues to explain this). The only thing you should worry about getting across is the message of Jesus crucified and raised again, for everyone knows God exists.

Don't worry about the science and fleshly wisdom of proving God, for it is a waste of time and unprofitable. The simplicity of the proof of God is life itself. Amen.

 

[Achichem]

I would suggest looking at Time.

Not time relative as many people assume time is, but time as a concept.

Allow me to explain:

Time is quite impossible without God! Why?

Well if all you think time is a measure of relative speed in relation to everything, then you and sadly mistaken. You see the only reason we think of it this way is because to do anything else would be to admit God. But still why?

You see time is a dimension the same as width or length, X or Y. Except this is where many people stop. Which is a mistake.

You see the thing different is if you enlarge something you can by the opposite force reverse it.

If you increase X by 1 it take the same amount of force to take X back down one.

You see with time, this is not the case, it is quite impossible to reverse, because the past simply does not exist anymore.

Of course some argue, the first thing which is to go fast then the speed of light is to go back in time. They often use special relativity to justify such.

The problem?
Special relativity, assumes that time is relative, and light is constant. That is because of the belief that time is in fact nothing more then a measure of the speed of one object in relation to another. Yet this is flawed.

You see this is the same as if we were cars and all the tasks in our lives were the road.

If everyone travel at a constant speed of 60 km/h, then surly the cars would believe that if one car went 100 km/h that car would not be effect by time, because the relation between task would in fact be smaller and the amount of thing one could do in their lives (how must road they can travel in an hour would be much higher). However perhaps you see the flaw. You see sure in relation to an assumed constant the car traveling at 100 km/h would seem not to be affected by time, because they could do so much more in that hour life span we call life. But the same as with the car, at the hour times, both cars run out of gas, both die at the same time, one did not at all affect time at all, only time in relation to all other assumed constants.

The fact is time, is a concept, it is the raw fact that what was can no long be, one can only go forward, never backward.

So then what is the other possibility?
This is how I explain time:

Time is a measurement of cycles, these cycles happen in each et of time. An et of time is one cycle and equal to far less then a second perhaps even a zillionth of the size of measure.

I explain the cycle as the transfer of between to states: the state of existence, and the state of memory.

This endless wave pattern .

For this to work, there would have to be a point, person or thing that just was. This point, person or thing would need not be effected by time. This point, person or thing would have to have the power of memory. This point, person or thing would have to have the power to create.

Isn’t it funny how all these are some of the propriety we assigned to God before we understood this principle.

How does this process create time, well once something was recreated from memory the old thing no longer exists. But then how does that thing return to the state of memory. That is because if you created something from nothingness then it would be unstable, and have to return to the state of nothingness. But the point, person or thing would remember what he created at its last point of existence. It would then recreate what it last remembered.

To see who the the point, person or thing is
see: A Scientific Hypothesis to How God Simply is:
http://www.christianforums.com/t51518

I just think I should explain the dark pull now, so you do not get distracted.

This is the simplest way to explain it:

A= what was
B=what is

A = B (we know this because of the universal truth, it must be possible)

A – B = 0

B cannot be negative (we know this because negative things are the absence of, we are here)


-A + B = 0

0 = balanced as we know things are

B = positive because we exist

+ = God, because positive things need to be created

-A = negative numbers do not need to be created, but seek to be balanced, thus crave.

God bless,
Datsar

 

[Mounts]

... I guess my words weren't heeded. Oh well, it's your headache, not mine.

 

[Achichem]

... I guess my words weren't heeded. Oh well, it's your headache, not mine.

O trust me, we have heeded these words,
But when you love people you wish them so much to admit it to themselves,

I know I cannot change their minds, but I can not help but try.And hope that the Lord will make the seeds of truth grow on the rocks.

 

[Mounts]

I agree, and I'm not offended or anything--but fleshly wisdom such as mathmatics and science cannot prove God in the first place. Especially since people work so hard to use science to disprove God.

 

[Reformationist]

I'm sorry I can't be of much help, but I offer some Biblical peace to your logical mind. I'll base my following advice from these set of verses,

"What may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." (Romans 2:19,20)

Do you see what Paul's talking about? Everyone knows God exists, regardless of whether they want to admit to it or not--life simply proves God. That's as simple as it is: Can man create man? Can man create the planets and the stars? No, so someone else did. Of course, this Someone is no other than the mighty Lord God Who has revealed Himself by his invisible attributes. These invisible attributes are that in which your theory talks about--Love, to name the most obvious one.

So from that, you don't need to prove God exists. Everyone knows it in the depths of their hearts, even atheists (and I promise you, they will strongly deny this; verse 21 continues to explain this). The only thing you should worry about getting across is the message of Jesus crucified and raised again, for everyone knows God exists.

Don't worry about the science and fleshly wisdom of proving God, for it is a waste of time and unprofitable. The simplicity of the proof of God is life itself. Amen.

Very nicely said. Thank you for the words of wisdom.

God bless,
Don

 

[serendipity79]

thank you for your words they were helpful