Profitable store closed due to crime

[Ana the Ist]

The crime rate is actually declining across the country, despite a few spectacular robberies by organized crime.

The FBI statistics are based on prosecutions of crimes.

Ironically, back when the left was spending every moment outraged at the policing in black communities....I pointed out that if we simply remove the police from those areas....not only could we reduce the number of unarmed black men shot by police to 0....we could also see crime become non-existent....since there won't be anyone investigating or prosecuting.

I was joking though...playfully pointing out the problem the average person has with understanding statistics. I didn't mean it was a serious policy suggestion.

Luckily....the National Crime Victimization survey, also done by the DOJ...has been an alternative method for capturing a look at unreported or unsolved crimes. Both reports have consistently resulted in showing the same general trends in crime...with little variation....until 2022.

In 2022 the FBI's report said violent crimes were decreasing....by 1.7%. The Victimization survey said something completely different...violent crime was up 44%.

I don't think that the results for 2023 are in yet...but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a huge difference again and the Crime Victimization Survey says violent crimes are up.

Without getting into the politicization of the FBI and the fact that they changed data collection methods...there's lots of possible explanations for the difference in results. It could be that people trust police a lot less...and aren't reporting crimes. It could be that the shortage of police has left many 911 calls without any officers to send...and people aren't willing to go to the police station and file a report.

I think the real question is why do I have to point out the reality of the situation and your trusted media outlets just carry this administration's water?

 

[iluvatar5150]

The FBI statistics are based on prosecutions of crimes.

Not according to the NIBRS manual I linked to in post 53.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I agree! But it seems less than honest to say its done for customers and employees safety - the same customers and soon-to-be-unemployed persons who will continue to live among that violence, just without hamburgers.

If they cared about the lives of employees...they'd give them health benefits. If they cared about the lives of customers...they would serve salads.

I don't know if they are being robbed and don't want to be called racist for leaving...or their customers are being robbed and its killing profits....or if they think it's just a matter of time before a black man is shot by a civilian or cop and they get blamed. All of these reasons though...can get them labeled racist...so if any are the real reason, they won't say it out loud.

 

[RoBo1988]

What do you mean by national data? Aside from that, the right is focusing on problems with crime and the economy and the left is ignoring/denying it.

Like the saying "it's a recession if your neighbor loses their job, but it's a depression if you lose your job" - out of their sight out of mind.

 

[RoBo1988]

Food deserts....a thing I used to make fun of the left for even believing in, are becoming a reality. It's not because of the reasons given by the left in the past like racism....but rather because of the rampant looting and violence towards employees who try to stop it.

I first heard the term "food desert" in a news report, when a Dayton Ohio Aldi's closed, and a nearby Kroger soon after. A year or so before that, I stopped in at the Aldi store. They had armed security up by the checkouts.

 

[ozso]

Not according to the NIBRS manual I linked to in post 53.

This is why I usually don't bother taking the time to dig up data when asked for it, because I know the data will automatically be rejected.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not according to the NIBRS manual I linked to in post 53.

Sorry...you're correct, it's law enforcement reported. For some reason I thought they also tracked convictions, acquittals, self defense, etc.

 

[ozso]

I first heard the term "food desert" in a news report, when a Dayton Ohio Aldi's closed, and a nearby Kroger soon after. A year or so before that, I stopped in at the Aldi store. They had armed security up by the checkouts.

All the security guards seen in grocery and retail stores and all the products seen locked up is just an attempt to deceive the public.

 

[RoBo1988]

All the security guards seen in grocery and retail stores and all the products seen locked up is just an attempt to deceive the public.

Sure, everything's fine...

 

[FireDragon76]

This seems to be a recurrent issue with some folks. What they think is at odds with reality.

It goes back to what I said about media illiteracy.

 

[FireDragon76]

All the security guards seen in grocery and retail stores and all the products seen locked up is just an attempt to deceive the public.

That's really about business decisions (like having fewer staff to monitor inventory) and trying to make shareholders happy. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with crime rates.

 

[FireDragon76]

What do you mean by national data? Aside from that, the right is focusing on problems with crime and the economy and the left is ignoring/denying it.

Crime is down. That is a fact. The economy is doing better. That is a fact.

There is income inequality, but the policies of the Right actually don't help reduce it. And to make matters worse, most of the wealthy donors to the Right, like the Koch brothers or fossil fuel companies, don't have any interest in addressing income inequality, either.

There are real issues this country faces, like climate change and the lack of sustainable national transportation policy or land developement, or the national obesity pandemic, are not being addressed because the Right distracts the political conversation onto nothingburgers about the supposed dangers of trans people using the women's restrooms, or trying to tell women what to do with their bodies through Big Brother style tactics.

 

[ozso]

Crime is down. That is a fact. The economy is doing better. That is a fact.

There is income inequality, but the policies of the Right actually don't help reduce it. And to make matters worse, most of the wealthy donors to the Right, like the Koch brothers or fossil fuel companies, don't have any interest in addressing income inequality, either.

There are real issues this country faces, like climate change and the lack of sustainable national transportation policy or land developement, or the national obesity pandemic, are not being addressed because the Right distracts the political conversation onto nothingburgers about the supposed dangers of trans people using the women's restrooms, or trying to tell women what to do with their bodies through Big Brother style tactics.

Sounds like scripted anti-right propaganda slash conspiracy theory.

 

[ozso]

That's really about business decisions (like having fewer staff to monitor inventory) and trying to make shareholders happy. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with crime rates.

Also sounds like a conspiracy theory.

 

[FireDragon76]

Sounds like scripted anti-right propaganda.

That's not a substantive refutation of anything I said. It just amounts to trying to poison the well.

It's not propaganda to point out that there are real problems, but the economy as a whole and crime are actually getting better, not worse.

 

[FireDragon76]

Also sounds like a conspiracy theory.

It's simply how corporate America works now days- cost cutting, even if it means changing the format of retail. If you save money by hiring fewer staff to monitor merchandise, but instead choose to keep everything locked up, that saves money that you pass onto shareholders in the form of stock equity. Retailers are under more pressure now days to control costs because they have to compete with Amazon and similar services which don't have brick and mortar issues.

 

[ozso]

It's simply how corporate America works now days- cost cutting, even if it means changing the format of retail. If you save money by hiring fewer staff to monitor merchandise, but instead choose to keep everything locked up, that saves money that you pass onto shareholders in the form of stock equity. Retailers are under more pressure now days to control costs because they have to compete with Amazon and similar services which don't have brick and mortar issues.

Using Occam's razor, I'll go with there's a big crime problem in certain areas due to law not being enforced enough and rampant drug use.

 

[FireDragon76]

Using Occam's razor, I'll go with there's a big crime problem in certain areas due to law not being enforced enough and rampant drug use.

I don't think you understand what Occam's Razor is. It doesn't mean simpler explanations are necessarily correct, only preferable. Especially if it's used to dodge evidence, such as declining national crime rates or an improving economy.

Even in hard sciences, such as quantuum physics, we are finding that the scientific evidence sometimes points away from simplistic explanations. So it's good to take Occam's Razor not as a law, but a general principle. It's not an excuse to be anti-intellectual.

 

[KCfromNC]

What do you mean by national data? Aside from that, the right is focusing on problems with crime and the economy and the left is ignoring/denying it.

It by "ignoring/denying it", you mean posting stats showing that despite right wing fearmongering, uh, I mean focusing crime rates are actually decreasing then this post is truthful.

 

[ozso]

I don't think you understand what Occam's Razor is. It doesn't mean simpler explanations are necessarily correct, only preferable. Especially if it's used to dodge evidence, such as declining national crime rates or an improving economy.

Even in hard sciences, such as quantuum physics, we are finding that the scientific evidence sometimes points away from simplistic explanations. So it's good to take Occam's Razor not as a law, but a general principle. It's not an excuse to be anti-intellectual.

Everyone on the left is a scientist these days.