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Professing to be wise, they became fools
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Oh, did the mighty lucas say something and I did listen, shame on me. When are you guys going to catch on that the guy is full of BS?Jet Black said:
Also, it takes you guys about five min, to come up with five hours of questions, there is no way I can answer all of the questions on here. Not to mention the fact that the questions are nonsense to begin with.
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This one:Larry said:Don't forget to reply to this one, John.
Are you intentionally trying to confuse the issue?
I'll try to make this as clear as possible.
"Professing to be wise....". What kind of wisdom are we talking about? Could it be the wisdom of math? No. Could it be the wisdom of linguistics? No. Could it be the wisdom of science? No. Could it be the wisdom of auto mechanics? No. Could it be the wisdom of indoor plumbing? No. Could it be the wisdom of aerodynamics? No.
So, what kind of 'wisdom' are we talking about? Let's not assume things, and go right to scripture, specifically those parts you overlooked and ommitted.
Here's the set-up.
"16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."
Apparently, they were not glorifying God, their thoughts became futile, and their hearts became darkened, (turned away from God). They became more reliant on their own moral and spiritual standards...basically living by their own philosophy, instead of living by God's standards, and trying to justify their lifestyle by trying to make God fit their views and moral standards.
Thus......
"22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
Moral and spiritual decay, plain and simple.
And, here's the defining moment for exactly what 'wisdom' scripture is talking about.....
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."
So, like I've been saying all along, the 'wisdom' which is spoken of, is all about spirituality, morality and living the way God wants us to. It has nothing to do with non-spiritual or non-moral issues such as science, auto mechanics, indoor plumbing, math, linguistics, cooking, or any other knowledge along these lines.
Sure thing, as soon as I catch up on my speed reading course.
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you start off by spouting rubbish and then ignore it when people question it. you are not an infallible preacher Johnn; this is a discussion forum where people discuss things. expect to have your points of view discussed. if you don't like it, I suggest you leave.JohnR7 said:
lol, well if the questions are nonsense, then why not just refute them if it is so easy? you say we come up with hours of questions, but I don't recall you even answering a single question of any depth. all you ever seem to do is just take a line out of context and then say whatever it is you want to preach at the time. you do this endlessly and it is pointed out to you endlessly, but you still persist? why?
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He'll argue and address all the peripheral posts, but when it comes to something that addresses the core issue of his OP, he avoids it like the plague.
I'm calling you on this one, John. You have no right to make such terrific claims, then hide when it comes time to be held accountable for what you say. Don't reply to this post. Reply to the meat and potato post, if you've got the fortitude and honesty.
I'm calling you on this one, John. You have no right to make such terrific claims, then hide when it comes time to be held accountable for what you say. Don't reply to this post. Reply to the meat and potato post, if you've got the fortitude and honesty.
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John, we would already be happy if you just answered one question without taking the question out of context and without us having to ask for it 4 or 5 times at the least.JohnR7 said:
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Oh come on John, when are you going to finally catch on that you are a moron?
And before you whine about this being a personal attack (which it is - a truthful one at that), read your sentence about lucaspa again.
Your posts are a waste of bandwidth.
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"Oh come on"? I am not going anywhere with you. Unless of course you plan to go to Heaven, so if that is the case, then lets get a move on.Physics_guy said:
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Freodin
Devout believer in a theologically different God
I wonder how Johnny finds all the time for his snippet remarks - but never time for a serious answer.
I tried. I honestly tried, and was evaded for ages. I won´t do it any longer.
John, feel honoured - you will be the first one on my ignore list.
I tried. I honestly tried, and was evaded for ages. I won´t do it any longer.
John, feel honoured - you will be the first one on my ignore list.
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Larry said:
As we have discussed many times, it has nothing to do with the facts. It has nothing to do with the gathering of the facts. What you have to watch out for, is when corrupt and defiled men begin to give you their opinions about the so called facts or what they have gathered.
Eccles. 2:26
For God gives wisdom and knowledge and joy to a man who is good in His sight; but to the sinner He gives the work of gathering and collecting, that he may give to him who is good before God. This also is vanity and grasping for the wind.
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JohnR7 said:
So, that's it? Wow.
Hey John, the next time you want to use scripture out of context, twisting it and distorting it's meaning to fit your perverted ideas, just remember this. You will be held accountable before God on judgement day, for every word you speak which leads some from the truth and causes others to stumble.
Take heed, John.
"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." (Mark 9:42)
Take heed.
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Isn't it brushing the dust off your sandals when you are getting beaten in an argument and pull a biblical quote to scarper pride intact?versastyle said:
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Actually, your the one that is judgeing me here. As you judge, so shall you be judged.Larry said:
Also, christians do not go before the judgement throne of God. We go before the judgement throne of Christ, so as to determine if we will receive a reward or loss for the works that we have done.
That is why makes being a christian a fantastic deal. We do not pay any of our debt, so we get to keep all of our rewards or wages. Of course like I said, there will be people who suffer loss and they will receive no rewards, because they did not do anything to earn them.
That does not mean there is no price to pay in this life for breaking the law of God. Clearly we do reap what we sow while we are still alive in that regard.
Sounds like your the one that needs to take heed. I pray about everything I do, before I do it.
You should check yourself to see if your being led by God or not. It is not your place to judge me or my heart.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls.
Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
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