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Procter and Gamble........
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Spicy McHaggis
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Oh yeah, and what about all the homosexuals that rally to support P&G? They'll cancel out the boycotters.
Yeah, the boycott will give people an opportunity to make a statement, but it won't affect P&G.
Just occurred to me, if someone did write a letter to the CEO, they'd probably get a coupon in the response. Ironically hilarious.
Yeah, the boycott will give people an opportunity to make a statement, but it won't affect P&G.
Just occurred to me, if someone did write a letter to the CEO, they'd probably get a coupon in the response. Ironically hilarious.
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How do they support it?aimejl said:
like, funding abortion clinics? I'm not trying to dispute that they might, I just don't know how.
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Sketcher
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A question I have is what don't they make. A common practice is to use the exact same product and put different labels on it. If Proctor & Gamble makes the detergent, and sells it as an off-brand (or sells it to someone else who sells it as an off brand) they're still making money.
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Again, If you dont like the show or want your child watching it... Turn the TV off and ... talk to your kid, Read a book (the bible perhaps?), play a family game?? I know it would be a stretch but it can be done.
Proctor & gamble produce so many items, anything you buy will likely be produced by them or one of their subsidiaries.
Ps. How did abortion get involved in this topic???
Proctor & gamble produce so many items, anything you buy will likely be produced by them or one of their subsidiaries.
Ps. How did abortion get involved in this topic???
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My thoughts on the subject...
My dad works for P&G, and has been for over 30 years, in my opinnion many things are corrupt, and as long as their are people, and existence, we will contiue to make stupid decisions, (I.e. Proctor and gamble comes out of the closet.) so my thought is simply this, although I am completely against homosexual everything, I am going to stick with procter on this one, simply because they have supported our family for so long.....You wouldn't turn on a loved one simply because they came out of the closet would you??
My dad works for P&G, and has been for over 30 years, in my opinnion many things are corrupt, and as long as their are people, and existence, we will contiue to make stupid decisions, (I.e. Proctor and gamble comes out of the closet.) so my thought is simply this, although I am completely against homosexual everything, I am going to stick with procter on this one, simply because they have supported our family for so long.....You wouldn't turn on a loved one simply because they came out of the closet would you??
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Trip man, you really dodged a bullet there man.TriptychR said:I was just making a joke. Or trying to...
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Cool, cuz for a minute there I thought you had three dads, all working for a company named Proctor and Gamble.ABOOT03 said:
You must get alot of birthday presents...
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Ok guys and gals, I don't want to close this thread because I think both sides have made some really good points, so before that happens let's just cool our jets a bit and resume some good, calm (operative word! ) conversation about the subject.
Thanks!
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Ok guys and gals, I don't want to close this thread because I think both sides have made some really good points, so before that happens let's just cool our jets a bit and resume some good, calm (operative word!
) conversation about the subject.Thanks!
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If you're going to boycott Procter and Gamble for the things they support then you'd better start investigating all the other products you use to make sure they don't support anything immoral. Let's start with Microsoft, Apple, and the various Linux companies that supply the base software that runs the computers in abortion clinics, puts together all porn movies and magazines, supports homosexuals, supports terrorism, supports........ So everyone had better burn their computers.
How about this folks? We make decisions to live our lives in accordance to the values of Christ's Kingdom and we teach our kids that. Then we can preach the Gospel to the lost instead of preaching morality and beating them over the head with a Bible. No where do I see Christ or any of the apostles trying to change government and society itself, they preached the Gospel to the lost and let God transform their lives. As the lives of people changed, society changed.
My pastor wrote this article in our local ultra liberal rag:
Christians anti-agendas
Thats not what Jesus called us to
Jeff Krajewski
What do you think when you hear the word Christian? A Christian is Many colorful adjectives might be used to fill in that blank.
I would say that I am a Christian, but saying those words places me in a cultural category that I am not so fond of. I am very fond of the Christianity that I read about in the Bible and that I see displayed in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. I am not fond of the cultural Christianity that has emerged and morphed into what we see before us today.
To be Christian today seems to be synonymous with many different things. One of those things is that Christians have an agenda which is most widely defined by what we are against. Those outside of the church look at us and understandably draw conclusions based on our anti-agenda. While the anti-agenda isnt what Jesus has called us to, it is unfortunately what we most loudly and consistently project. We come out with positions on this and that and against whatever new moral threat we believe is destroying our country.
Right now, we are against gay marriage. In the past we have been against Disney, Ozzy Osborne, R-rated movies, long hair and beer. This is a painful position to be in and it robs me of the joy of living out my faith. I do not want my life to be defined by what issues I am against because as soon as I have a position against an issue I have also immediately established animosity with others who are for that position. With the barriers up, no productive interaction will ever take place as we have now made enemies out of our neighbors who, incidentally, Jesus called us to love.
The first four books of the New Testament are about the life and teaching of Jesus. The term Christian was given to identify those people who choose to follow after the life and teachings of Jesus. They are literally Christ followers. In the first generation following Jesus death and resurrection, thousands of people emerged in first century Palestine, Europe and Asia Minor claiming to follow Jesus of Nazareth. In the last 2,000 years that number has continued to increase by the millions throughout the world.
Those early Christians determined to pattern their lives after the life of Jesus. This is significant in that the community or the church that grew out of this life change was radically different from todays mainstream American church. They considered themselves to be aliens and strangers in this world. They didnt quite fit in. They were living their lives in their particular time and space, but not as those around them lived. They werent out to make a lot of money or to be successful or powerful. They werent running for public office.
They were patterning their lives after the life and teaching of Jesus in practical and tangible ways. They were caring for each other and for the needs of those around them both inside and outside of the church. They were loving God and loving each other and loving everyone they met. They were doing what Jesus did, not just asking the question and wearing the bracelet.
A careful read of the first four books of the New Testament will uncover who and what Jesus was for. He was for life. He was for the kind of life that we were created to live from the very beginning. And he was for tearing down the dividing wall of sin that separates us from God and from each other. He was for the poor and the oppressed. He was for those persons that no one else considered valuable. He was for those who had been rejected by the establishment. He was for those who didnt have a voice or couldnt find their place. He was for those who needed an advocate. Jesus was for peace and reconciliation. He was for life the way it was meant to be lived from the very beginning. He was for all of those things that we want to be true of this present life but cannot find. Not only was he for those things, he died so that we could have them ourselves. And his being raised from the dead is the proof that God can give us what we all are looking for. His message to the world was to reconsider the course of living that we are currently on and consider a new course of life with Him.
I would contend that many people claim to be Christian without much information about what that means. And I would also contend that many have rejected the same name for the same misinformed reasons. I am not trying to put a new spin on Jesus or to soften the implications of his deity. He is God in the flesh and we have been given the privilege of coming under his authority. Not everyone will like this and history has proven that not everyone will accept Jesus and his teaching.
I am only concerned that we see Jesus for who he really is in the life of those who claim his name. If people are going to accept or reject Christianity, we need to make sure that they have the opportunity to see Jesus. It would be a shame for Christians or our anti-agendas to be the barrier that prevents people from seeing Jesus. It is time for the church to be the holy nation of God in Christ Jesus and to live up to the name.
I am a Christian and I am for Jesus and His kingdom coming to earth as it already is in heaven.
How about this folks? We make decisions to live our lives in accordance to the values of Christ's Kingdom and we teach our kids that. Then we can preach the Gospel to the lost instead of preaching morality and beating them over the head with a Bible. No where do I see Christ or any of the apostles trying to change government and society itself, they preached the Gospel to the lost and let God transform their lives. As the lives of people changed, society changed.
My pastor wrote this article in our local ultra liberal rag:
Christians anti-agendas
Thats not what Jesus called us to
Jeff Krajewski
What do you think when you hear the word Christian? A Christian is Many colorful adjectives might be used to fill in that blank.
I would say that I am a Christian, but saying those words places me in a cultural category that I am not so fond of. I am very fond of the Christianity that I read about in the Bible and that I see displayed in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. I am not fond of the cultural Christianity that has emerged and morphed into what we see before us today.
To be Christian today seems to be synonymous with many different things. One of those things is that Christians have an agenda which is most widely defined by what we are against. Those outside of the church look at us and understandably draw conclusions based on our anti-agenda. While the anti-agenda isnt what Jesus has called us to, it is unfortunately what we most loudly and consistently project. We come out with positions on this and that and against whatever new moral threat we believe is destroying our country.
Right now, we are against gay marriage. In the past we have been against Disney, Ozzy Osborne, R-rated movies, long hair and beer. This is a painful position to be in and it robs me of the joy of living out my faith. I do not want my life to be defined by what issues I am against because as soon as I have a position against an issue I have also immediately established animosity with others who are for that position. With the barriers up, no productive interaction will ever take place as we have now made enemies out of our neighbors who, incidentally, Jesus called us to love.
The first four books of the New Testament are about the life and teaching of Jesus. The term Christian was given to identify those people who choose to follow after the life and teachings of Jesus. They are literally Christ followers. In the first generation following Jesus death and resurrection, thousands of people emerged in first century Palestine, Europe and Asia Minor claiming to follow Jesus of Nazareth. In the last 2,000 years that number has continued to increase by the millions throughout the world.
Those early Christians determined to pattern their lives after the life of Jesus. This is significant in that the community or the church that grew out of this life change was radically different from todays mainstream American church. They considered themselves to be aliens and strangers in this world. They didnt quite fit in. They were living their lives in their particular time and space, but not as those around them lived. They werent out to make a lot of money or to be successful or powerful. They werent running for public office.
They were patterning their lives after the life and teaching of Jesus in practical and tangible ways. They were caring for each other and for the needs of those around them both inside and outside of the church. They were loving God and loving each other and loving everyone they met. They were doing what Jesus did, not just asking the question and wearing the bracelet.
A careful read of the first four books of the New Testament will uncover who and what Jesus was for. He was for life. He was for the kind of life that we were created to live from the very beginning. And he was for tearing down the dividing wall of sin that separates us from God and from each other. He was for the poor and the oppressed. He was for those persons that no one else considered valuable. He was for those who had been rejected by the establishment. He was for those who didnt have a voice or couldnt find their place. He was for those who needed an advocate. Jesus was for peace and reconciliation. He was for life the way it was meant to be lived from the very beginning. He was for all of those things that we want to be true of this present life but cannot find. Not only was he for those things, he died so that we could have them ourselves. And his being raised from the dead is the proof that God can give us what we all are looking for. His message to the world was to reconsider the course of living that we are currently on and consider a new course of life with Him.
I would contend that many people claim to be Christian without much information about what that means. And I would also contend that many have rejected the same name for the same misinformed reasons. I am not trying to put a new spin on Jesus or to soften the implications of his deity. He is God in the flesh and we have been given the privilege of coming under his authority. Not everyone will like this and history has proven that not everyone will accept Jesus and his teaching.
I am only concerned that we see Jesus for who he really is in the life of those who claim his name. If people are going to accept or reject Christianity, we need to make sure that they have the opportunity to see Jesus. It would be a shame for Christians or our anti-agendas to be the barrier that prevents people from seeing Jesus. It is time for the church to be the holy nation of God in Christ Jesus and to live up to the name.
I am a Christian and I am for Jesus and His kingdom coming to earth as it already is in heaven.
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