problems with masturbation

[SonicBOOM]

And how do you seperate the two?

by what you do with it. touching yourself is a result of the sexaul desire, the problem with this is keeping it moderate. Thats why I suggested to the OP to only do it once or twice a week. If you induldge you will be VERY unhealthy in the end. Lust is losing control of your own boundries. You might have a problem if you have a conviction against something [like lets say porn] and yet you find yourself constaly doing it over and over again. touching yourself isn't the same as looking at porn.

 

[septemberskies]

by what you do with it. touching yourself is a result of the sexaul desire, the problem with this is keeping it moderate. Thats why I suggested to the OP to only do it once or twice a week. If you induldge you will be VERY unhealthy in the end. Lust is losing control of your own boundries. You might have a problem if you have a conviction against something [like lets say porn] and yet you find yourself constaly doing it over and over again. touching yourself isn't the same as looking at porn.

Quick question (and maybe i'll regret it) but how does porn even come into the discussion? You don't have to watch porn to lust.

 

[SonicBOOM]

Quick question (and maybe i'll regret it) but how does porn even come into the discussion? You don't have to watch porn to lust.

because it was mentioned earlier by someone else in the discussion. Sorry to offend anyone

 

[Luther073082]

Yeah I don't know that you can kind of draw the conclusion that if you only touch so much its not a sin but if you do it too much then it is.

Not to say that its an uncommon sin but lust is lust if you ask me.

Its not the same as drunkeness. No one defines drunkeness by how much alcohol you drink. They define it by losing your decision making abilities and inhabitions. So therefore the amount that you can drink is different for everyone. Some people can get wasted on Nyquil and others and drink 3 long island iced teas and not be drunk.

because it was mentioned earlier by someone else in the discussion. Sorry to offend anyone

No its not that its offensive, I think she's just saying that your definition is way way off.

 

[septemberskies]

because it was mentioned earlier by someone else in the discussion. Sorry to offend anyone

Hey, no offense. I just know how these things can take a turn for the bizarre or better yet get completely off track. I wasn't sure where that was coming from is all.

 

[SonicBOOM]

Yeah I don't know that you can kind of draw the conclusion that if you only touch so much its not a sin but if you do it too much then it is.

Not to say that its an uncommon sin but lust is lust if you ask me.

well granted the bible doesn't mention touching yourself, it's kind of hard to tell. It mentions lust.... but people are so quik to point at where Jesus says "to lust is to commit adultery". Though take a look at this passage... notice how it says "Adultery" and not "fornacation". I beleive Jesus is talking to married people here. He's saying "hey! You got your own spouse! Your committing adultery if you look at other women/men". Solomon says something similar when he says "drink from your own well". I don't beleive Jesus is talking to single people.

So i guess you can ask yourself something. How does the bible suggest that men and women handle the sexaul desire when we got no one to have sex with? It's simply phycodic to say that we are to rid ourselves of the desire entirely. Moreover thats unhealthy! To lose the desire is to be asexaul. We're gonna desire sex whether we are married or not... how we handle it is everything. in my oppionion, losing the sexaul desire is as damaging and sinful as lust is. Because if you lose the desire your denying God's own creation.

Its not the same as drunkeness. No one defines drunkeness by how much alcohol you drink. They define it by losing your decision making abilities and inhabitions. So therefore the amount that you can drink is different for everyone. Some people can get wasted on Nyquil and others and drink 3 long island iced teas and not be drunk.



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same with sex, someone defines being indudged in sex the same way. If you make sex your life and have no control over your sexaulity at all. than your indudging. If a person can go and have a few drinks and have complete control and not sin, than why can't someone touch once or twice a week and not be guilty of sin. We are never told to deny the desire, we are only told to have self-control the 2 are quite diffrent, i assure you.

 

[septemberskies]

No its not that its offensive, I think she's just saying that your definition is way way off.

Yep yep that's what I was going for

 

[septemberskies]

Ok Chris, taking it back to basics, can you mastubate without any sort of mental picture of a sexual act, woman, etc?

 

[Luther073082]

Umm Paul mentions lust as something that all people should stay away from. So it doesn't really apply just to married people.

I'm not sure though that I think of lust as you do though. I see it as desiring someone to the point beyond thinking "Oh they are attractive."

 

[septemberskies]

I'm not sure though that I think of lust as you do though. I see it as desiring someone to the point beyond thinking "Oh they are attractive."

My thoughts exactly....


Especially if it turns into the point where one has to "deal with it" then yeah I think that qualifies as lusting.

 

[Johnnz]

You lust wrongly when you have a deliberate, conscious desire to engage is something that you know is wrong. Anything less that this is something else.

John
NZ

 

[SonicBOOM]

You lust wrongly when you have a deliberate, conscious desire to engage is something that you know is wrong. Anything less that this is something else.

John
NZ

thank you!

 

[SonicBOOM]

Ok Chris, taking it back to basics, can you mastubate without any sort of mental picture of a sexual act, woman, etc?

why should this matter?

 

[SonicBOOM]

I'm not sure though that I think of lust as you do though. I see it as desiring someone to the point beyond thinking "Oh they are attractive."

well lets look at a dictionary for this


lust - Intense or unrestrained sexual craving

this can speak for itself. If your sexaul desire goes past limits that you know are wrong. Than your guilty of lust.

 

[septemberskies]

why should this matter?

I guess that equals a yes.

 

[SonicBOOM]

I guess that equals a yes.

oh nevermind... you win

 

[septemberskies]

oh nevermind... you win

I'll take that and run with it

 

[danstar]

what are u 2 playing at?

 

[SonicBOOM]

what are u 2 playing at?

haha whatever it is I'm getting creamed i'm not to good at debating but I try my best

 

[septemberskies]

haha whatever it is I'm getting creamed i'm not to good at debating but I try my best

Now I think you were holding your own there for a while