Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’

[JosephZ]

We all know that rhe Palestinians are solely to blame for rhe fact they didn't have their own state. They are rhe ones who have turned it down at every step and everytime it was offered.

I've read a ton of stuff on the Palestinian rejections of offers. At one point they were offered 93% of rhe land they wanted and they turned it down.

The Camp David and Taba summits provided the most generous offers to the Palestinians, yet there would be no recognition of statehood; it wouldn't allow the Palestinians to have a military, and they wouldn’t have control over their airspace. Israeli aircraft would be able to patrol and conduct surveillance of the Palestinian territories at any time for any reason without having to consult with Palestinian authorities. Palestinians also wouldn't have a guarantee of freedom of movement from north to south in the West Bank and between the West Bank and Gaza. Israel would also have control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third-holiest site in Islam, which had once been under Palestinian control. Does that sound reasonable to you? If you were negotiating peace between the US and one of its enemies and it proposed similar terms, would you accept them?

 

[Vanellus]

Uhhhhh, let's see.....the Arabs and Islamists could just leave them alone maybe.....that would work. Whew, I had to think a whole .3sec to come up with that one.

But you can't trust them can you (you=civilwarbuff). After all, don't they inflate the casualty figures (which have been found to be reliable in previous conflicts). Your answer here is inconsistent with your own view of Arabs and Islamists.

 

[JosephZ]

And how would they get there? Do you not also think that the IDF is also watching for hamas rats to try to leave? After all, the IDF is not stupid.

The IDF may not be stupid, but they are making some serious strategic errors. Withdrawing troops from the parts of Gaza that it had previously cleared is proving to be a grave mistake.

Hamas Leader Yahya Sinwar Is In Tunnels Near Khan Younis, NOT Hiding in Rafah

Contrary to Israeli claims, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar is not hiding in Rafah, according to two officials familiar with the matter who spoke to Times of Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made targeting Hamas leadership a top priority, with Sinwar and his deputy, Mohammed Deif, remaining elusive despite repeated claims of being close to capture. Recent intelligence suggests Sinwar may be in underground tunnels in the Khan Younis area, five miles north of Rafah.

Netanyahu has pledged a major offensive, arguing it’s essential for defeating Hamas, which has four active battalions in the city. However, many Hamas fighters have reportedly fled northward as Israeli threats intensified. While 18 of Hamas’ 24 battalions have been dismantled, fighters have regrouped and returned to previously cleared areas.

The IDF faces challenges in Gaza City, with security officials warning of an ongoing cat-and-mouse game with Hamas until a viable alternative to Hamas rule is established.

Without a diplomatic strategy, IDF achievements have been short-lived, an Israeli official said.


Israel confirms that a large part of the fighting force of Hamas in Rafah escaped

Three well-informed Israeli officials confirmed to me that there are no more four Hamas battalions in Rafah. A large part of the fighting force left the city and its surroundings; He moved to Khan Younis, and perhaps also to the central camps. What remains are about two battalions in the west, probably in the Tel Sultan area. Some will say - what is important. Two battalions or four. The answer is that Hamas' move shows the conduct of the entire war. The organization has so far not tried to conduct large and massive battles with the IDF. It understands that it has no chance against an IDF division. Sinwar's bet was and remains simple: Hamas will survive underground longer than the IDF can stay above it.

Just yesterday we became aware of a new operation by the IDF in the Zeytun neighborhood. The IDF occupied this area, apparently, months ago. What else? The IDF did not stay. An occupation regime was not established in the Gaza Strip. There was no transition from house to house, and even if there was - the underground city of Hamas still serves as a central shelter for terrorists.

The IDF's war machine moves through the Strip, occupying, confronting terrorists, destroying tunnels. Then it leaves. A vacuum remains. It is immediately filled with Hamas. Israel did not even bother to maintain a buffer between Khan Younis and Rafah, to prevent the terrorists from moving from the city conquered, to the one that has already been conquered.

 

[Vanellus]

Do supporters of Israel support settlers destroying aid bound for Gaza?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789986866936029491

 

[rambot]

Uhhhhh, let's see.....the Arabs and Islamists could just leave them alone maybe.....that would work. Whew, I had to think a whole .3sec to come up with that one.

So, wandering off into 'What if......." land I see.

(Please excuse the extreme plagiarism being used) Or you could acknowledge that your overblown rhetoric about Israelis leads to suggest ridiculous ideas and suggestions.

https://imgur.com/IZkHHRh

Oh man! I wish those Gazans didn't force these Israelis to destroy humanitarian aid and baby powder meant for starving Gaza childrens.

If only Gazans knew not to tell Israelis to destory aid meant for starving children.

 

[Aviel]

https://imgur.com/IZkHHRh

Oh man! I wish those Gazans didn't force these Israelis to destroy humanitarian aid and baby powder meant for starving Gaza childrens.

If only Gazans knew not to tell Israelis to destory aid meant for starving children.

This is Noa Argamani... shown in the photos below.

She was kidnapped last OCT 7th, when Hamas came into Israel, and found 350 Young Israeli's having a celebration - festival.
Hamas slaughtered most of them.

What they did to Noa Armagami, is. .they raped her, and then they broke her legs so that she could not run, and then other's raped her.
Then they killed her, and put her body on the back of one of their White Trucks, (as seen in the actual AP photo below).. and drove it back to Gaza and found a city center, and slowing down, they drove the truck as Gaza Citizens who were aware of the Killing going on, actually came out, and stabbed Noa's dead body, because they wanted to desecrate a "Jew's body".

Later, Hamas cut off Noa Agamani's head, and eventually she was discovered during one of the IDF attacks that happened during the first 2 weeks subsequent to the Oct 7 Massacre.
You can see Noa laying face down and dead, and the HAMAS butchers all around her in the back of their truck. (2nd Photo).
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[essentialsaltes]

This is Noa Argamani... shown in the photos below.

Nope, it's Shani Louk. But even if you could get the facts straight, it's not an argument.

 

[Aviel]

Nope, it's Shani Louk. But even if you could get the facts straight, it's not an argument.

Thank you, my "typo", as both Noa and Shani were at that music festival and both were kidnapped by Hamas.

And you are certainly allowed to state your point of view regarding Slaughtered and Kidnapped Jews, "not being an argument". @essentialsaltes

Shani is shown in the previous post's photo, as dead on the Hamas TRUCK, and was be-headed later by Hamas.

Noa Argamani, is more of a mystery, as some information indicates that she was kidnapped by the Mobs of Gazan (Arab) Civilians who came into Israel after Hamas left, and went into the SLAUGHTERED villages to steal what they could carry back, as they stepped over the dead and bloody bodies of Jews, to get to their "stuff".
Some reports say that one of these Gaza Civilian Mobs, kidnapped NOA, and if that is the case then they would have handed her over to Hamas, afterwards, as they get a $$$$$$$$$ reward for this satanic behavior.


Here is NOA.
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[rambot]

This is Noa Argamani... shown in the photos below.

She was kidnapped last OCT 7th, when Hamas came into Israel, and found 350 Young Israeli's having a celebration - festival.
Hamas slaughtered most of them.

What they did to Noa Armagami, is. .they raped her, and then they broke her legs so that she could not run, and then other's raped her.
Then they killed her, and put her body on the back of one of their White Trucks, (as seen in the actual AP photo below).. and drove it back to Gaza and found a city center, and slowing down, they drove the truck as Gaza Citizens who were aware of the Killing going on, actually came out, and stabbed Noa's dead body, because they wanted to desecrate a "Jew's body".

Later, Hamas cut off Noa Agamani's head, and eventually she was discovered during one of the IDF attacks that happened during the first 2 weeks subsequent to the Oct 7 Massacre.
You can see Noa laying face down and dead, and the HAMAS butchers all around her in the back of their truck. (2nd Photo).
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However many stories you have of Hamas doing that to Israelis, there are 10 stories of the IDF doing it to Gazans and probably at least an equal number of Israelis.

I'm not surprised Hamas and Gazans were so desperate to try to inflict SOME KIND OF mental anguish on the average Israeli though certainly, it was twisted and a disturbed way of doing it. They are not in a position to raze Israeli homes, steal Israeli land, exacerbate Israeli suffering, cause the starvation of Israeli kids..

So I guess this was the only way to do it.


Nobody is good here.

 

[JosephZ]

I'm not surprised Hamas and Gazans were so desperate to try to inflict SOME KIND OF mental anguish on the average Israeli though certainly, it was twisted and a disturbed way of doing it. They are not in a position to raze Israeli homes, steal Israeli land, exacerbate Israeli suffering, cause the starvation of Israeli kids..

So I guess this was the only way to do it.

Your post reminded me of this quote from Hosam al-Taweel, a Palestinian Christian who ran on the Hamas ticket during the 2006 election:

"All occupied peoples have to fight for freeing their lands. Freeing your occupied land is an internationally legitimate right... When an F-16 targeted the home of Shaikh Salah Shehadi and killed about 18 civilians, children and women among them, they called that a security operation. But when Palestinians carry out an operation in which civilians are hurt or killed, they call it a terrorist act. I prefer that both sides leave civilians aside."

 

[Lukaris]

Hamas kills other Palestinians.

 

[Aviel]

However many stories you have of Hamas doing that to Israelis, there are 10 stories of the IDF doing it to Gazans and probably at least an equal number of Israelis.

IDF kills its own citizens, on purpose? Similar to how Hamas kills its own citizens?
Really?

= NEVER.

Well, my Home is in Israel, and i can assure you that the IDF is not killing its own.

I'll tell you what they did for these Arabs.

BY 2007, after Israel had given GAZA to the Arabs (Palestinians) the IDA was sent into Gaza to FORCE thousands of Jews out of their homes in Gaza so that the Palestinians could have it ALL to themselves.
These Israeli's had their homes there, and they didnt want to leave, but were forced to leave, so that these Arabs could have this entire place, situation, land.

Result?

19 yrs of "incoming Rockets", courtesy of GAZA and HAMAS.

19 Yrs of Kidnapping and murdering Jews using those tunnels.

19 Yrs of Jews having "gas masks" 5 feet away, at all times.

19 Yrs of Hamas and IRAN and its "associates" saying.>"Jews have no right to the land and no right to exit".

So, we must reject any "theology of equivalency" regarding the Hamas manufactured number of Arabs casualties, as any type of Justification for what THEY want to do to every Jew on the EARTH.

Arabs are dying in Gaza for the last 7+ months..., because Hamas came into Israel and put Jewish babies in ovens and turned them on, and cooked them, last OCT 7.
They wanted to remind the Jews of HITLER and the HOLOCAUST.
And that is just a small sample of the DEEDS these Islamic monsters committed.... and now Israel is going to kill every last breathing Hamas psychopath, unless they surrender, and they are not going to, as what is left are the psychos, and they will not let all the Kidnapped be set free as that signs Hamas's ultimate Death Warrant, so, they'll keep them so that they can stay alive and keep themselves next to Arab civilians, so that both die,.. and then as they hope..= Israel gets blamed, so that the Media can use this to create more Anti-Semitism.
It is what it is and some can see through it and some are caught up in it.

Israel has given HAMAS all these months to surrender and return the Hostages., as that ends the war, the killing, immediately.

"crickets"... other then the Leader of Hamas continuing to say.>"""""OCT 7 was just the 1st Wave, we are going to do it again and again until all the Jews are DEAD".

A.) Guess again Lying Islamic Devil, as the God and Father of Jesus The CHRIST... has "other plans".

Also, you never hear any "pro-palestinian" supporters talking about.>"If Hamas surrenders and the Kidnapped are returned, the ALL THIS KILLING ENDS.

The reality for this Forum is... .Had Hamas not come into Israel and killed 1400 Jews, then we are all on the forum arguing about the usual .....

"pre-destined"
"osas"
"trinity".
"trump".

 

[rambot]

IDF kills its own citizens, on purpose? Similar to how Hamas kills its own citizens?
Really?

= NEVER.

Well, my Home is in Israel, and i can assure you that the IDF is not killing its own.

I'll tell you what they did for these Arabs.

BY 2007, after Israel had given GAZA to the Arabs (Palestinians) the IDA was sent into Gaza to FORCE thousands of Jews out of their homes in Gaza so that the Palestinians could have it ALL to themselves.
These Israeli's had their homes there, and they didnt want to leave, but were forced to leave, so that these Arabs could have this entire place, situation, land.

Result?

19 yrs of "incoming Rockets", courtesy of GAZA and HAMAS.

19 Yrs of Kidnapping and murdering Jews using those tunnels.

19 Yrs of Jews having "gas masks" 5 feet away, at all times.

19 Yrs of Hamas and IRAN and its "associates" saying.>"Jews have no right to the land and no right to exit".

So, we must reject any "theology of equivalency" regarding the Hamas manufactured number of Arabs casualties, as any type of Justification for what THEY want to do to every Jew on the EARTH.

Arabs are dying in Gaza for the last 7+ months..., because Hamas came into Israel and put Jewish babies in ovens and turned them on, and cooked them, last OCT 7.
They wanted to remind the Jews of HITLER and the HOLOCAUST.
And that is just a small sample of the DEEDS these Islamic monsters committed.... and now Israel is going to kill every last breathing Hamas psychopath, unless they surrender, and they are not going to, as what is left are the psychos, and they will not let all the Kidnapped be set free as that signs Hamas's ultimate Death Warrant, so, they'll keep them so that they can stay alive and keep themselves next to Arab civilians, so that both die,.. and then as they hope..= Israel gets blamed, so that the Media can use this to create more Anti-Semitism.
It is what it is and some can see through it and some are caught up in it.

Israel has given HAMAS all these months to surrender and return the Hostages., as that ends the war, the killing, immediately.

"crickets"... other then the Leader of Hamas continuing to say.>"""""OCT 7 was just the 1st Wave, we are going to do it again and again until all the Jews are DEAD".

A.) Guess again Lying Islamic Devil, as the God and Father of Jesus The CHRIST... has "other plans".

Also, you never hear any "pro-palestinian" supporters talking about.>"If Hamas surrenders and the Kidnapped are returned, the ALL THIS KILLING ENDS.

The reality for this Forum is... .Had Hamas not come into Israel and killed 1400 Jews, then we are all on the forum arguing about the usual .....

"pre-destined"
"osas"
"trinity".
"trump".

You must REALLY hate those Jews in Israel who are calling for a ceasefire or who disagree with what the IDF and Netenyahu is doing in Gaza right now.

This whole post reads EXACTLY like JosephZ's quote too. "Gazans are MONSTERS. Israeli's fight a war".

I feel confident you don't even know what actions Israeli's and the IDF have taken against Gazan citizens that are the gasoline on the fire of hatred that burns against Jews.

 

[Aviel]

I feel confident you don't even know what actions Israeli's and the IDF have taken against Gazan citizens that are the gasoline on the fire of hatred that burns against Jews.

 

[Aviel]

This is recently posted by : Sky News - Australia
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[stevevw]

Hamas is a symptom of decades of injustices perpetrated by the Israeli government against the Palestinian people.

I don't think Hamas is the result of decades of injustices perpetrated by the Isreali government against the Palestinian people. The exact same MO can be found in the many ISIS groups, the many Ansar groups like Ansar al-Islam, Ansar al-Dine, Ansar Al Sunna and Ansar Al Sharia-Tunisia.

The many Islamic State groups, the many Al-Qa'ida groups, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Taliban, Boko Haram, the many Hezbollah groups such as Hezbollah in Latin America, Kata'ib Hezbollah and Hezbollah Al-Hejaz. The Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Ziyad al-Jarrah Battalions, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Army of Islam, Islamic Jihad Union, Palestine Liberation Front, Armed Islamic Group, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Abu Sayyaf Group, al-Shabaab, Armed Islamic Group of Algeria, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group.

The many Islamic State of Iraq groups such as Islamic State's West Africa Province and Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, the many Jemaah Islamiyah groups, Katibat al-Imam al-Bukhari, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, Al-Ashtar Brigades, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, Turkistan Islamic Party, Al-Akhtar Trust, Deendar Anjuman, Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front, Indian Mujahideen, International Sikh Youth Federation, Islam4UK, Islamic Renaissance Party of Tajikistan, Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Macina Liberation Front, Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam, Saraya al-Mukhtar, Tablighi Jamaat and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.

That is just some of the many Islamist extreme terrorist groups around the world in most countries and doing the same thing as Hamas is doing to Isreal but to other countries in forcing them to go along with Islam and to make Islamist States all over the world. Even within Muslim nations killing their own.

That is the radical Islamist MO and this is what we need to stop. Much of the terrorist groups are backed by Iran.

It will achieve nothing in the long term to ask Hamas to surrender, so long as the underlying conditions that created it persist. The road towards peace starts with Israel. Until Israel ends its occupation of the Palestinian territories and allows Palestinians the right to self-determination through the creation of a Palestinian state, there will be no peace.

It all starts with groups like Hamas stop commiting terrorism on innocent people. We know the west was the target before Covid and now its Isreal again. But the terrorist see the West as the same and they aim to disrupt and cause chaos in western nations to undermine democracy and our freedoms.

Isreal is not at fault. They are a democracy and Palestinians were able to move freely within Isreal before Hamas came along. Palestinians own busines, can get elected and even remove Isrealis from office as they have done in the past.

Isreal is not occupying Gaza. They gave Gaza to the Palestinians in a peace deal so they could create their own State but Hamas came along and destroyed any chances and then along with other Islamist groups refused to make any peace but rather commit terrorism.

Until groups like Hamas are removed there will be no peace. You cannot have peace with extremist who refuse to allow democracy and the freedom of its people. We only have to look at just about every Islamist nations to find the same human rights violations, oppression and fighting on their own people.

This has been brewing for some time where the world has ignored the growing radical Islam and now we have literally 100s of terrorist groups around the world all threatening world peace.

The best and only way peace can come is through something like the Abraham Accord where a number of Muslim nations like Jordan, Syria, UAE, Egypt, Yemen and Omar join together in an agreement to accept Isreal existing as a State so that it backs Iran and its proxies into a corner. That way the Arabs and Muslims are entering into an accord between themselves without outside interference and if Iran causes problems then they can join forces to oust them into isolation. Iran would then be acting against its own people and expose them as being a road block to peace.

 

[Aviel]

The best and only way peace can come is through something like the Abraham Accord

BINGO..... we have a WINNER.

That situation, is what IRAN is trying to destroy, derail, stop.....

This is one of the main reasons they Sent IN Hamas.......whereas before the "Accords' were in progress......Iran would just have its proxies fire Rockets into Israel for the last 20+ yrs.

Iran is the head of the Satanic Islamic Snake, and Hamas and Hezbollah and others similar are just the Snake's puppet soldiers

Many Christians have no idea that The Islamic SAVIOR. their MAHDI... is the Christian's Anti-Christ.

The Quran - Hadith, .. teach that for the Mahdi, The Islamic Savior.......for him to show up... Islam has to create world wide chaos..

And just look around, Reader.... as its everywhere SUDDENLY.......... and Islam wants this = as their Holy Books tell them to cause it, so that their Mahdi, will COME.
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And the Mahdi...... is the Christian's.= Anti-Christ.

 

[JosephZ]

That is just some of the many Islamist extreme terrorist groups around the world in most countries and doing the same thing as Hamas is doing to Isreal but to other countries in forcing them to go along with Islam and to make Islamist States all over the world. Even within Muslim nations killing their own.

Some on that list aren't Islamic. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the Palestine Liberation Front, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are all secular and have both Muslim and Christian members. They are Palestinian nationalist terrorist groups rather than Islamic fundamentalists.

The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) was founded by and is currently led by a Jordanian Christian, Nayif Hawatmeh. The DFLP's militant wing, the National Resistance Brigades, participated in the October 7th terrorist attack on Israel. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded by George Habash, a Christian, and is one of the most radical and militant Palestinian factions. Chris Bandak, a Christian, was a former leader of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. He was arrested at the Church of the Nativity after he killed at least two Israelis and seriously wounded a third in 2002. He received four life sentences. Hamas fought for his release as part of a prisoner exchange, and he was released in 2011. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades also participated in the October 7th terrorist attack.

The conflict between Palestinians and the Israeli government is about land rights and injustice, not religion.

 

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[Aviel]

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades,

AAMB conducts military-style assaults, rocket attacks, bombings, ambushes, and suicide operations against military personnel and civilians in Israel. The group originally targeted Israeli forces and Jewish settlers in the Palestinian territories but shifted to targets inside Israel in 2002.

FOREIGN TERRORIST GROUP DESIGNATION
The US State Department designated AAMB as a foreign terrorist organization in March 2002.

The conflict between Palestinians and the Israeli government is about land rights and injustice, not religion.

Iran's LEADERSHIP... = who sent in Hamas to murder Jews last OCT 7th ..., and who puppeteers ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis', ..... is not interested in Land.

Listen, Israel as LAND......in Size, as compared to the ARAB's LAND who are all around Israel...........Have you seen the Map?

So, Iran and those controlled by Iran's Doctrine... are not trying to get the land, they are trying to get rid of ALL Jews, and not just those in Israel.