Pro-Family Leaders Urge U.S. Christians to Fight Homosexual Groundswell

[EvolvEarth]

If we were in Heaven, I would agree with you... But, we are on the earth... Therefore, without religion to keep most morally straight and in fear of an eternal judgement, you would have multitudes of individuals who would be under NO restraint to do what they desire to get what they want.... This includes stealing, lying, killing, etc....

Without religion, what would prevent people from raping, killing, and the like, to gratify their fleshly desires???

Most people get their morals from a combination of their genetics and environment. Most people don't use religion to justify their morality. Many criminals have been shown to have bad environmental upbringing, bad genetic, and/or neurological problems. Believe it or not, religion is someone people use to show their morals are superior to others. Religion has lifted the restraint from people so that they could steal, lie, kill, et cetera. As you can see by history, much horrible crimes have been committed because of their interpretation of their religious doctrines say and use religion as an excuse to kill. You know it, I know it, we all know it. A person does not choose his or her morality, a person's morality is thrusted onto her or him, and which is why we can't control our guilt for doing something we think is wrong.

Saying religion provides a restraint is going against all logic.

 

[ifriit]

Without religion, what would prevent people from raping, killing, and the like, to gratify their fleshly desires???

Honestly... Look, if you can't answer this question yourself, please don't ever become an atheist, because apparently religion is all that keeps your sociopathic tendencies in line.

 

[cbk]

Most people get their morals from a combination of their genetics and environment. Most people don't use religion to justify their morality. Many criminals have been shown to have bad environmental upbringing, bad genetic, and/or neurological problems. Believe it or not, religion is someone people use to show their morals are superior to others. Religion has lifted the restraint from people so that they could steal, lie, kill, et cetera. As you can see by history, much horrible crimes have been committed because of their interpretation of their religious doctrines say and use religion as an excuse to kill. You know it, I know it, we all know it. A person does not choose his or her morality, a person's morality is thrusted onto her or him, and which is why we can't control our guilt for doing something we think is wrong.

Saying religion provides a restraint is going against all logic.

What you say may be true, however, NO religion will NEVER happen through the efforts of man. A reverse persecution would have to take place to stop religions growth.

Secondly, if there IS a God who desires praise from his creations, then what?

 

[Volos]

Originally Posted By: cbk What you say may be true, however, NO religion will NEVER happen through the efforts of man. A reverse persecution would have to take place to stop religions growth.

Secondly, if there IS a God who desires praise from his creations, then what?

Your double negative made your post a bit difficult to understand, I think you meant that no religion will ever happen through efforts of man. To which I will disagree, ALL religions are man made constructions. Secondly if such a god exists why is it my job to stoke his or her ego?

 

[EvolvEarth]

cbk, I agree with Volos on the fact that all religions are man made, including Christianity. Now, if there is a god, I surely hope it's not the Christian one because he has such a horrible moral system that seems not to do so well for his followers. For some reason, a God that strikes fear in the hearts of men doesn't appeal to me very well.

 

[cbk]

cbk, I agree with Volos on the fact that all religions are man made, including Christianity. Now, if there is a god, I surely hope it's not the Christian one because he has such a horrible moral system that seems not to do so well for his followers. For some reason, a God that strikes fear in the hearts of men doesn't appeal to me very well.

Understood, and I respect that... Although I do disagree..

 

[cbk]

[/size]Your double negative made your post a bit difficult to understand, I think you meant that no religion will ever happen through efforts of man. To which I will disagree, ALL religions are man made constructions. Secondly if such a god exists why is it my job to stoke his or her ego?

You are correct in my error in the usage of the word never, thank you.

If you disagree, then exactly, hypothetically, how would you propose or plan to successfully end ALL religions during, say, the next 1,000 years??? Since, they are manmade constructions, they can be destroyed.

 

[crazyfingers]

If we were in Heaven, I would agree with you... But, we are on the earth... Therefore, without religion to keep most morally straight and in fear of an eternal judgement, you would have multitudes of individuals who would be under NO restraint to do what they desire to get what they want.... This includes stealing, lying, killing, etc....

Nice hypothosis. However there is no evidence that I know of to support your claim. In fact, all the evi9dnce supports the observation that atheists behave easily as well as nonatheists in our society.

Without religion, what would prevent people from raping, killing, and the like, to gratify their fleshly desires???

Please! If that statement was correct then all atheists would be in prison right now. Fact is that atheists represent a smaller share of the prison population than they represent in the population at large. This shows that atheists are at least as good and possibly better at not doing what you describe. The exception is the issue of "fleshy desires" and to that I have no data. But, note that Born again CHristains and Evangelicals have a higher devorce rate than do atheists.

In sum, your theory is based on fear rather than facts.

 

[Lillithspeak]

If we were in Heaven, I would agree with you... But, we are on the earth... Therefore, without religion to keep most morally straight and in fear of an eternal judgement, you would have multitudes of individuals who would be under NO restraint to do what they desire to get what they want.... This includes stealing, lying, killing, etc....

Without religion, what would prevent people from raping, killing, and the like, to gratify their fleshly desires???

Well, now that I've quit laughing, I can answer you.

1. A sense of decency?
2. Ethics?
3. A loving community?
4. Love?

Why is it Christians think the only way a society stays moral is if it has religion? Thousands and thousands of societies, small and large, have come and gone and come and gone without religion to keep them from murdering each other (kinda unproductive if you need each other to survive the elements), raping the women (the other folks might not go along with it and want to smack you upside the head or worse) the same with stealing and so on. Your community doesn't tolerate this sort of behavior, it has nothing to do with religion.

For example, no religious upbringing, never broke a law, never raped, looted, or pillaged anyone-my folks, my brother, my niece and nephew, myself, my kids. See? Just everyday decency. And that's 8 folks I can vouch for personally.

Lillith

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

For atheists nothing would change. Maybe christians need a God to police them but atheists don't.

 

[Jet Black]

If you disagree, then exactly, hypothetically, how would you propose or plan to successfully end ALL religions during, say, the next 1,000 years??? Since, they are manmade constructions, they can be destroyed.

first of all, just because something is a manmade construction, this does not mean it cannot be destroyed. Secondly, I don't really see religions as an actively made construction, although they are manmade. Religions can be seen as an evolution of ideas.... primitive people wanted an explanation for simple things, like why the sun came up, and why the crops grew at a certain time. these things became personified, perhaps with ritual and the seed of religion was born in nature worship. the additional personification of these things leads to polytheistic religions and the convept of a divine, and then we have the idea of life after death... again brought about by poeple's limited understanding of life. All the modern religions leach off one another, and also older religions, and what we have now is a battle between different ideologies. In a religious sense, it will be very easy to see which of these ideologies wins out in the end.. personally it would be nice to see some game theory play a part (and it is). Religions cannot be actively destroyed.... it is a product of man, but not nescessarily made by man.

 

[Lanakila]

*Mod Hat On* This thread is hopelessly off topic. That would be a good thing except that that OP and first through pages make this thread hopeless, before it got off topic. The homosexual threads belong in the sexuality forum, and there are enough of those over there. I am therefore closing this thread. *Mod Hat Off*