Pro-abortion protesting behavior...

[TinkaBella]

So is your attempt to get people not to follow their own convictions by doing what their heart leads them to do - harrassment and manipulation?

If it involves injecting themselves into someone else's life who didn't ask them to be there...yes.

 

[Steezie]

So hearing what "mary" said wouldnt be credible either then?

Why would Mary lie? She cares nothing about politics

 

[Angel4Truth]

Why would Mary lie? She cares nothing about politics

I dont know that there is a mary. Like you said , second hand accounts without substantiation arent credible. You cannot have it both ways. If you think one person cannot give an account that you cannot witness , you cannot claim reverse for yourself and your thread.

 

[Steezie]

I dont know that there is a mary. Like you said , second hand accounts without substantiation arent credible. You cannot have it both ways. If you think one person cannot give an account that you cannot witness , you cannot claim reverse for yourself and your thread.

The second hand account I provided is backed up by the experiences of others.

The account of someone who heard it from a priest who heard it from someone that makes an outlandish claim and has NOTHING reputable backing it up is much more suspect

 

[Angel4Truth]

You have nothing to back up your story about "mary" you expect us just to take your word on it even though since 1995 there have been buffer laws in place to protect people from harrassment in the "doorways" of clinics so there is no good reason without substantiation that there were arrests that day to believe "mary's" story. As to why "mary" would lie if she exists at all you said it yourself in the other thread here :

Theres people on both sides determined to win no matter what they have to do

 

[HazyRigby]

So is your attempt to get people not to follow their own convictions by doing what their heart leads them to do - harrassment and manipulation?[/font]

If I were shouting it at you when you were in a stressful and uncomfortable situation, then yes, it would be.

I consider the meat-packing industry to be inhumane and cruel. This, however, does not give me the right to "demonstrate" beside your table in a restaurant (or even outside it), shouting slogans such as "Meat is murder."

Your moral ideals do not give you the right to harass people, and to do so is unethical.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I heard a priest talk of such people urinating on pro-life protesters and barbequeing fetuses. Any thoughts or comments?

Yep...how about BS.

...and you know it full well.

 

[Autumnleaf]

Yep...how about BS.

...and you know it full well.

I know the Pastor of my church is a tight you know what. He wore sun glasses and left his priest clothes at home when he showed up at the prolife demonstration. He would not have some guy claiming what the Priest claimed in his church unless there was truth behind it. Even then I think God, or a few elders from the congregation, must have twisted his arm a bit.

The fellow who spoke said he was a priest and claimed to be a retired light colonel, he said he'd been to prison several times fighting for unborn babies. He praised Mary and God and seemed to be a fanatic against what he called the culture of death. He did say they bar b qued babies and peed on pro life demonstrators. His name escapes me and I personally don't feel drawn to his cause. His sincerity was not suspect to me.

 

[Steezie]

You have nothing to back up your story about "mary" you expect us just to take your word on it even though since 1995 there have been buffer laws in place to protect people from harrassment in the "doorways" of clinics so there is no good reason without substantiation that there were arrests that day to believe "mary's" story. As to why "mary" would lie if she exists at all you said it yourself in the other thread here :

Whatever.

We are far less inclined to take seriously the statements of people who disagree with us, no matter how down to earth they sound

 

[Monica02]

If I were shouting it at you when you were in a stressful and uncomfortable situation, then yes, it would be.

I consider the meat-packing industry to be inhumane and cruel. This, however, does not give me the right to "demonstrate" beside your table in a restaurant (or even outside it), shouting slogans such as "Meat is murder."

Your moral ideals do not give you the right to harass people, and to do so is unethical.

Actually you do have a right on public property outside of restaurants to demonstrate against the consumtion of meat. You also could walk up to someone in a restaruant and discuss the issue with them and hand them literature. The owner probably could ask you to leave but you could still talk to the people.

 

[Monica02]

They're clearly already having major second thoughts if they come over to talk to you.

Yup. That is why we are there - for people who are not sure they want to abort their unborn child.

 

[Monica02]

Now, I know you're going to take what I say next as an affirmation that you're doing the right thing (people who would take days out of their lives to yell at people they do not know usually have a pretty solid persecution complex going already), but here goes, anyway:

If what you're referring to is standing out in front of an abortion clinic trying to talk people out of having abortions, that's not "counseling." That's harassment. Think it's not? Do you raise your voice at people who did not ask for your input? Does your group ever say things like, "Please don't kill your baby"?

I know you'll continue doing it no matter what I say, but what you're doing is immoral, unethical, and pretty horrible. You're preying on emotional, stressed, anxiety-ridden people about to undergo a surgical procedure. Even if half of the people you talk to do decide against abortion (a figure I seriously doubt), you can chalk that up not to the power or righteousness or your argument but to the strength of emotional harassment and manipulation.

Scaring people out of making a decision for themselves is just about as low as a person can get on the ol' ethics totem pole, as far as I'm concerned. Why can't abortion protesters just go plant their own darn cabbages and let people live?

I never yell or raise my voice. I simply stand at the driveway entrance with literature, signs and baby gifts and talk to people who stop.


The people do make the decision for themselves -
they either decide to continue with the abortion or they decide to not after talking to one of us.

 

[Steezie]

The people do make the decision for themselves -

After you try to guilt them into leaving

 

[Monica02]

After you try to guilt them into leaving

Why should they feel guilty?

 

[Skaloop]

Why should they feel guilty?

Because you (meaning pro-life protesters) make them think they are murdering a baby.

 

[Monica02]

Because you (meaning pro-life protesters) make them think they are murdering a baby.

I never even use the wore "murder". Why would they think that they are murdering a baby?

I simply offer them aid, show them fetal development pictures and pictures of the "medical procedure" they are considering.

 

[Skaloop]

I never even use the wore "murder". Why would they think that they are murdering a baby?

I simply offer them aid, show them fetal development pictures and pictures of the "medical procedure" they are considering.

What sort of aid? Financial aid? Post-natal aid? Childcare aid? Because that's what a lot of them need. What they don't need is a stranger who is not a medical professional meddling in their personal health-related activities.

 

[Texas Lynn]

So are you saying that the deathscorts were perhaps trying to protect the abortion bound lady from us?

The only violence at that clinic (other than the abortions) has been when one of the deathscorts shoved a pro-lifer and an out of control police officer (who is currently in the process of being fired for his actions ) verbally assaulted us and touched us inappropiatly and poked one of us. The deathscorts call the police for if we so much as sneeze and their complaints were getting so ridiculous that our lawyer had to have a talk with the Police Department. This harassment from the deathscorts and the police has since been halted.

It would seem that the this poor abortion bound lady needs protected from the dathscorts - not the pro-lifers.

I'm not going to argue anecdotal evidence. But your use of epithets does not add to your credibility. I suppose you would say the same thing if they called you a fetus fetishist.

 

[Texas Lynn]

"pro-abortion", "deathscorts"? Oh my.....I think my IQ just dropped a few points. How can anyone take words like this, or the people that use them, seriously? Last time I heard made up names like that was on the grammar school playground.

I guess some subjects just can't be discussed in a mature way.

LOL!

 

[Texas Lynn]

Barbecuing fetuses? Sounds like propaganda to me. I mean, where would they get the fetuses? While I cannot rule out the possibility of some really perverse abortion providers doing such things hidden in private, I have a hard time imagining how such things could be arranged to happen during protests. Sounds very counterproductive to me.

Obviously it's hyperbole used to propagandize the gullible.