Pro-abortion protesting behavior...

[Texas Lynn]

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[FONT=verdana, geneva, helvetica]Seems clear to me eh[/FONT]

Clear as mud. What's your point?

 

[Monica02]

Threats, vandalism, and phonecalls.....

On the OTHER side of the coin, you have pro-life people murdering abortion doctors and burning down clinics. Im really not seeing the comparison here

And I see no comparison between a few, murderous people who wrongly claim to be pro-lifers and the pro-lifers I know and the vast majority of all pro-lifers.


The fact is the only violence and harrassment at the clinic where I demonstrate has not been conducted by the pro-lifers.

 

[TinkaBella]

"pro-abortion", "deathscorts"? Oh my.....I think my IQ just dropped a few points. How can anyone take words like this, or the people that use them, seriously? Last time I heard made up names like that was on the grammar school playground.

I guess some subjects just can't be discussed in a mature way.

 

[KomissarSteve]

And I see no comparison between a few, murderous people who wrongly claim to be pro-lifers and the pro-lifers I know and the vast majority of all pro-lifers.


The fact is the only violence and harrassment at the clinic where I demonstrate has not been conducted by the pro-lifers.

First of all, anecdotal evidence means very little in the face of strong documented evidence (ie: that pro-lifers, and not pro-choicers, have done the bombings and the shootings).

Secondly, my point in bringing up this violence is to explain why the attendant kept the woman from getting too close to your group.

 

[Futuwwa]

I heard a priest talk of such people urinating on pro-life protesters and barbequeing fetuses. Any thoughts or comments?

Barbecuing fetuses? Sounds like propaganda to me. I mean, where would they get the fetuses? While I cannot rule out the possibility of some really perverse abortion providers doing such things hidden in private, I have a hard time imagining how such things could be arranged to happen during protests. Sounds very counterproductive to me.

 

[blazinblue2006]

Thats ridiculous. Prolly an urban myth. If thats true then thats ridiculous.

 

[Monica02]

First of all, anecdotal evidence means very little in the face of strong documented evidence (ie: that pro-lifers, and not pro-choicers, have done the bombings and the shootings).

Secondly, my point in bringing up this violence is to explain why the attendant kept the woman from getting too close to your group.

Our group has never committed any violent act whatsoever so why should the deathscorts have thought that we would all of a sudden become violent?

The deathscorts themselves have no problem standing in close proximity to us all morning. The clinic owner feels no need to to hire any form of security.

The owner did hire an off duty police officer last year when he wrongly believed that the officer would prevent women from talking to us. The officer had to explain that he only could assure that the driveway was not blocked and that he had no authority whatsoever to stop the pro-lifers from talking to people. Anyhow, the whole police thing was stopped when the police department realized they made a big mistake in allowing the police to work for an abortion clinic. Equal protection under the law - you know.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Our group has never committed any violent act whatsoever so why should the deathscorts have thought that we would all of a sudden become violent?

Because they can't say for sure that your group hasn't been biding its time and networking with other pro-life groups to commit another terrorist act. It's not likely, but I'm sure it's not a chance they'd like to take.

 

[Monica02]

Because they can't say for sure that your group hasn't been biding its time and networking with other pro-life groups to commit another terrorist act. It's not likely, but I'm sure it's not a chance they'd like to take.

I suppose no one can know for sure what someone will do in the future. Now there is a history of the clinic bothching abortions and women being unable to have children because of these mistakes. Maybe the deathscorts should try to protect women from the clinic.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I suppose no one can know for sure what someone will do in the future. Now there is a history of the clinic bothching abortions and women being unable to have children because of these mistakes. Maybe the deathscorts should try to protect women from the clinic.

There's a pretty profound difference between the risks inherent in a surgical procedure, of which all abortion patients are informed beforehand, and a pattern of premeditated killings that are perpetrated by a small, specific group of society - ie: pro-life activists.

Sure, nobody can know for sure what someone will do in the future - but they CAN know that one ideological group of people is more LIKELY to do something in the future than another ideological group.

 

[Monica02]

There's a pretty profound difference between the risks inherent in a surgical procedure, of which all abortion patients are informed beforehand, and a pattern of premeditated killings that are perpetrated by a small, specific group of society - ie: pro-life activists.

Sure, nobody can know for sure what someone will do in the future - but they CAN know that one ideological group of people is more LIKELY to do something in the future than another ideological group.

So you believe that these deathscorts who stand only feet away from us for several hours every Saturday on a busy road in broad daylight think that there is a liklihood that we will someday become murderous?

You can believe whatever you want.

A more likely explaination is that these people know that about half the women who talk to us choose to not abort. They are pro-abortion and cannot stand that we offer women an alternative and that sometimes women choose life after meeting with us.

 

[KomissarSteve]

So you believe that these deathscorts who stand only feet away from us for several hours every Saturday on a busy road in broad daylight think that there is a liklihood that we will someday become murderous?

I never said that; don't strawman me. I said that they are more likely than another activist group - not likely in the grand scheme of things.

A more likely explaination is that these people know that about half the women who talk to us choose to not abort.

They're clearly already having major second thoughts if they come over to talk to you.

They are pro-abortion

No they're not.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

But here is the thing the second they tell kids how to have sex the promply go out and seek the experience.

Provide some support for this claim, please, or retract it.

Many will forget about the "protection", which is only effective again certain things, and the result is pregnant children.

"Protection" is effective against pregnancy and the vast majority of sexually transmitted diseases. And that's a protection people aren't taught about under "abstinence only" education.

It has gotten so bad now that 6th graders are having sex.

Provide some support for the claim that 6th graders are having sex becuase of sex education, or retract it.

Try this little experiment compaire time line poll of students saying they have had sex to a time line poll of when sex education is given to the children.

No, YOU do it. It's YOUR claim - it's up to YOU to support it. Please do so or retract it.

You will find that this idea that all sex education does is encourage sexual activity pans out nicely.

Great, then provide some support for "this idea".

You can't, of course, because it's complete nonsense. Study after study shows that the best way to minimise teen preganancy and STDs is comprehensive sex education. They also show that the WORST way to minimise teen pregnancy and STDs is 'abstinence-only' sex education.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

So are you saying that the deathscorts were perhaps trying to protect the abortion bound lady from us?

The only violence at that clinic (other than the abortions) has been when one of the deathscorts shoved a pro-lifer and an out of control police officer (who is currently in the process of being fired for his actions ) verbally assaulted us and touched us inappropiatly and poked one of us. The deathscorts call the police for if we so much as sneeze and their complaints were getting so ridiculous that our lawyer had to have a talk with the Police Department. This harassment from the deathscorts and the police has since been halted.

It would seem that the this poor abortion bound lady needs protected from the dathscorts - not the pro-lifers.

Why is anyone even debating the issue with a person who'd use a term like "deathscorts"?

 

[Caitlin.ann]

Why is anyone even debating the issue with a person who'd use a term like "deathscorts"?

You know, I was thinking the same thing. Lol. Thanks for voicing it.

 

[Angel4Truth]

"I hear this guy say..." does not count as credible.

So hearing what "mary" said wouldnt be credible either then?

 

[HazyRigby]

So hearing what "mary" said wouldnt be credible either then?

No.

 

[HazyRigby]

Well, not that your post has anything to do whith the situation at the abortion clinic where I counsel . . .

Now, I know you're going to take what I say next as an affirmation that you're doing the right thing (people who would take days out of their lives to yell at people they do not know usually have a pretty solid persecution complex going already), but here goes, anyway:

If what you're referring to is standing out in front of an abortion clinic trying to talk people out of having abortions, that's not "counseling." That's harassment. Think it's not? Do you raise your voice at people who did not ask for your input? Does your group ever say things like, "Please don't kill your baby"?

I know you'll continue doing it no matter what I say, but what you're doing is immoral, unethical, and pretty horrible. You're preying on emotional, stressed, anxiety-ridden people about to undergo a surgical procedure. Even if half of the people you talk to do decide against abortion (a figure I seriously doubt), you can chalk that up not to the power or righteousness or your argument but to the strength of emotional harassment and manipulation.

Scaring people out of making a decision for themselves is just about as low as a person can get on the ol' ethics totem pole, as far as I'm concerned. Why can't abortion protesters just go plant their own darn cabbages and let people live?

 

[Angel4Truth]

I know you'll continue doing it no matter what I say, but what you're doing is immoral, unethical, and pretty horrible. You're preying on emotional, stressed, anxiety-ridden people about to undergo a surgical procedure. Even if half of the people you talk to do decide against abortion (a figure I seriously doubt), you can chalk that up not to the power or righteousness or your argument but to the strength of emotional harassment and manipulation.

Scaring people out of making a decision for themselves is just about as low as a person can get on the ol' ethics totem pole, as far as I'm concerned. Why can't abortion protesters just go plant their own darn cabbages and let people live?

So is your attempt to get people not to follow their own convictions by doing what their heart leads them to do - harrassment and manipulation?

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Now, I know you're going to take what I say next as an affirmation that you're doing the right thing (people who would take days out of their lives to yell at people they do not know usually have a pretty solid persecution complex going already), but here goes, anyway:

If what you're referring to is standing out in front of an abortion clinic trying to talk people out of having abortions, that's not "counseling." That's harassment. Think it's not? Do you raise your voice at people who did not ask for your input? Does your group ever say things like, "Please don't kill your baby"?

I know you'll continue doing it no matter what I say, but what you're doing is immoral, unethical, and pretty horrible. You're preying on emotional, stressed, anxiety-ridden people about to undergo a surgical procedure. Even if half of the people you talk to do decide against abortion (a figure I seriously doubt), you can chalk that up not to the power or righteousness or your argument but to the strength of emotional harassment and manipulation.

Scaring people out of making a decision for themselves is just about as low as a person can get on the ol' ethics totem pole, as far as I'm concerned. Why can't abortion protesters just go plant their own darn cabbages and let people live?

Excellently put. I can think of few activities purported to be good which are as hideous and repulsive as protesting outside a clinic which offers abortions. IMO, everyone who performs such an act should be terribly ashamed of themselves.