Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

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For His glory. Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 43:1-4
Bible Prophecy is clear; there will be a new Temple in the end times and in the Millennium. But not for Eternity. Revelation 21:22

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As I above said (post #25) That story of building the 3rd temple is like the story that was invented about the sacrifice of a red heifer. None of this will happen.
What will really happen is written in Revelation 11:v.2- The COURT which is WITHOUT the temple... will be given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city -JERUSALEM- which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified, it shall they tread under foot forty and two months -1260 days. In LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 13:v.2, the Dragon will give to the MAN Beast of sea-the Pope- his Power, and his Throne (in Jerusalem), and great Authority, and Revelation 13:v.5-9 will literally fulfill:

5 And there was given unto him (unto the MAN Beast of sea-the Pope) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened (will open) his mouth in blasphemy against GOD, to blaspheme his name-JESUS-, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (heaven has nothing to do with sky-Eph.1:v.3)

7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Take a look in Revelation 16:v.13-15)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

[Timtofly]

The Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem. Remember, Paul said the man of sin will sit in the temple declaring he is God. And that didn'e occur in the old temple. Plus, the AOD mentioned by Jesus didn't occur in it, either, so there must be a temple or the AOD to occur in.

No, God will build the temple at the Second Coming. Anything built prior to the Second Coming will be destroyed at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14. The throne and temple will be the same place. No one could sit in the OT temples. Jesus will sit on His glorious throne in His temple in Jerusalem during the Trumpets and Thunders. At the 7th Trumpet, all nations will be handed over to the authority of Jesus.

Only then in the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet, will there be an interruption per Daniel 9:27. It is that interruption when Satan may be granted 42 months to sit as God on that that throne in that temple in Jerusalem. He and his FP spokesman.

Jesus will be on that throne when the 7th Seal is opened. If Satan is allowed 42 months of AoD, then Jesus returns at Armageddon and kills any humans alive. Throws the FP and the beast/image into the LOF. And Satan is bound for 1,000 years. Jerusalem and the temple are not destroyed completely when that earthquake shakes up Satan's kingdom. But all that Satan did will be undone, and all things restored from Satan's 42 months.

 

[rwb]

For His glory. Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 43:1-4
Bible Prophecy is clear; there will be a new Temple in the end times and in the Millennium. But not for Eternity. Revelation 21:22

For what purpose Keras???

 

[robycop3]

Even if another physical temple were built, what would be the purpose? It certainly would not be to the glory of God!

For the fulfillment of prophecies about the AOD.

 

[robycop3]

Why will they build it???

To have a place to perform animal sacrifices and other Old Covenant laws & rules.

 

[robycop3]

Presumptions and speculations, conjectures, imaginations, opinions, they mean nothing and are good for nothing, that's exactly the way the Devil likes, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from God's perspective.

First, what does the Word of GOD say? What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. Jeremiah 7:v.4&8 & 12:
4 - Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these.
8 - Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.

Secondly: What does the Lord JESUS said? JESUS said the holy city will be trodden by the Gentile peoples, as follows-Revelation 11:v.2: Do you know when?
The COURT which is WITHOUT the TEMPLE (in Jerusalem) leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (there will be a Throne, not a Temple), this is because THE MAN OF SIN, a former cherub incarnated, the false messiah(John 5:v.43-47) and Revelation 13:v.2 says that the false messiah "will give his Power, and his Trone in Jerusalem, and great Authority to the MAN Beast of sea-a Gentilic Beast-the Pope, and the great harlot-the universal Roman Catholic Church-which rides upon the Beast of sea. THIS 42 MONTHS WITHOUT THE TEMPLE are the period of the FIRST HALF of the last week of years, that is the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27 , afterwards, the second half of the week , the enthroned satanic God will rule the second HALF OF THE LAST WEEK and the AOD will be established in Jerusalem for 1290 days. WITHOUT TEMPLE, THERE WILL NOT BE TEMPLE.

Therefore, the last week of years(which may be even is this current decade-2020-2030) is the last period and also the END of the existence of the of the Devil's world. Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more.
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THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS ESTABLISHED - Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 combined with Luke 20:v.35-36, among other references. Check it, be carefull, and get ready for the end of all things, including the two Covenants-the Old and New Testaments-2 Peter 3:v.7. The Word is GOD, The Word is self executing, understanding?

The abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus hasn't yet occurred, & there must be a temple for it to occur in. As for Jerusalem being trod underfoot by gentiles, that's occurring right now, as many gentiles visit the holy places of Islam & Christendom within the city.

 

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For the fulfillment of prophecies about the AOD.

You'll have to present Scripture to prove this opinion???

 

[robycop3]

No, God will build the temple at the Second Coming. Anything built prior to the Second Coming will be destroyed at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14. The throne and temple will be the same place. No one could sit in the OT temples. Jesus will sit on His glorious throne in His temple in Jerusalem during the Trumpets and Thunders. At the 7th Trumpet, all nations will be handed over to the authority of Jesus.

Only then in the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet, will there be an interruption per Daniel 9:27. It is that interruption when Satan may be granted 42 months to sit as God on that that throne in that temple in Jerusalem. He and his FP spokesman.

Jesus will be on that throne when the 7th Seal is opened. If Satan is allowed 42 months of AoD, then Jesus returns at Armageddon and kills any humans alive. Throws the FP and the beast/image into the LOF. And Satan is bound for 1,000 years. Jerusalem and the temple are not destroyed completely when that earthquake shakes up Satan's kingdom. But all that Satan did will be undone, and all things restored from Satan's 42 months.

No, the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem so the AOD can occur in it, as part of 2 Thess. 2:4. Jesus won't return til this occurs.

 

[rwb]

To have a place to perform animal sacrifices and other Old Covenant laws & rules.

You're surely not being serious??? To re-introduce the Mosaic Law after Christ has made the ultimate sacrifice and fulfilled all that is written in the Law and Prophets would most assuredly not be to the glory of God. What would be the purpose for re-introducing the Old sacrificial law of Moses? It will most certainly assure their condemnation in the lake of fire.

 

[rwb]

The abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus hasn't yet occurred, & there must be a temple for it to occur in. As for Jerusalem being trod underfoot by gentiles, that's occurring right now, as many gentiles visit the holy places of Islam & Christendom within the city.

Do you know what the AOD is?

 

[robycop3]

You'll have to present Scripture to prove this opinion???

2 Thess. 2:4 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

This event didn't occur in the old temple before it was destroyed.

 

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2 Thess. 2:4 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

This event didn't occur in the old temple before it was destroyed.

Paul is speaking to the Church at Thessalonia about what is happening in the Church, not the temple of old. According to Paul the man of sin, the son of perdition will be with or among believers in the temple of God, which Christians are.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

To 'sitteth' in the temple of God simply means he is with the body of Christ, the Church because the Church being Christians are the temple of God.

Sitteth is defined from the Greek word kathízō which means to seat down, i.e. set (figuratively, appoint); intransitively, to sit (down); figuratively, to settle (hover, dwell):—continue, set, sit (down), tarry.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Apparently some among them are trying to say that Christ has either already come again and they missed being caught up in the air with Him, or that His coming again was imminent. Neither of which is true. So, Paul explains that the coming of our Lord and our gathering unto Him will not come until certain things first come to pass. Then the wicked will be revealed and will be destroyed with the brightness of His coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[Timtofly]

No, the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem so the AOD can occur in it, as part of 2 Thess. 2:4. Jesus won't return til this occurs.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the 1,000 year millennium) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

"Of God" means built by God. The verse does not say the temple of the Jews for God. The Millennium will not start, before this happens. Certainly the Second Coming will happen, because God and the Lamb build the temple.

 

[Timtofly]

Paul is speaking to the Church at Thessalonia about what is happening in the Church, not the temple of old. According to Paul the man of sin, the son of perdition will be with or among believers in the temple of God, which Christians are.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

To 'sitteth' in the temple of God simply means he is with the body of Christ, the Church because the Church being Christians are the temple of God.

Sitteth is defined from the Greek word kathízō which means to seat down, i.e. set (figuratively, appoint); intransitively, to sit (down); figuratively, to settle (hover, dwell):—continue, set, sit (down), tarry.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Apparently some among them are trying to say that Christ has either already come again and they missed being caught up in the air with Him, or that His coming again was imminent. Neither of which is true. So, Paul explains that the coming of our Lord and our gathering unto Him will not come until certain things first come to pass. Then the wicked will be revealed and will be destroyed with the brightness of His coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

So Revelation 13 is all about sitting in the body of Christ? Revelation 14 is about destroying the church?

Revelation 16, 17, 18, and 19 is about destroying the church where Satan is sitting in? Nothing will be left of the church at Armageddon?

 

[rwb]

So Revelation 13 is all about sitting in the body of Christ? Revelation 14 is about destroying the church?

Revelation 16, 17, 18, and 19 is about destroying the church where Satan is sitting in? Nothing will be left of the church at Armageddon?

Please, it means to be part as though belonging to the body of Christ. But I've already shown this.

 

[rwb]

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the 1,000 year millennium) shall not come,

No not the coming literal one thousand years you imagine. "That day" is referring to the second coming of Christ when the seventh trumpet begins to sound and time shall be no more. Once Christ returns there will not be another ONE thousand years of time on this earth, except of course in the minds of millennialists.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[robycop3]

You're surely not being serious??? To re-introduce the Mosaic Law after Christ has made the ultimate sacrifice and fulfilled all that is written in the Law and Prophets would most assuredly not be to the glory of God. What would be the purpose for re-introducing the Old sacrificial law of Moses? It will most certainly assure their condemnation in the lake of fire.

I'm serious as a heart attack. Remember, Orthodox Jews still believe the Old Covenant is still in effect, & don't recognize Jesus as Messiah or Divine. They believe they have a duty to build a temple & re-institute animal sacrifices, etc.

 

[robycop3]

Do you know what the AOD is?

Yes. The original one was when Antiochus Epiphanes, the Seleucid ruler of Judea, entered the temple with some soldierd, set up a statue of Zeus in it, & sacrificed a pig upon the altar. The one mentioned by Jesus will be similar, except the antichrist will set up a statue of himself & stop all sacrifices.

 

[robycop3]

Paul is speaking to the Church at Thessalonia about what is happening in the Church, not the temple of old. According to Paul the man of sin, the son of perdition will be with or among believers in the temple of God, which Christians are.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

To 'sitteth' in the temple of God simply means he is with the body of Christ, the Church because the Church being Christians are the temple of God.

Sitteth is defined from the Greek word kathízō which means to seat down, i.e. set (figuratively, appoint); intransitively, to sit (down); figuratively, to settle (hover, dwell):—continue, set, sit (down), tarry.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Apparently some among them are trying to say that Christ has either already come again and they missed being caught up in the air with Him, or that His coming again was imminent. Neither of which is true. So, Paul explains that the coming of our Lord and our gathering unto Him will not come until certain things first come to pass. Then the wicked will be revealed and will be destroyed with the brightness of His coming.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (KJV) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

He will sit in the new temple, declaring himself God, & have the false prophet issue the marka the beast.

 

[robycop3]

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the 1,000 year millennium) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

"Of God" means built by God. The verse does not say the temple of the Jews for God. The Millennium will not start, before this happens. Certainly the Second Coming will happen, because God and the Lamb build the temple.

The temple the Jews will build will be believed to be a temple of God by most of the world.