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Saltwater actually can be distilled if fire or sufficient sunlight is available with a minmum of supplies. I do not have the specific process handy, but an airtight container, some sort of mealt (preferably copper) tubing can distill the salt from water. The Sun and plastic sheeting will work but will not net enough water to sustain you for long..just give you a chance to find another source.
 
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Thanks to ifnotforgrace and actionj for the advice and video. You both had the same idea, cool. I'll have to come up with a household heat able container, a a sealed cap and hose and a collection container. For weeks of fuel would candles or sterno boil water? Is there another energy source besides wood? Hurricane seasons coming so I want to be prepared and I'm sure other do also.
 
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Thanks to ifnotforgrace and actionj for the advice and video. You both had the same idea, cool. I'll have to come up with a household heat able container, a a sealed cap and hose and a collection container. For weeks of fuel would candles or sterno boil water? Is there another energy source besides wood? Hurricane seasons coming so I want to be prepared and I'm sure other do also.

Good morning. Propane is a great source for storable heat. You can usually buy a 20lb container of propane for around $30.00.

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You can hook it to a propane-ready BBQ grill or some other appliance that burns propane. They also come in 30lb, 40lb, 60lb, and 100lb containers. I own 5 20lb containers and one 100lb container. A couple of years ago, the power here in the Denver area was out for 36 hours straight and the temps were below freezing. I hooked up my "Mr. Heater" propane heater to my 100lb cylinder and kept the house very warm. There MUST be proper ventilation to use a propane heater indoors but it's safe as long as there is proper ventilation. As cold as it was outside I simply opened a frontroom window about 3 inches in the front of my home and the bathroom window about 3 inches in the rear of my home. The propane heater was more than enough to compensate and keep us all warm and toasty.

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A few years ago, I purchased and entire pallet of freeze dried food in #10 cans. I also bought several 5 gallon pales of freeze dried "emergency food" from Costco and Emergency Essentials. We estimate that we have more than 1 year of food stored assuming that only three mouths will be fed (my wife, my stepson, and myself). I also have about 150 gallons of water stored.

150 US gallons = approx 550 litres. If you follow the recommendations of two litres of water per adult per day then assuming your stepson is a child (I'm assuming half ration for him) you go through 5 litres per day, so your water supply will last just under four months. That's not including any allowance for washing, although you don't need drinking quality water to wash your face.

Dried food isn't much use unless you've got water on hand to reconstitute it. So you'd need more than 150 gallons of water. Also be aware of how the water is stored - if it's in plastic containers the water will leach some of the plastic over time.

If things do turn south in a big way (and I personally think the economy is going to turn south in a way that makes the events of the last few years look like a picnic) you'll also have to consider protecting any hoard you have. There are going to be people out there who are used to an automatic entitlement to food and shelter that are suddenly turned out into the cold (literally as well as figuratively), and who are hungry and angry. If it's known that you've got a stockpile of food they'll be paying you a visit to help you eat it.

Unless you live in a very remote area I wouldn't bank on keeping it a secret, it will soon become clear that everyone except you is starving because they can't get their hands on any food while you apparently can.
 
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150 US gallons = approx 550 litres. If you follow the recommendations of two litres of water per adult per day then assuming your stepson is a child (I'm assuming half ration for him) you go through 5 litres per day, so your water supply will last just under four months. That's not including any allowance for washing, although you don't need drinking quality water to wash your face.

Dried food isn't much use unless you've got water on hand to reconstitute it. So you'd need more than 150 gallons of water. Also be aware of how the water is stored - if it's in plastic containers the water will leach some of the plastic over time.

If things do turn south in a big way (and I personally think the economy is going to turn south in a way that makes the events of the last few years look like a picnic) you'll also have to consider protecting any hoard you have. There are going to be people out there who are used to an automatic entitlement to food and shelter that are suddenly turned out into the cold (literally as well as figuratively), and who are hungry and angry. If it's known that you've got a stockpile of food they'll be paying you a visit to help you eat it.

Unless you live in a very remote area I wouldn't bank on keeping it a secret, it will soon become clear that everyone except you is starving because they can't get their hands on any food while you apparently can.

Hello fellow survival-oriented Christian. Thanks for your good post. You're right about the need for more water. I continue to add to my "stash" by buying cases of bottled water. We live near a fairly large lake that we could draw from then sterilize and filter it before using it. I'm also buying a plastic 55 gallon drum that I plan on placing beneath my rain gutter, down spout. The rain water will go through a filter before entering the drum. I purchased my water storage containers from a company that sells containers designed for water storage:

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I hope things never get to the point that we need to forcibly protect ourselves but I do have my share of firearms and plenty of ammo to go with them. I pray that God will supernaturally protect us from anyone will any ill-intent
 
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Hello fellow survival-oriented Christian. Thanks for your good post. You're right about the need for more water. I continue to add to my "stash" by buying cases of bottled water. We live near a fairly large lake that we could draw from then sterilize and filter it before using it. I'm also buying a plastic 55 gallon drum that I plan on placing beneath my rain gutter, down spout. The rain water will go through a filter before entering the drum. I purchased my water storage containers from a company that sells containers designed for water storage:

The trouble is you're still talking about plastic containers. I'd be a little wary of water that had been stored long term in a plastic container, especially disposable plastic bottles. Filtering the water might remove some impurities from it but then putting it into plastic bottles will just result in it absorbing some junk from the plastic itself.

I hope things never get to the point that we need to forcibly protect ourselves but I do have my share of firearms and plenty of ammo to go with them. I pray that God will supernaturally protect us from anyone will any ill-intent

This is a thought process I don't entirely understand. If you're trusting God to supernaturally protect your food stash from hungry invaders who need food, why not trust God to supernaturally provide food to meet your needs? Just like Elijah and the widow who made him a cake (1Ki 17), God can meet our needs.
 
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=contango;62634975]The trouble is you're still talking about plastic containers. I'd be a little wary of water that had been stored long term in a plastic container, especially disposable plastic bottles. Filtering the water might remove some impurities from it but then putting it into plastic bottles will just result in it absorbing some junk from the plastic itself.

Well ... I guess I'd rather drink water stored in plastic containers than die of thirst. I'm not too concerned about drinking water from food grade plastic containers. To date ... I've never heard of anyone dying from it.

This is a thought process I don't entirely understand. If you're trusting God to supernaturally protect your food stash from hungry invaders who need food, why not trust God to supernaturally provide food to meet your needs? Just like Elijah and the widow who made him a cake (1Ki 17), God can meet our needs.

Ultimately, God's will shall be done regardless of anything I do. My main purpose is to be as prepared for as many hypothetical situations as I can think of. I'm basing most of my preparations on personal experiences I've had. I'm not going to bite my nails and worry about the remote possibility that a "zombie hoard" will surround my home and devour my food.

God supernaturally saved Noah from the flood but Noah built the ark. God supernaturally gave Joseph a vision of a coming 7-year drought but Joseph saw to it that a good amount of food was gathered together in preparation for that drought. When you or I are hungry do we sit in a chair and wait for God to drop food from the sky or do we head for the kitchen to eat the food that we bought at the grocery store last week or last month?
 
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God supernaturally saved Noah from the flood but Noah built the ark. God supernaturally gave Joseph a vision of a coming 7-year drought but Joseph saw to it that a good amount of food was gathered together in preparation for that drought. When you or I are hungry do we sit in a chair and wait for God to drop food from the sky or do we head for the kitchen to eat the food that we bought at the grocery store last week or last month?

All good points, although if we've got our own stockpile of food and people all around us are literally starving I can't see us finding it overly comfortable explaining to God why we didn't share our hoard with them.
 
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All good points, although if we've got our own stockpile of food and people all around us are literally starving I can't see us finding it overly comfortable explaining to God why we didn't share our hoard with them.

Hello. Your somewhat argumentative stance and slightly negative tone has been duly noted. You have a right to your opinions and you have a right to live your life as you see fit. I shall hold no grudges if you choose not to prepare for difficult times. That's your God-given right.

Now ... I don't recall ever having said that I wouldn't share my food with others in need. As a matter of fact, I have purchased large amounts of dried grains and cereals (inexpensive foods) for just that purpose. I guess (at the very least) I will have some food to share. You?

Okay ... I am prepared for your next criticism. Have at it! ;)
 
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Hello. Your somewhat argumentative stance and slightly negative tone has been duly noted. You have a right to your opinions and you have a right to live your life as you see fit. I shall hold no grudges if you choose not to prepare for difficult times. That's your God-given right.

With respect, if offering an alternative viewpoint is considered an "argumentative stance and negative tone" there's little point saying anything other than what a great idea you've got.

Now ... I don't recall ever having said that I wouldn't share my food with others in need. As a matter of fact, I have purchased large amounts of dried grains and cereals (inexpensive foods) for just that purpose. I guess (at the very least) I will have some food to share. You?

As soon as you start sharing you either run out in no time flat or you need a stockpile so enormous you couldn't possibly find space for it all.

A lot will depend just what it is you're preparing for. The issue I find with a lot of the issue of preparing for some kind of meltdown is specifying what level of meltdown you'll seek to survive because it ends up as a constant game of "well what if it got a bit worse?". You know, you've stockpiled enough water for a year and enough food for a year but then it's all thwarted because an earthquake rendered your house uninhabitable. Or you figure you can dig a well and draw water from the well only to find someone tapped it upstream and you've got no water at all, or you grow crops only to find them eaten by either locusts or roaming hungry mobs.

So the question really comes down to, where do you draw the line and figure a meltdown bigger and nastier than this point will render all your preparations worthless?

Okay ... I am prepared for your next criticism. Have at it! ;)

I shall likewise prepare ;)
 
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=contango;62639327]With respect, if offering an alternative viewpoint is considered an "argumentative stance and negative tone" there's little point saying anything other than what a great idea you've got.

Or ... you could come out and say that I have a really bad idea and give some credible reasons why. Thus far you haven't really offered an "alternative viewpoint" as much as a critique of the avenue I've chosen to take. In other words, you criticized my decision to store water in plastic containers but didn't actually offer an alternative to plastic containers. You criticized my decision to store food but offered no alternative other than to NOT store food.

As soon as you start sharing you either run out in no time flat or you need a stockpile so enormous you couldn't possibly find space for it all.

Or ... God could multiply the fish and the bread so that it could feed multitudes. In the meantime, I believe that something is better than nothing. Some preparation is better than no preparation. Some forethought and planning is better than total ignorance and/or sloth.

Under the worst case scenario I might get totally overrun by a starving hoard of "zombies" and I might die in the frenzy. We all got to die some day and if that's my day then so be it. At least I can tell Saint Peter that I offered a nice meal to all them who attended my funeral. :amen:

A lot will depend just what it is you're preparing for. The issue I find with a lot of the issue of preparing for some kind of meltdown is specifying what level of meltdown you'll seek to survive because it ends up as a constant game of "well what if it got a bit worse?". You know, you've stockpiled enough water for a year and enough food for a year but then it's all thwarted because an earthquake rendered your house uninhabitable. Or you figure you can dig a well and draw water from the well only to find someone tapped it upstream and you've got no water at all, or you grow crops only to find them eaten by either locusts or roaming hungry mobs.

I prepare for power outages; ice storms; blizzards; possible unemployment; trucker strikes and the possible food shortages that would follow; possible economic collapse; etc. Life is full of "ifs." What if this or what if that? I can't see the future. Therefore, I prepare for the most likely catastrophic events (those most consistent with my geographical location). I've been stranded in a blizzard. I've experienced a 36 hour power outage. I've been unemployed and dead broke.

Two things: Firstly, I prep as a hobby. I don't place my faith in my cache. Secondly, I believe it's better to be somewhat prepared for unforeseen events than to sit on my tush and do nothing. After hurricane Katrina folks were hungry and thirsty. Folks from around the nation sent food and water that had been stored for such an event. By the way, the water that was sent arrived in plastic bottles.

So the question really comes down to, where do you draw the line and figure a meltdown bigger and nastier than this point will render all your preparations worthless?

Every person on earth draws their own line. If an event is so great that nobody can survive it then I suppose I will have to give up the ghost and "cash it in." However, I will be fully prepared for the next 36 hour power outage that comes my way.
 
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Since we are discussing food, what food is good for let's say 3 days without electricity or fuel for heating in your house, with a year long storage? Any suggestions for normal people and diabetic?
Thanks for any of your inputs.
 
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Or ... you could come out and say that I have a really bad idea and give some credible reasons why. Thus far you haven't really offered an "alternative viewpoint" as much as a critique of the avenue I've chosen to take. In other words, you criticized my decision to store water in plastic containers but didn't actually offer an alternative to plastic containers. You criticized my decision to store food but offered no alternative other than to NOT store food.

I didn't come out and say it's a really bad idea because I don't think it's necessarily a really bad idea. It just needs to be defined a little - a lot of the time it's easy to "prepare" for something without a specific idea of what we are preparing for, what would trigger our emergency plan, and what level of disaster we would just accept would push past the limits of our planning and leave us winging it.

I'd have thought a suggestion to avoid plastic would suggest using something other than plastic. Like glass, perhaps.

I didn't so much criticise the decision to store food as look to determine just how much water you'll need to dehydrate your dried food, how much food you'll want (which will depend on how long you plan to live on it), what you'll do to protect it or share it, and so on.

Or ... God could multiply the fish and the bread so that it could feed multitudes. In the meantime, I believe that something is better than nothing. Some preparation is better than no preparation. Some forethought and planning is better than total ignorance and/or sloth.

Of course something is better than nothing, but without an idea of just what it is you're preparing for it's impossible to say how good your plan is. Which leads on to...

I prepare for power outages; ice storms; blizzards; possible unemployment; trucker strikes and the possible food shortages that would follow; possible economic collapse; etc. Life is full of "ifs." What if this or what if that? I can't see the future. Therefore, I prepare for the most likely catastrophic events (those most consistent with my geographical location). I've been stranded in a blizzard. I've experienced a 36 hour power outage. I've been unemployed and dead broke.

So are you planning to live through a 36 hour power outage or a 9-month famine?

A 36-hour power outage would want some form of power for air conditioning or fuel for heating (depending on whether we're talking Anchorage in winter or Houston in summer), a couple of gallons of drinking water and a couple of meals. Buying ever-more cases of bottled water becomes overkill if you're preparing for something as simple as 36 hours without power.

Two things: Firstly, I prep as a hobby. I don't place my faith in my cache. Secondly, I believe it's better to be somewhat prepared for unforeseen events than to sit on my tush and do nothing. After hurricane Katrina folks were hungry and thirsty. Folks from around the nation sent food and water that had been stored for such an event. By the way, the water that was sent arrived in plastic bottles.

Somewhat prepared makes little sense - if you're going to prepare then consider all elements of your plan as some things may throw you a curve ball. An obvious example might be someone who kept a huge stash of food in their basement only to find a storm came through, the basement flooded and the food was ruined. Or to take a more simplistic example, someone who uses gas central heating and doesn't realise that their gas boiler still needs electricity to power it so still ends up cold when the power goes off. If you've laid down enough food and water to sustain your family for three years but then find you have to flee, all your plans are laid to waste because you physically can't carry anything like that much water with you.

Hence the question of what level event you're looking to prepare for, whether you're expecting it to be imminent or distant, whether you're expecting the kind of event that forces you to leave your home, and so on.

Every person on earth draws their own line. If an event is so great that nobody can survive it then I suppose I will have to give up the ghost and "cash it in." However, I will be fully prepared for the next 36 hour power outage that comes my way.

From your earlier post where you said:

We estimate that we have more than 1 year of food stored assuming that only three mouths will be fed (my wife, my stepson, and myself). I also have about 150 gallons of water stored.

it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume your plan goes far beyond a 36-hour power outage and into something far more apocalyptic. Hence my questions - if you're planning for the kind of situation where you can't lay your hands on food or water for that length of time you're also heading into the kind of disaster that creates a much higher chance that you'll have to flee your home. You're also creating an imbalanced plan if you've got food to feed you for a year but your water will run out after barely three months and maybe faster still if you need it to rehydrate your dried food.

To me a part of preparation for events is to look at the events and look at ways your plans could be thwarted. So if you've got food, look at what would cause the food to become useless to you (e.g. a basement flood). If you've done something like stash gold and silver in a safety deposit box, what happens if you can't get at your box any more? If you've got a hideaway in the woods planned and loaded with supplies, what happens if someone else gets to it before you do and uses your stashed weapons to keep you away from your stashed food?
 
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I didn't come out and say it's a really bad idea because I don't think it's necessarily a really bad idea. It just needs to be defined a little - a lot of the time it's easy to "prepare" for something without a specific idea of what we are preparing for, what would trigger our emergency plan, and what level of disaster we would just accept would push past the limits of our planning and leave us winging it.

I'd have thought a suggestion to avoid plastic would suggest using something other than plastic. Like glass, perhaps.

I didn't so much criticise the decision to store food as look to determine just how much water you'll need to dehydrate your dried food, how much food you'll want (which will depend on how long you plan to live on it), what you'll do to protect it or share it, and so on.



Of course something is better than nothing, but without an idea of just what it is you're preparing for it's impossible to say how good your plan is. Which leads on to...



So are you planning to live through a 36 hour power outage or a 9-month famine?

A 36-hour power outage would want some form of power for air conditioning or fuel for heating (depending on whether we're talking Anchorage in winter or Houston in summer), a couple of gallons of drinking water and a couple of meals. Buying ever-more cases of bottled water becomes overkill if you're preparing for something as simple as 36 hours without power.



Somewhat prepared makes little sense - if you're going to prepare then consider all elements of your plan as some things may throw you a curve ball. An obvious example might be someone who kept a huge stash of food in their basement only to find a storm came through, the basement flooded and the food was ruined. Or to take a more simplistic example, someone who uses gas central heating and doesn't realise that their gas boiler still needs electricity to power it so still ends up cold when the power goes off. If you've laid down enough food and water to sustain your family for three years but then find you have to flee, all your plans are laid to waste because you physically can't carry anything like that much water with you.

Hence the question of what level event you're looking to prepare for, whether you're expecting it to be imminent or distant, whether you're expecting the kind of event that forces you to leave your home, and so on.



From your earlier post where you said:

We estimate that we have more than 1 year of food stored assuming that only three mouths will be fed (my wife, my stepson, and myself). I also have about 150 gallons of water stored.

it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume your plan goes far beyond a 36-hour power outage and into something far more apocalyptic. Hence my questions - if you're planning for the kind of situation where you can't lay your hands on food or water for that length of time you're also heading into the kind of disaster that creates a much higher chance that you'll have to flee your home. You're also creating an imbalanced plan if you've got food to feed you for a year but your water will run out after barely three months and maybe faster still if you need it to rehydrate your dried food.

To me a part of preparation for events is to look at the events and look at ways your plans could be thwarted. So if you've got food, look at what would cause the food to become useless to you (e.g. a basement flood). If you've done something like stash gold and silver in a safety deposit box, what happens if you can't get at your box any more? If you've got a hideaway in the woods planned and loaded with supplies, what happens if someone else gets to it before you do and uses your stashed weapons to keep you away from your stashed food?

Thanks for your suggestions and for the conversation.

Here's where I generally stand:

1) We've witnessed numerous catastrophes around the globe in recent years, i.e., tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, floods, and general chaos. Knowing that these things can and do happen elsewhere awakens me to the possibility that they could happen here where I live.

2) Past experience has taught me that being prepared for any number of possible situations is better than being unprepared for them. E.g., I'd rather have spare tools in my truck if it breaks down than to be stranded without tools.

3) I don't know precisely what tomorrow will bring. Anything could happen or nothing could happen. I don't spend my time worrying or biting my nails. What will be will be. I place my faith and trust in Christ. I simply hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

4) Although I do generally prepare for myself and family I can also picture a situation where my stash of food could save the lives of others. In other words, if a major catastrophe occurred near my abode but I wasn't affected I would be willing to supply the victims of that event with food if it meant the difference between life and death. May God's will be done in all things. Christ left us with two Great Commandments. Love God and love thy neighbor.

5) I have two hobbies that keep my mind occupied during my rare times of leisure. One of my hobbies is knife collecting and the other is prepping. I don't necessarily collect knives with the expectation that I will get in a knife fight with a crazed man or an angry grizzly bear. I simply collect them because I enjoy it. It's a hobby and an investment. Prepping may have a more practical purpose but I don't necessarily expect that hoards of starving, criminally-minded lunatics are going to surround my home and ravage my family, me, and my food supply. In my opinion, the chances of that happening is slim. There is a greater chance that we (Americans) could suffer a major economic collapse which will certainly have far reaching implications. As a kid, I heard my mom and dad speak of the Great Depression and the struggle to survive during that troublesome period. It happened then and it could happen again in the future. If I have a reason for storing more than a few months' supply of food that would be the reason.

As for storing water in glass? I personally believe it's more practical to store it in plastic. Plastic is more durable, lighter, and less expensive and I'm not too concerned about the chemicals that may be leached from the plastic. The city's tap water is probably full of more dangerous chemicals. That's why we have three Berkey Water Filters which remove 99.999% of all impurities.

I'm an imperfect man. My preps are probably just as imperfect and/or inadequate. I'm probably more prepared than most of the world's population but far under-prepared when compared to folks who live deep in the woods with underground bunkers and 5000 gallon water storage containers and emergency helicopters. I can only afford what I can afford. Rich, I'm not!
 
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Since we are discussing food, what food is good for let's say 3 days without electricity or fuel for heating in your house, with a year long storage? Any suggestions for normal people and diabetic?
Thanks for any of your inputs.

That's odd ... I posted a response to this last night but my post was gone this morning.

Anyway, I'll re-post.

I have a case of ER Bars which may be just what you're looking for. I don't know if they are diabetic-friendly or not but they are used and recommended by the Coast Guard. They are very nutritious; have a 5 year shelf life; and taste very good. They are tolerant of very high and very low temperatures. I've eaten them and have fed them to a couple of starving dogs I saw by the side of a busy highway. One bar is supposed to provide 3 days worth of food (depending on the size of the bar).

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Thanks for your suggestions and for the conversation.

Here's where I generally stand:

1) We've witnessed numerous catastrophes around the globe in recent years, i.e., tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, riots, floods, and general chaos. Knowing that these things can and do happen elsewhere awakens me to the possibility that they could happen here where I live.

It makes a lot of sense to be prepared for things, even if "prepared" only means taking a more pragmatic viewpoint than "it will never happen here" or the kind of naive concept that somehow the government "would never let" something happen.

2) Past experience has taught me that being prepared for any number of possible situations is better than being unprepared for them. E.g., I'd rather have spare tools in my truck if it breaks down than to be stranded without tools.

I'd agree with you on this one as well, obviously up to a point. Preparedness is a good thing although "spare tools" could conceivably get to a point of being silly. It's one thing to carry a few wrenches, some motor oil etc with you, it's another thing entirely to carry a hoist and a spare engine, just in case of catastrophic failure. Silly examples I know, they just highlight the whole "how extreme do you want to go" concept.

3) I don't know precisely what tomorrow will bring. Anything could happen or nothing could happen. I don't spend my time worrying or biting my nails. What will be will be. I place my faith and trust in Christ. I simply hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

It makes a lot of sense. Where I live is a very urban area so there are dozens of places to buy stuff within a very short distance, although the flipside of that is that if things turn south we can be sure the shelves will be stripped bare very quickly, and that there are more people around who might relieve me of purchases on my way home.

To me in an urban area the very base level of being prepared is to keep a few days' worth of spending money on hand in case there's an outage in the banking system. Much more than that and I feel vulnerable having too much cash in the house, but it's good to know if payment systems fail I've got pieces of paper with pictures of Her Majesty on them that will buy the things I need for a short time.

4) Although I do generally prepare for myself and family I can also picture a situation where my stash of food could save the lives of others. In other words, if a major catastrophe occurred near my abode but I wasn't affected I would be willing to supply the victims of that event with food if it meant the difference between life and death. May God's will be done in all things. Christ left us with two Great Commandments. Love God and love thy neighbor.

It could be, even if the best you can do is help someone get back on their feet if their house burns down or some such. It is actually quite a refreshing change to talk to someone about preparation for disaster that doesn't involve an overbearing attitude of "I'm alright Jack, (expletive) the rest of them"

5) I have two hobbies that keep my mind occupied during my rare times of leisure. One of my hobbies is knife collecting and the other is prepping. I don't necessarily collect knives with the expectation that I will get in a knife fight with a crazed man or an angry grizzly bear. I simply collect them because I enjoy it. It's a hobby and an investment. Prepping may have a more practical purpose but I don't necessarily expect that hoards of starving, criminally-minded lunatics are going to surround my home and ravage my family, me, and my food supply. In my opinion, the chances of that happening is slim. There is a greater chance that we (Americans) could suffer a major economic collapse which will certainly have far reaching implications. As a kid, I heard my mom and dad speak of the Great Depression and the struggle to survive during that troublesome period. It happened then and it could happen again in the future. If I have a reason for storing more than a few months' supply of food that would be the reason.

I'm expecting a financial meltdown on the scale of the Great Depression and maybe worse still. When people can't just go to the ATM and get money, when they can't spend what they don't have with a small piece of plastic, when they don't get their government handouts because the government doesn't have the money any more, things will get ugly.

That's where I get to thinking about the threats posed by a disaster on that level. If the power goes out for two days all you need is some fuel to keep warm, some clean water and some food. At a push you can go two days without food if it comes to that. If you're boiling a kettle over your wood fire you might as well throw in some water for the people next door so they can have a hot drink as well.

If the power stays out for a week you'll start to have more social issues. More people cold, more people wanting shelter, more people wanting food and so on. Maybe not desperate enough to just loot and steal whatever they can find but getting that way.

Turn off the government for a month and things get a whole lot uglier. No more welfare payments, no social security, no pensions, no salary for the emergency services, shelves stripped bare in the stores, and people holding up the delivery trucks so they can eat. Now you'll have serious social unrest, and if you've got supplies you'll draw all sorts of unwanted attention. Part of the plan would then have to include how to conceal or protect your supplies, otherwise it becomes akin to fortifying your home security but then leaving the side door wide open.

As for storing water in glass? I personally believe it's more practical to store it in plastic. Plastic is more durable, lighter, and less expensive and I'm not too concerned about the chemicals that may be leached from the plastic. The city's tap water is probably full of more dangerous chemicals. That's why we have three Berkey Water Filters which remove 99.999% of all impurities.

Filtering makes sense. I tend to be wary of long term storage of water in plastic bottles because I've found that once a container is opened the water can have a very noticeable plastic taste to it after only a day or so. In theory if it's sealed it should be OK but if there is any problem with the seal you could end up with unusable water.

I'm an imperfect man. My preps are probably just as imperfect and/or inadequate. I'm probably more prepared than most of the world's population but far under-prepared when compared to folks who live deep in the woods with underground bunkers and 5000 gallon water storage containers and emergency helicopters. I can only afford what I can afford. Rich, I'm not!

Indeed, you can only do what is within your capability. I'd like a fortified underground bunker with enough space to store food for a year or more but in an urban area you need way more money than I've got to buy such a thing.
 
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Speaking of filtering Water: One of these in a backpack (including other ER supplies_ in the trunk of a vehicle might not be a bad idea: It's called LIFESTRAW
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It's a really good idea. I haven't seen these LifeStraws yet but I do carry a similar product(s) in my Bug Out Bag (BOB) and in my vehicle.

I keep the Katadyn Vario in my emergency bag (BOB) and I keep a filtered cup (can't remember the name brand off hand) like the one pictured below in my vehicle:

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