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A dead man cannot choose to live again.. We are dead in our trespasses.. It takes a new birth which is regeneration from God to be alive unto God..
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chestertonrules
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II. GRACE 1996 Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.46
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But isn't Christ the propitiation for the sins of the whole world? Doesn't God command us to repent? If so (and yes, He does), then not repenting is a sin and should be one of the sins Christ died for, correct?
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I see thank you.. For Gods grace and Favor rest upon those He has predestined to be His sons and daughters..
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Why do you insist on ignoring the word of God?
Titus 2
11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age
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God wants us to repent. If we do, our sins will be forgiven.
This applies to the whole world.
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Nicely put.
I'm waiting for the Pre destination crowd to come back with the "All" doesn't really mean "All" argument. LOL
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Are there any instances in the bible where all doesn't mean all people for all time? Is it ever used as hyperbole?
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Of course He wants us to repent. That's why He commands it. But is it a sin to not obey the command to repent?
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God wants us to repent. If we don't we risk damnation.
God wants ALL MEN to repent, even the wicked.
Agreed?
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Yes, I agree. But the question is is it a sin to disobey the command to repent?
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It's a bad idea. I don't know if it is a sin.
God wants us to repent, so I guess you could call it a sin because it is going against God's will.
Either way, we have an opportunity to repent.
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LOL I could as you the same.. For it is God who causes us to walk His way. Men do not choose to walk Gods way. They are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness..
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No one acts against God's will, we do however act against His nature.
Everyone here is presupposing that God does not want what God does not like.
The only problem with that is that there is a lot that God does not like.
You therefore imply that God does not get eveything He wants, constantly.
You imply that God is not sovereign.
Why not maintain that God gets everything He wants, constantly,
whether He likes it or not.
I cannot deny that, I am left to believe that;
God gets everything He wants, constantly, and there is a lot that He hates.
Therefore, God wants to reveal what He hates.
Appearently, it is very important that we start out as a people who will never forget
the horror of sin or the hero of Christ.
Appearently, it is very important that we start out as a people knowing
the greatest evil and the greatest good.
Everyone here is presupposing that God does not want what God does not like.
The only problem with that is that there is a lot that God does not like.
You therefore imply that God does not get eveything He wants, constantly.
You imply that God is not sovereign.
Why not maintain that God gets everything He wants, constantly,
whether He likes it or not.
I cannot deny that, I am left to believe that;
God gets everything He wants, constantly, and there is a lot that He hates.
Therefore, God wants to reveal what He hates.
Appearently, it is very important that we start out as a people who will never forget
the horror of sin or the hero of Christ.
Appearently, it is very important that we start out as a people knowing
the greatest evil and the greatest good.
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Then why didn't Jesus just tell the elect how to live?
For anyone else, it doesn't matter.
Unfortunately for your argument, Jesus commaned all men to obey him. That is the ideal.
The very fact you're arguing is itself pointless IF it doesn't matter, and you're already 'elect'. If I am not, then arguing that I am not won't change me not being 'elect'.
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