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Christ himself states he has foretold us "all" things. If there was indeed a rapture he would have taught it in the gospels.
I don't like labels but I believe Christ returns after the tribulation, so yes -post trib.
I believe it will go down exactly as Christ states in Matthew 24, Paul being a second witness to those teachings.
Do you know what is the main aim of God during the Tribulation?
Do you consider yourself part of Jacob?
This has always been about God vs Satan, ever since the Satan's overthrow.
It was first prophesized that Satan would sit on the throne proclaiming to be God back in Isaiah.
Our Father wants to see who will follow the fake savior -Satan or who will endure to the end as Christ states, it will be those that will be saved. It's God that sends that delusion because he wants to see who has done their homework and heeded the warnings by Christ and Paul.
Christ even states, if they say Christ is here or there, don't believe it.
It's possible. I certainly don't put lump all 12 tribes into one, like many Christians do -Judah. I believe the other 10 scattered all over the earth, some today not even knowing their own true heritage.
And tribulation should not be confused with the wrath that God brings on the day of the Lord.
I see, from your answer, my guess is that you see yourself as some form of spiritual Israel?
I just don't separate all of Israel like others do from the body of Christ.
Take the 144,000 -those aren't all Jewish people as many like to believe. Only 12 thousand are Jewish. Again, the other 10 tribes were scattered all over and yet, 12 thousand of each will be part of the 144, 000. I see all of these as believers in Christ and probably will be the ones that will witness for Christ at that time. And hopefully many will have their eyes opened at that time.
I belive the issue is the concept of a "secret rapture" before the main rapture ,in other words, two events rather than one. And if you throw in midtrib then we are faced with three events. Paul only speaks of one event.I often here this debate and both sides have scriptures to support their point of view. Why can't both be right?
Why can't some Christians be taken at the beginning of the tribulation and some taken at the end of the tribulation?
Here's the scenario.
At the beginning of the tribulation, some Christians are taken. This isn't seen as the Rapture because a lot of well known Christians weren't taken. So this is called an invasion.
The antichrist and his system will say we can protect you from being taken if they come back if you do what we say or take this mark which I believe will be a name of blasphemy.
Christians will resist and die along with the two witnesses during the tribulation and the ones that are still alive that are in the 1st Resurrection will be transformed when Christ returns.
So people could be debating these things but they're both right.
I often here this debate and both sides have scriptures to support their point of view. Why can't both be right?
Why can't some Christians be taken at the beginning of the tribulation and some taken at the end of the tribulation?
Here's the scenario.
At the beginning of the tribulation, some Christians are taken. This isn't seen as the Rapture because a lot of well known Christians weren't taken. So this is called an invasion.
The antichrist and his system will say we can protect you from being taken if they come back if you do what we say or take this mark which I believe will be a name of blasphemy.
Christians will resist and die along with the two witnesses during the tribulation and the ones that are still alive that are in the 1st Resurrection will be transformed when Christ returns.
So people could be debating these things but they're both right.
So, are you saying you think the goats represent Gentiles who didn't help national Israel?Matthew 24 and 25 form the Olivet discourse, and Jesus is describing the end times to the 12
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 25:31-46 explains what happens at the end of the Tribulation, where gentiles of all nations will be judged based on whether they helped national Israel or not, as you quoted from vs 35 onwards.
So, are you saying you think the goats represent Gentiles who didn't help national Israel?
The sheep inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for them "from the foundation of the world" while the goats will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". I am a Gentile who has not done anything to help national Israel. So, do you believe I will be cast into everlasting fire on the day Christ returns?
Since when is someone's eternal destiny determined by how they treated the nation of Israel? Where is that taught in scripture? Nowhere. Instead, scripture teaches that our eternal destiny is based on whether we have repented and put our faith in Christ or not.
I don't like labels but I believe Christ returns after the tribulation, so yes -post trib.
I believe it will go down exactly as Christ states in Matthew 24, Paul being a second witness to those teachings.
Since when is any one's eternal destiny determined by how they treated any one?So, are you saying you think the goats represent Gentiles who didn't help national Israel?
The sheep inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for them "from the foundation of the world" while the goats will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". I am a Gentile who has not done anything to help national Israel. So, do you believe I will be cast into everlasting fire on the day Christ returns?
Since when is someone's eternal destiny determined by how they treated the nation of Israel? Where is that taught in scripture? Nowhere. Instead, scripture teaches that our eternal destiny is based on whether we have repented and put our faith in Christ or not.
Matthew 25:31-32 used the term "nations" which always mean gentile nations in scripture.
Once the dispensation of grace is over, if a gentile wants to be saved during the Tribulation, just like in time past, he have to be saved thru blessing Israel (Matthew 25:40
Once the dispensation of grace is over, if a gentile wants to be saved during the Tribulation, just like in time past, he have to be saved thru blessing Israel (Matthew 25:40 , Deuteronomy 23:3-4).
Jesus doesn't single out Israel. He doesn't mention Israel at all:
Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Jesus identifies His brethren. He doesn't single out Israel. He doesn't mention Israel at all:
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
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