I don't see Israel and the church as the same.When does Daniel rise according to Daniel 12?
at the end of the days
So, do you think he missed an earlier resurrection of the just/church/saints?
no
There will only be one resurrection to life.
It will include the Christians dying for their faith in
Jesus Christ during the time of the great tribulation.
You may not, but God Does.I don't see Israel and the church as the same.
The church's birthday was in Acts 2, Pentecost.You may not, but God Does.
As far as God is concerned, the Church is the Believing Remnant of Israel. They did not cease to be Israel simply because they obeyed God and the prophets and Followed Israels Messiah.
The Church is Believing Israel, the Nazarene Sect of Biblical Judaism.
The Church is the Faithful Remnant of Israel, and has been Israel all along.
The "church" is not something separate from Israel, but rather is the remnant of the faithful within Israel.
Acts 7:38 speaks of "the church in the wilderness" with Moses. Likewise, Isaiah pointed out that in times of Israel's great apostasies, the faithful of the nation were reduced to a tiny remnant of elect ones (Isaiah 1:8-9). So it was in the first century, where Paul identifies himself as an example of the faithful remnant (Romans 11:1-5).
Moreover, the apostles continually say that the members of the Nazarene sect are the true elect ones (2 Tim 2:10; Col 3:12;Galatians 6:15-16; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9-10 ). The Church is the faithful ones of Israel.
At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the Christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).
Also, Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).
The first members of the body of Christ were all obedient Israelites. They, and ONLY They, were obedient Israel, and they went out and taught that the followers of Jesus were the true sons of Abraham.
Scripture teaches that The "church" is, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, Israel and is Jewish (not gentile) in its origin:
Acts 7:38
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers
Acts 2:47
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
[Note that this "church" exists prior to any gentile inclusion, thus is believing Israel]
The church's birthday was in Acts 2, Pentecost.
It's fair to acknowledge that from an interpretational perspective our view profoundly differ.
Parousia gave an excellent and scripturally correct post in #264.I don't see Israel and the church as the same.
Was the church of Philadelphia type of people raptured out back in the days of John?
The great white throne was not seen by John till Rev. 20.
He refers there to a great white throne.
//not - the great white throne
Revelation 20:11
Thank you for sharing this, God blessWhy fight against the rapture?? Think! Who hates the Truth of the rapture more than satan?? Satan wants you here for him to destroy and kill.
Luke 21:36New King James Version (NKJV)
36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass.
Hi can you shed some light on how you said that Lucifer and his demons would roam free? I always thought that they were already free roaming the Earth.Don't worry man, that thing can be heated with tea lights. My wood heater is mainly for boiling water. And I agree with you, without the Lord nobody could stand a chance. At the 5th trumpet, Lucifer and a couple billion of his demonic angels will be released from the abyss. We are going to have to spend the last 5 months with these guys. They don't need sleep, they aren't afraid of -40C temperatures and they have X ray night vision which can find me wherever I go.
I can take care of what I can take care of, but demonic angels and black bears are in the Lord's department.
(As long as I've got the Seal of God on my forehead)
I'll follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
I don't see Israel and the church as the same.
Hi can you shed some light on how you said that Lucifer and his demons would roam free? I always thought that they were already free roaming the Earth.
I heard someone talk about a dragon drawing a third part of the stars to the earth. I think this person was referring to a dragon in Revelation 12. They said they thought it would take the dragon about one third of a year to draw the stars to the earth. This person said that as the earth moves it appears that the sun is casting down stars.
I do not know whether any of the following is true or accurate:
I heard someone say that on November 16th Jupiter entered the constellation Virgo. They said that there was a change in dispensations from the law being given on the day of Pentecost and that Pentecost is the only day when God sounded His trumpet. I do not know if that is true. I think they said that Jupiter leaves virgo on May 25th and on September 9th. They might have said that in Exodus 19 there was a trumpet blown on the day of Pentecost and that there was a change in dispensations on the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts. I think they said that the first fruits harvest is brought in at Pentecost and that the first fruits are sealed on Pentecost. He said that on years with no extra month you can go back 1335 days from Pentecost and you get the feast of trumpets.
Some people believe that Song of Solomon 2 tells readers that the rapture will occur in the Spring time.