Praying Upwards and Commanding Downwards

[churchlady]

One of the most valuable things for me, to come out of learning who I am in Christ, was the effect that it had on my prayer life.

I learned that when I have a problem, I am to seek or pray upward toward the Father in Heaven in Jesus Name. I pour out my heart about the problem, ask Him for His wisdom and understanding concerning it. I seek him for His will and strategy, accepting that what He has already said in His written Word about that kind of problem is my starting place. I keep seeking until He begins to speak further to me through His Holy Spirit within. This may unfold over a period of time.

Then, having heard from Him how to look at my problem from His perspective, with His evaluation and judgement of it, I then begin to decree and declare from my heavenly position of being raised with Christ at the right hand of the Father. In other words, once I have Father's decision on it, I command downwards, using the delegated authority of Jesus, the very logos and rhema words that have been shown to me concerning the specifics of my problem.

Before I knew 'who I was in Christ', I not only didn't know how to do this, I didn't even know that I could do this. What a difference it has made in my prayer life, and what a difference in the answers I get.

This is one reason I want all of the Body of Christ to know their heavenly position as well.

 

[GodismyRefuge]

Then, having heard from Him how to look at my problem from His perspective, with His evaluation and judgement of it, I then begin to decree and declare from my heavenly position of being raised with Christ at the right hand of the Father. In other words, once I have Father's decision on it, I command downwards, using the delegated authority of Jesus, the very logos and rhema words that have been shown to me concerning the specifics of my problem.

Where is this taught in Scripture?

 

[Child of JC]

Where did you find this teaching? Was it a home study?

 

[Christina M]

once I have Father's decision on it, I command downwards, using the delegated authority of Jesus, the very logos and rhema words that have been shown to me concerning the specifics of my problem.
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Very good description, Churchlady!!

Speak TO the mountain..... not whining to God ABOUT the mountain...

I like Isaiah 54:17

No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, And their righteousness is from Me," Says the Lord.

Once I saw that WE are to condemn it....in His authority....it was so freeing!

 

[swifteagle]

I agree! When we battle in intercession from a position of authority (as you said, we are seated with Him in heavenly places), then we can see our problems from a heavenly perspective instead of an earthly perspective. This is battling from a place of victory.

Many times when I pray for people, they have a need to see themselves and situations from a heavenly perspective. We need to be more God aware than self aware!

Thanks for sharing with us and starting this thread!

swifteagle ><>

 

[churchlady]

Where did you find this teaching? Was it a home study?

I started learning this in the 70's. It's scattered throughout the New Testament and has to do with the Church being the Lord's body in the earth. We have been given delegated authority in Him, to use His Name, to execute His will in this earth.

If you want to learn more, I recommend you start with "The Authority of the Believer" by John A. MacMillan, and the classic, "With Christ in the School of Prayer" by Andrew Murray. They both contain plenty of relevant scriptures for you to read, along with what they are teaching.

Unfortunately, a lot of believers, even in Charismatic circles are basically in the dark about their heavenly position with Christ. This is one reason for so much unanswered prayer and the impotent excuse given by certain leaders, who should know better, that it must not be God's will.

This is very crucial knowledge that every believer should have, and I believe the beginnings of Paul's answer to prayer that he prayed in Ephesians 1:17.

 

[GodismyRefuge]

I started learning this in the 70's. It's scattered throughout the New Testament and has to do with the Church being the Lord's body in the earth. We have been given delegated authority in Him, to use His Name, to execute His will in this earth.

If you want to learn more, I recommend you start with "The Authority of the Believer" by John A. MacMillan, and the classic, "With Christ in the School of Prayer" by Andrew Murray. They both contain plenty of relevant scriptures for you to read, along with what they are teaching.

Unfortunately, a lot of believers, even in Charismatic circles are basically in the dark about their heavenly position with Christ. This is one reason for so much unanswered prayer and the impotent excuse given by certain leaders, who should know better, that it must not be God's will.

This is very crucial knowledge that every believer should have, and I believe the beginnings of Paul's answer to prayer that he prayed in Ephesians 1:17.

Where exactly is what you are propogating taught in Scripture?

 

[enoch son]

If the word says you're seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and He is seated far above all power, where does that put you? Everyone loves Eph. 6, the armor. But even the dumbest foot soldiers know that if you do not have the high ground in battle you have a large problem!
Read 6:12. It tells you were the battle is and it not on the earth.

Church Lady -I knew in my spirit, I liked you. This is the answer to all the questions in my thread warning. Everyone is asking me how to fight it, but God told me to be quiet and that the answer would be posted. Thank you.

 

[GodismyRefuge]

Then, having heard from Him how to look at my problem from His perspective, with His evaluation and judgement of it, I then begin to decree and declare from my heavenly position of being raised with Christ at the right hand of the Father. In other words, once I have Father's decision on it, I command downwards, using the delegated authority of Jesus, the very logos and rhema words that have been shown to me concerning the specifics of my problem.

Where is this taught in Scripture?

 

[KingdomScribe]

You say,

Where exactly is what you are propogating taught in Scripture?

Well. let's see -- I don't think these things are taught "exactly" anywhere in Scripture...

Is that a problem with you?

Doesn't bother me in the least.

KingdomScribe

P.S. Personally, I don't believe your understanding and interpretation of GOD'S Word is an acceptable straitjacket for MY relationship to Him.

 

[Christina M]

Where is this taught in Scripture?

All over the place............. read it............ask God to show you.

 

[Shalia]

All over the place............. read it............ask God to show you.

I'm asking you.

Honestly, I am. I don't know where to find it. Can you help?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Where exactly is what you are propogating taught in Scripture?

All you have to do is read the Bible for yourself. It takes a little effort, you know. The Berean Christians in Acts did not ask Paul to justify what he believed from Scripture, they searched the Scriptures themselves to see it what he was teaching was true. Maybe you should do the same, instead of putting down a precious saint who is sharing things of value from the heart. I take a lot more pleasure and learn a lot more from a person who is speaking from their heart than someone whose head full of Scripture is larger than their heart.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Where is this taught in Scripture?

Go to your bookshelf, take down your Bible and search for it yourself.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Where is this taught in Scripture?

Seeing that you are repeating yourself, I will repeat myself. Take your Bible off your bookshelf, blow the dust off it, and search it out for yourself. You might end up being a better Bible scholar for making the effort.

I will start you off, but you might have to get your concordance off the same shelf and look up the reference:

"Concerning the things made with my hands, command ye me." This is God talking. Maybe when you have found the Scriptural reference, you could explain to us all the context in which this has been spoken.

 

[New_Wineskin]

You say,



Well. let's see -- I don't think these things are taught "exactly" anywhere in Scripture...

Is that a problem with you?

Doesn't bother me in the least.

KingdomScribe

P.S. Personally, I don't believe your understanding and interpretation of GOD'S Word is an acceptable straitjacket for MY relationship to Him.

Be careful , when *I* stated something similar , someone started a thread about me .

 

[Maharg]

Often, the theology developed by the church over the centuries is developed from an understanding of a number of places in Scripture. For example, there are few places in which the Trinity is explained in detail. The only reference I can think of for the moment is John 14 - where Jesus refers to himself, the Father and the Counsellor.

The principle outlined here is something I have begun to undertsand in my walk with Christ. We have to give everything over to God and then He gives us perspective and understanding of things. I know we have to be careful about not developing theology simply from experiences. We have to align ourselves to the Word to guide us, but the Holy Spirit reveals the Word to us and helps us to understand its place in our life. I often find that I learn a principle in scripture and then God gives me opportunity to consolidate my learning through the experience He gives me. When I was a child, however, it often went the other way around. I didn't have anyone to teach me how to be a Christian and I had only ever read the Old Testament until I was a teenager. However, God taught me a lot about Himself through experiences then, which are now, as I get older and have contact with other Christians and more opportunity to read the Bible, being revealed to me as Christian truths.

I know people are often scared at the idea of dodgy theology if specific Bible verses are not used to back up statements of our experiences of God. However, sometimes it is not individual verses which guide us - we have to look at the Bible as a whole and the general princilpes it dictates. There is as much danger (if not more) with taking only individual verses ands specific passages to back our theology as developing general principles from viewing the Bible overall. In all cases we have to ask the Holy Spirit to guide us and just keep praying that we are able to listen to God's will.

 

[irenemcg]

In Ephesians chap 1 Paul does not tell us in future tense that we will be blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. We already are. Then in Ephesians chapter 2 verse 6 He tells us we already are caught up in the Heavenlies.

As Christian's our rightful position spiritually is "seated together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." A higher position of fulfillment is impossible: nothing is higher and nothing is more dignified than being seated in the heavenly places in Christ. As believers, we are "in Christ," and thus we have all of the rights, privileges and responsibilities of sons of God.

 

[enoch son]

In Ephesians chap 1 Paul does not tell us in future tense that we will be blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. We already are. Then in Ephesians chapter 2 verse 6 He tells us we already are caught up in the Heavenlies.

As Christian's our rightful position spiritually is "seated together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." A higher position of fulfillment is impossible: nothing is higher and nothing is more dignified than being seated in the heavenly places in Christ. As believers, we are "in Christ," and thus we have all of the rights, privileges and responsibilities of sons of God.

If this teaching and preaching gets any better I'm going to get so full of joy I'm going to have to holy roll on the ground or something to stop myself from exploding with glory of God.Amen!amen!

 

[GodismyRefuge]

So, I am to believe from what is being propogated on this thread that because we have a heavenly position In Christ that we have the 'ability' to command in using the name of Jesus Christ?