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What are your thoughts on what Saint James wrote about praying for others?
Since "pray" as a verb means to "ask", praying to the saints is intended to mean "asking the saints", and in fact the most widely prayed prayer that is directed to a saint - ave Maria - says "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death", which is a request to Blessed Mary to pray for us and the one to whom we ask her to pray is made clear in the liturgy where we ask "pray for us to the Lord out God".I also pray for others (since the Bible tells us to do that). But even the Catholic church rejects the idea of "praying to others" if they are not dead.
Since "pray" as a verb means to "ask", praying to the saints is intended to mean "asking the saints",
What you've written above is not true of the Catholic Church. You may ask another person to pray for you to the Lord our God, you can ask on your knees, you can bow to them, you can assume the posture of a supplicant, you can join your hands in an attitude of prayer when you ask them to pray for you to the Lord our God.in the sense of "praying to the saints" even the Catholic church does not allow that when speaking of a living person.
What you've written above is not true of the Catholic Church. You may ask another person to pray for you
Ask and pray are the same thing, but I think your post is using "pray" for conduct a conversation without another visible person being present. If that is the intended meaning, then a person can talk to another who is not present but the other will not hear what is said (unless one is using a phone, radio, or other tele-communication device) and so it would be a little odd to conduct such a one way 'conversation'.So yes - you can ask whatever you wish but you are not supposed to pray to the living according to the catholic church.
I reckon we need SDAs to tell Catholic wat they really believe. Maybe the Catholics will reciprocate by telling the SDAs what they really believe.But in the sense of "praying to the saints" even the Catholic church does not allow that when speaking of a living person. You may not get on your knees and pray to some fellow church member across town .. it is not approved of even in the Catholic church.
Mr Turek manages to be wrong on almost every claim he made about what Catholic and Orthodox Christians do and believe. His insights are also stock standard replies that are common errors on discussion boards.Frank Turek has offers an insight regarding the priesthood which seems worthy of note
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But in the sense of "praying to the saints" even the Catholic church does not allow that when speaking of a living person. You may not get on your knees and pray to some fellow church member across town .. it is not approved of even in the Catholic church.
I reckon we need SDAs to tell Catholic wat they really believe. .
Ask and pray are the same thing, but I think your post is using "pray" for conduct a conversation without another visible person being
An imprimatur is permission to print not some mystical papal blessing. Our English word "imprint" comes from the same Latin source word. Thus, an imprimatur issued by a bishop means "let it be printed". The pope plays no role in this matter in most cases. And being printed does not make the content of a book "Catholic Doctrine" any more than having a sermon preached by an SDA pastor makes every idea in the sermon SDA church doctrine.as for why it is "left to me" to point out these statements affirmed by that papal impramatur as being the blessed affirmed position of the Catholic Church -- well hmmmmm.... that is a good question.
I often ask friends to pray for me and I often pray for them. I have no trouble hearing their requests nor they mine. But you are treating "prayer" as if it is some act of special religious devotion which can only be directed to God while I point out that the word "pray" means ask. I pray you, consult a dictionary to verify the definition.As we see in the text above - they are not - and the RCC admits that if you tried this with the living - it is obvious that the living could not hear you.
Why would anyone do as you suggest?If all Catholics said that tomorrow they would pray to some guy in New Jersey for requests regarding finding a lost article - that would not work because that person would have no way of hearing or even knowing about such spoken prayers.
We ask the living to pray for us, yes.I also pray for others (since the Bible tells us to do that). But even the Catholic church rejects the idea of "praying to others" if they are not dead.
Yes it does: The Biblical Basis For The Doctrine Of “intercession Of The Saints”the Bible nowhere commands or allows us to pray to saints in heaven or ask saints in heaven to pray, Jesus never said that.
No, its biblical:Isn't praying a form of worship, which should then be directed to God alone who deserves it? There's also the risk of invoking names who might not be in heaven, only God sees the heart after all and we're told hell is full of religious people.
Here: The Biblical Basis For The Doctrine Of “intercession Of The Saints”where does the Bible say to ask Saints in heaven to pray for you? Bible says we go to Jesus directly he is our mediator
The Bible says that you are wrong:You mean a living person? If so, no I do not eliminate them from joining me in my supplications and thanks to our Father. The dead have no part in this.
Blessings.
Sir, your objection is faulty, and are trying to present a quick “gotcha” refutation.I also pray for others (since the Bible tells us to do that). But even the Catholic church rejects the idea of "praying to others" if they are not dead.
Thank you ! Interesting read! However, there is no solid biblical passage that teaches or encourages a Christian to pray to dead loved ones.The Bible says that you are wrong:
The Biblical Basis For The Doctrine Of “intercession Of The Saints”
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