Not so at all. I did not receive a proper Anglican christening. Having already received the birth from above, there was no necessity for such a prayer to be offered.
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Not so at all. I did not receive a proper Anglican christening. Having already received the birth from above, there was no necessity for such a prayer to be offered.
According to your Church I was, most assuredly baptized, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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Simply because the Catholic Church accepts trinitarian baptisms from virtually all other branches of Christianity. Were I to choose to join the Catholic Church I would not need to be baptized.
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Not really. There are millions and millions of baptized babies (non-Catholic as well as Catholic) who don't have any belief whatsoever about baptism.
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But are they seeking to join the Catholic Church as an adult, as you would be if you were seeking to join the Catholic Church?
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That is entirely moot. If one is baptized as a baby (as I was) then the Catholic Church accepts that baptism as valid. If I were to seek to join your church today I would not be required to be rebaptized.
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What you say is true, you would not be required to be baptised because - if your baptism is valid. But one cannot enter the Catholic Church, as an adult, simply on the basis of a valid baptism. To enter the Catholic Church as an adult one must agree with Catholic doctrine and accept it. That includes the intercession of the saints, their invocation in prayer, and participation in the liturgy where the saints are invoked.
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I see now we have segued from the topic of the thread (prayers to saints) to joining your denomination. If you would like to start a new thread on that topic I recommend that you do so on the Denomination Specific board.
BTW, one is not required to pray to any specific Catholic saints in order to be a member of your denomination.
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I will out of courtesy when they ask me, but I have no expectations that my prayers for others have any merit of their own. When asked to pray for others I encourage them to pray to God themselves through our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ.
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How do they know when to rejoice when someone repents?
“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. Luke15:7 NASB1995
In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.””
Luke 15:10 NASB1995
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The context in James is that of a sick Christian. He is to summon the elders, not just ordinary church members, nor deceased church members. He is not to go on pilgrimage either.
The elders are to administer physical remedy in the form of anointing with oil (which was the primary means for medical treatment for centuries). They are to lay their hands on him and pray for him. He is to confess his sins (with the clear belief that illness is the product of sin) and his sins will be forgiven.
First, I am not an elder and would not be called upon in such a circumstance. Nor am I a first responder and would simply get in the way of those with those skills. Nor am I a physician. Thus, I have yet to find myself in this sort of situation.
When I am ill I usually give my ailment sufficient time and rest to resolve itself. If it is not resolved in a timely manner I see my general physician. He has yet to fail me, although I expect, in due time, I will pass from this scene. After all, the wages of sin still remains death. You may rightly think that I lack faith. The Christian Scientists disdain medical doctors and have more faith probably that both of us combined, but they have a disquieting tendency to die of treatable diseases.
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In this world of 7.9 billion people
World Population Clock: 7.98 Billion People (2022) - Worldometer
-- there are a great many of them who regard a great many different practices with a sense of "deep meaning".
I don't see how it could be any other way.
So your question amounts to "no matter that you don't find that Bible to support my specific practice - do you not know that I regard it with deep meaning anyway?". And I have to say that yes - we do know you hold to it as having deep meaning. No doubt about it.
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I think I at first read it to mean "have you considered holding to this practice as having deep meaning" - but now I see that you were not asking that question. Rather you were asking if I knew that other people held that practice to have deep meaning... and I would say yes - I do know that ... as with a great many other practices that the 7.9 billion on earth hold to as having deep meaning - where I or may not also agree with that idea.
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