Praying is now illegal

[Darren Court]

I expect that she will be back to Station Road next week. I will check the local news again tonight, though if the case has been dropped there is not much of a story.

This is not really a demonstration. I suppose to her it is a vigil. What a waste of time!

I doubt she'll be back.....
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Waste of time? Her time in the vigil or the police and CPS for even thinking of prosecuting! I wouldn't be surprised if she sues the police for frivolous arrest as they'd have a hard time defending it!

 

[Whyayeman]

Yes, I dare say she will as part of her unrelenting campaign. Abortion is legal in this country. Whatever her views, people are entitled to pursue their legal rights. She is a public nuisance, annoying the people who live and work in Station Road, intimidating clients and passers by.

Schoolchildren use this street to get to their local school and have been harassed by her and her associates. That is just misbehaviour.

 

[Darren Court]

Yes, I dare say she will as part of her unrelenting campaign. Abortion is legal in this country. Whatever her views, people are entitled to pursue their legal rights. She is a public nuisance, annoying the people who live and work in Station Road, intimidating clients and passers by.

Schoolchildren use this street to get to their local school and have been harassed by her and her associates. That is just misbehaviour.

I presume you have evidence of your outlandish claims or are you just venting your own pent up emotions?

 

[Bradskii]

You don't think being imprisoned is an assault on freedom of speech?

It depends what was said. If it was similar to what you posted it was shameful. You should apologise for it.

 

[Whyayeman]

I presume you have evidence of your outlandish claims or are you just venting your own pent up emotions?

You presume correctly. You might have observed in earlier posts that I have family who live close to this area. A family member attends the school I mentioned and she regularly walks up and down the street. This is what she told me - just last weekend.

So, not outlandish at all.

But you do not need to rely on me. The Birmingham Post report cited by me [#111] is a reliable source.

 

[Darren Court]

You presume correctly. You might have observed in earlier posts that I have family who live close to this area. A family member attends the school I mentioned and she regularly walks up and down the street. This is what she told me - just last weekend.

So, not outlandish at all.

But you do not need to rely on me. The Birmingham Post report cited by me [#111] is a reliable source.

I'm going to call you out on that.... the nice word is "heresay" I don't care how close you live, how many family members you have in the street or for that matter what the guy down the pub told you, your claims are either factual or outlandish!
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You specifically said "she is a public nuisance, annoying the people who live and work in Station Road, intimidating clients and passers by." and that "Schoolchildren use this street to get to their local school and have been harassed by her and her associates."
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I've no doubt such incidents have occurred and for the record I don't support them, but the issue her is particular woman and I've seen no evidence she was at all involved in such things....
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So it should be pretty easy for you to provide the evidence that this woman was directly involved or my suspicions have been proven!
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[Bradskii]

I'm going to call you out on that....

Good grief. The man has just told you that an actual family member has told him what the woman has been doing. Someone who lives in the area. Who uses the very street. Apart from @Whyayeman giving you first hand info and maybe taking pictures of the woman this is about as close as you are going go get to some factual information about it.

And you are calling him out on it? Absolutely outrageous...

Notwithstanding that your comprehension of what was said needs a lot of work:

'...the Birmingham Post citing you as reliable source..'

He was citing the Post. As he said. The Post was not citing him.

 

[Darren Court]

Good grief. The man has just told you that an actual family member has told him what the woman has been doing. Someone who lives in the area. Who uses the very street. Apart from @Whyayeman giving you first hand info and maybe taking pictures of the woman this is about as close as you are going go get to some factual information about it.

And you are calling him out on it? Absolutely outrageous...

Notwithstanding that your comprehension of what was said needs a lot of work:

'...the Birmingham Post citing you as reliable source..'

He was citing the Post. As he said. The Post was not citing him.

Good grief, why do you believe what he says? Is it because of some kind of bias? Outrageous!
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He said this woman has been a nuisance and if that's the case then there will be evidence of it unless, of course, the claim is that she was a nuisance and nobody bothered to report her! I agreed that there have been a number of incidents and complaints of the protests but that it's not the point here because it's about the woman who was arrested... Please try to keep up!
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On the last point, I see you're right and I was mixed up by the phrasing... so I edited my answer to reflect. The irony is though that article he refers to does not mention the woman in question at all and is, therefore, completely irrelevant. I presume you didn't bother to check it out because you wanted to believe him!
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Here I'll repost the article and you can check out the truth instead of commenting on heresay!

Calls to end years of anti-abortion protests outside city clinic

Complaints have been made about "pro-life" campaigners handing out graphic leaflets, chanting and blocking access to women using the facility

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[Aussie Pete]

So you're admitting that the Christians that you mentioned were indeed being offensive? Thus the police were justified in arresting them.

People take offence, it is not given. God is perfect in every way, but people hate His ways and so rebel against Him.

It depends what was said. If it was similar to what you posted it was shameful. You should apologise for it.

I will not apologise for God's ways. If you have a beef, take it up with Him. Someone has to tell the alphabet soup people that it's not OK with God. If they choose to ignore that, fine. Their choice. If they are so sure of themselves, how come they are so sensitive? They are like bugs under a rock. Lift the rock and watch them run around in panic.

 

[Bradskii]

Good grief, why do you believe what he says?

I have no reason to doubt him. He is either lying or simply giving you information that you wanted. In my time here reading his posts he comes across as someone with integrity so to suggest the first would be nonsensical. And you actually suggesting it (which must be very close to breaking forum rules) says more about you than anything you have yet posted.

 

[Bradskii]

I will not apologise for God's ways. If you have a beef, take it up with Him. Someone has to tell the alphabet soup people that it's not OK with God. If they choose to ignore that, fine. Their choice. If they are so sure of themselves, how come they are so sensitive? They are like bugs under a rock. Lift the rock and watch them run around in panic.

Nobody has complained about God. I am complaining about you and your language. Which was not insinuating, but actually saying specifically that some of my friends and relatives are no better than murderers.

Can I suggest that you are hiding behind forum anonymity and that those statements would not be made face to face. Certainly not to my face.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Nobody has complained about God. I am complaining about you and your language. Which was not insinuating, but actually saying specifically that some of my friends and relatives are no better than murderers.

Can I suggest that you are hiding behind forum anonymity and that those statements would not be made face to face. Certainly not to my face.

Sin is sin. That's all there is to it. The homosexual community wants to whitewash their sin to the point that the law even tries to protect them from God's conviction. I know a lot more than I have time to communicate here.

One of my friends was gay and died from AIDS. It did not have to happen. That was before medications were available to keep sufferers alive.

You can contact me via our website, Christian Life Frankston | Daily Bread

I have nothing to hide and I would say to you in person what I say on the forum.

Nobody has complained about God. I am complaining about you and your language. Which was not insinuating, but actually saying specifically that some of my friends and relatives are no better than murderers.

Can I suggest that you are hiding behind forum anonymity and that those statements would not be made face to face. Certainly not to my face.

 

[Bradskii]

One of my friends was gay and died from AIDS.

Did you tell him he was no better than a murderer before he died?

With friends like you...

 

[Darren Court]

I have no reason to doubt him. He is either lying or simply giving you information that you wanted. In my time here reading his posts he comes across as someone with integrity so to suggest the first would be nonsensical. And you actually suggesting it (which must be very close to breaking forum rules) says more about you than anything you have yet posted.

I have no reason to doubt him. You have no reason to trust him either but you trust to do so in order to support his condemnation of a woman you know little to nothing about!
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He is either lying or simply giving you information that you wanted. Not true.... he could also be mistaken or misheard. It could simply be that he believes this lady was among the protesters who have caused a nuisance when she wasn't there!
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In my time here reading his posts he comes across as someone with integrity so to suggest the first would be nonsensical. Wow, not much to say about that.
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And you actually suggesting it (which must be very close to breaking forum rules) says more about you than anything you have yet posted. Suggesting what? That he might be mistaken, that he should provide evidence for his claims that this woman has been a nuisance or that he might just be venting? I think I've been pretty reasonable in the face of no evidence and the fact you decide to believe him without evidence, to support him with no evidence and then infer I'm close to breaking rules, does say something.

 

[Whyayeman]

I'm going to call you out on that.... the nice word is "heresay" I don't care how close you live, how many family members you have in the street or for that matter what the guy down the pub told you, your claims are either factual or outlandish!

I cannot say with certainty that the woman in question was specifically the person my relative has encountered, only that these things happened. It is hearsay - I wasn't there; but I believe her account implicitly. I asked her one question: 'Do you know Station Road, which is quite near your school?' Then she told me everything I reported in my post, unprompted.

I think you are splitting hairs to say that it was not the woman in question who was responsible for all these incidents. I resent the implication that I have been insincere - or worse, lying. I promised that I would try to find out what I could because I knew the area and have family and friends in Kings Norton. That is what I have done.

 

[Darren Court]

I cannot say with certainty that the woman in question was specifically the person my relative has encountered, only that these things happened. It is hearsay - I wasn't there; but I believe her account implicitly. I asked her one question: 'Do you know Station Road, which is quite near your school?' Then she told me everything I reported in my post, unprompted.

I think you are splitting hairs to say that it was not the woman in question who was responsible for all these incidents. I resent the implication that I have been insincere - or worse, lying. I promised that I would try to find out what I could because I knew the area and have family and friends in Kings Norton. That is what I have done.

Thank you for your honesty. You specifically inferred that you knew this woman was involved and I found that suspicious!
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You may not have intended it but you were directly saying this woman had a history and it's precisely and only that I was calling you on. In fact, I specifically said that I didn't doubt the events you said happened, just not with this women!
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Do I need to point out your words?
Yes, I dare say she will as part of her unrelenting campaign.
She is a public nuisance, annoying the people who live and work in Station Road, intimidating clients and passers by.
Schoolchildren use this street to get to their local school and have been harassed by her and her associates. That is just misbehaviour.
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At best you made mistake and Bradskii totally believed you knew that this women specifically was part of the problem in the area and it would be good if you would admit your error and the confusion caused by it but it does seem you're going to try to say it's not relevant when you say "I think you are splitting hairs to say that it was not the woman in question who was responsible for all these incidents.
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I am not splitting hairs. This discussion started with action of one woman and has been about her the whole time. You were very clear and specific in saying she was a nuisance and was directly involved when you have no knowledge or evidence of her involvement. It certainly wouldn't be splitting hairs if someone was accusing your sister of being involved!

 

[Darren Court]

I have no reason to doubt him. He is either lying or simply giving you information that you wanted. In my time here reading his posts he comes across as someone with integrity so to suggest the first would be nonsensical. And you actually suggesting it (which must be very close to breaking forum rules) says more about you than anything you have yet posted.

If you read Whyayeman answer you will now see he was mistaken and so I presume you will soon be making an apology?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Did you tell him he was no better than a murderer before he died?

With friends like you...

I didn't know at the time that he was gay. He was saved and had turned away from his old way of life. Then he backslid. I would have warned him that he was disqualifying himself from the kingdom of God. Perhaps someone else did. He'd moved to the USA by the time I found out.

Homosexuality is no more or less sinful than any other sin. Yet some, like you, would whitewash it and say that there is nothing wrong. God saves sinners. Being convicted of sin is the prerequisite for salvation.

I happen to believe that the Bible is God's word and that I should be guided by it. This is what it has to say:

Ephesians 5:10-12

"Test and prove what pleases the Lord. Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.…"

 

[Bradskii]

I didn't know at the time that he was gay. He was saved and had turned away from his old way of life. Then he backslid. I would have warned him that he was disqualifying himself from the kingdom of God. Perhaps someone else did. He'd moved to the USA by the time I found out.

Luckily that he didn't have to listen to you saying that he was no better than a murderer.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Luckily that he didn't have to listen to you saying that he was no better than a murderer.

Beats hearing "depart from Me............."