praying in tongues glossolia

[Goatee]

Waw! You were there? Buddy? Well seeing as you were there when Jesus groaned in the Spirit, did you video it for us buddy?

Just like when you were with Paul and understood his 'Speaking in tongues' old buddy!!

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Just like when you were with Paul and understood his 'Speaking in tongues' old buddy!!

You were there too?

 

[Biblicist]

Some argue Jesus spoke in tongues in John 11:33

When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in his spirit, and was troubled

At the very least, tongues is similar to this "groaning in spirit".

To be fair, the translation “groaned in his spirit” is not all that good a choice as the Greek word is better translated as anger, admonish or agitation. I suppose we should ask why would the Son of God need to speak in tongues when he already had a level of communication open to his Father that no one else has ever had.

NASB < GK1839//SG1690> ἐμβριμάομαι embrimaomai
Meaning: to be moved with anger, to admonish sternly
Origin: from 1722 and βριμάομαι brimaomai (to snort with anger)

Friberg Lexicon:

9231 ἐμβριμάομαι (and ἐμβριμόομαι) present act. ptc. ἐμβριμῶν (JN 11.38); 1aor. mid. ἐνεβριμησάμην; 1aor. pass. ἐνεβριμήθην; (1) as emphasizing what is forbidden to do sternly warn, admonish strictly (MT 9.30); (2) as expressing intense agitation be deeply moved, groan (JN 11.33); (3) as expressing anger or displeasure scold, reproach, grumble at (MK 14.5)​

UBS Lexicon:

2061 ἐμβριμάομαι speak harshly to; criticize harshly; ἐ. ἐν ἐμαυτῷ or ἐ. ἐν πνεύματι be deeply moved (Jn 11.33, 38)​

Spoiler: Bible Translations–John 11:33

BNT John 11:33 Ἰησοῦς οὖν ὡς εἶδεν αὐτὴν κλαίουσαν καὶ τοὺς συνελθόντας αὐτῇ Ἰουδαίους κλαίοντας, ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι καὶ ἐτάραξεν ἑαυτὸν

NAU John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and 1cwas troubled,

NIV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

NIB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

CJB John 11:33 When Yeshua saw her crying, and also the Judeans who came with her crying, he was deeply moved and also troubled.

NRS John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, he was greatly disturbed in spirit and deeply moved.

CSB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her crying, and the Jews who had come with her crying, He was angry in His spirit and deeply moved.

ESV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled.

CSBO John 11:33 When Jesus saw her crying, and the Jews who had come with her crying, He was angry in His spirit and deeply moved.

ERV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

KJV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

NKJ John 11:33 Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.

NLT John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him,1 and he was deeply troubled.

NAB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come with her weeping, he became perturbed and deeply troubled,

NABO John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come with her weeping, he became perturbed and deeply troubled,

NET John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the people who had come with her weeping, he was intensely moved64 in spirit and greatly distressed.

NAS John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her 1weeping, and the Jews who came with her, also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit, and was troubled,

NJB John 11:33 At the sight of her tears, and those of the Jews who had come with her, Jesus was greatly distressed, and with a profound sigh he said,

NIRV John 11:33 Jesus saw her crying. He saw that the Jews who had come along with her were crying also. His spirit became very sad, and he was troubled.

RSV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled;

ASV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

TNIV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

YLT John 11:33 Jesus, therefore, when he saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, did groan in the spirit, and troubled himself, and he said,

BGT John 11:33 Ἰησοῦς οὖν ὡς εἶδεν αὐτὴν κλαίουσαν καὶ τοὺς συνελθόντας αὐτῇ Ἰουδαίους κλαίοντας, ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι καὶ ἐτάραξεν ἑαυτὸν

 

[YouAreAwesome]

To be fair, the translation “groaned in his spirit” is not all that good a choice as the Greek word is better translated as anger, admonish or agitation. I suppose we should ask why would the Son of God need to speak in tongues when he already had a level of communication open to his Father that no one else has ever had.

NASB < GK1839//SG1690> ἐμβριμάομαι embrimaomai
Meaning: to be moved with anger, to admonish sternly
Origin: from 1722 and βριμάομαι brimaomai (to snort with anger)

Friberg Lexicon:

9231 ἐμβριμάομαι (and ἐμβριμόομαι) present act. ptc. ἐμβριμῶν (JN 11.38); 1aor. mid. ἐνεβριμησάμην; 1aor. pass. ἐνεβριμήθην; (1) as emphasizing what is forbidden to do sternly warn, admonish strictly (MT 9.30); (2) as expressing intense agitation be deeply moved, groan (JN 11.33); (3) as expressing anger or displeasure scold, reproach, grumble at (MK 14.5)​

UBS Lexicon:

2061 ἐμβριμάομαι speak harshly to; criticize harshly; ἐ. ἐν ἐμαυτῷ or ἐ. ἐν πνεύματι be deeply moved (Jn 11.33, 38)​

Spoiler: Bible Translations–John 11:33

BNT John 11:33 Ἰησοῦς οὖν ὡς εἶδεν αὐτὴν κλαίουσαν καὶ τοὺς συνελθόντας αὐτῇ Ἰουδαίους κλαίοντας, ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι καὶ ἐτάραξεν ἑαυτὸν

NAU John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and 1cwas troubled,

NIV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

NIB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

CJB John 11:33 When Yeshua saw her crying, and also the Judeans who came with her crying, he was deeply moved and also troubled.

NRS John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, he was greatly disturbed in spirit and deeply moved.

CSB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her crying, and the Jews who had come with her crying, He was angry in His spirit and deeply moved.

ESV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled.

CSBO John 11:33 When Jesus saw her crying, and the Jews who had come with her crying, He was angry in His spirit and deeply moved.

ERV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

KJV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

NKJ John 11:33 Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.

NLT John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and saw the other people wailing with her, a deep anger welled up within him,1 and he was deeply troubled.

NAB John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come with her weeping, he became perturbed and deeply troubled,

NABO John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come with her weeping, he became perturbed and deeply troubled,

NET John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the people who had come with her weeping, he was intensely moved64 in spirit and greatly distressed.

NAS John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her 1weeping, and the Jews who came with her, also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit, and was troubled,

NJB John 11:33 At the sight of her tears, and those of the Jews who had come with her, Jesus was greatly distressed, and with a profound sigh he said,

NIRV John 11:33 Jesus saw her crying. He saw that the Jews who had come along with her were crying also. His spirit became very sad, and he was troubled.

RSV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled;

ASV John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

TNIV John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

YLT John 11:33 Jesus, therefore, when he saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, did groan in the spirit, and troubled himself, and he said,

BGT John 11:33 Ἰησοῦς οὖν ὡς εἶδεν αὐτὴν κλαίουσαν καὶ τοὺς συνελθόντας αὐτῇ Ἰουδαίους κλαίοντας, ἐνεβριμήσατο τῷ πνεύματι καὶ ἐτάραξεν ἑαυτὸν

Yah, that's why I started with "I've heard it argued" or something similar. I don't think it's a strong case, but I do like that Jesus wasn't a stoic monotone temperament, but strongly felt emotion and expressed it. I can imagine Him saying something like "oooAAAAGH!", almost like frustration but directed with intent towards death and the work of Satan.

 

[Biblicist]

Yah, that's why I started with "I've heard it argued" or something similar. I don't think it's a strong case, but I do like that Jesus wasn't a stoic monotone temperament, but strongly felt emotion and expressed it. I can imagine Him saying something like "oooAAAAGH!", almost like frustration but directed with intent towards death and the work of Satan.

Yes, I think that many people would imagine Jesus quietly sitting or standing before his Father while he was here on earth praying in a meek and mild manner. Even though I am always reticent to put words into the mouth of any member of the Trinity, I would envision the prayer times of Jesus as often being very emotional events.

 

[Biblicist]

Yah, that's why I started with "I've heard it argued" or something similar. I don't think it's a strong case, but I do like that Jesus wasn't a stoic monotone temperament, but strongly felt emotion and expressed it. I can imagine Him saying something like "oooAAAAGH!", almost like frustration but directed with intent towards death and the work of Satan.

Undoubtedly you were suggesting that there could possibly be a connection with John 11:33 and Rom 8:23 & 26;

(NASB) And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, ethe redemption of our body.

NASB <SG4727>στενάζω stenazo
Meaning: to groan (within oneself)
Origin: from στένω steno (to moan, sigh, groan)
Usage: complain(1), deep sigh(1), grief(1), groan(3).
​

(NASB) In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for awe do not know how to pray as we should, but bthe Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

NASB<SG4726> στεναγμός stenagmos
Meaning: a groaning
Origin: from 4727
Usage: groanings(1), groans(1).​

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Undoubtedly you were suggesting that there could possibly be a connection with John 11:33 and Rom 8:23 & 26;

(NASB) And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, ethe redemption of our body.

NASB <SG4727>στενάζω stenazo
Meaning: to groan (within oneself)
Origin: from στένω steno (to moan, sigh, groan)
Usage: complain(1), deep sigh(1), grief(1), groan(3).
​

(NASB) In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for awe do not know how to pray as we should, but bthe Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

NASB<SG4726> στεναγμός stenagmos
Meaning: a groaning
Origin: from 4727
Usage: groanings(1), groans(1).​

Yes.

 

[swordsman1]

You assume where Paul spoke in tongues more than them all. There is no evidence for 'preaching in tongues' in the Bible.

I never said Paul preached in tongues. I said the other legitimate scenario for speaking in tongues, apart from in church, was in public places where foreigners were present as at Pentecost.

If God has not forbid something, you should not. Especially in this case, since the passage says 'forbid not to speak with tongues.' You presume to assume that this speaks of tongues in the assembly, and are brazen enough to forbid speaking in tongues where the Bible has not.

This is what the Bible says about spiritual gifts:

1 Peter 4:10 "Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms."

1 Cor 12:7 "Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good."

The gifts are to be exercised in love (1 Cor 13:1-3) and 'love is not self serving' (v5).

In 1 Cor 12:12-27 Paul goes to great pains to point out that the gifts are for the benefit of the body of Christ, just as our members (eyes, ears, hands etc) are for the benefit of our human bodies.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

I never said Paul preached in tongues. I said the other legitimate scenario for speaking in tongues, apart from in church, was in public places where foreigners were present as at Pentecost.



This is what the Bible says about spiritual gifts:

1 Peter 4:10 "Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms."

1 Cor 12:7 "Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good."

The gifts are to be exercised in love (1 Cor 13:1-3) and love is not self serving (v5).

In 1 Cor 12:12-27 Paul goes to great pains to point out that the gifts are for the benefit of the body of Christ, just as our members (eyes, ears, hands etc) are for the benefit of our human bodies.

Q: Why do you eat food? Why not give it to the poor? They need it more than you.
A: Because if you eat food, you can grow in strength, and in the long run, you will help many more people than if you stopped eating.

One could argue, "I eat food for the good of others".

 

[Goatee]

I see that the 'speaking in tongues' brigade have taken what they see in scripture, put it through a mangle to get it to fit their own beliefs and then try and persuade everyone that what they are doing is scripturaly correct for them!

I dont see it. They claim this and that and quote Paul etc but for me, speaking in tongues was for the Apostles. Everything you hear these days is relatively 'new'. And of course, gibberish.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

I see that the 'speaking in tongues' brigade have taken what they see in scripture, put it through a mangle to get it to fit their own beliefs and then try and persuade everyone that what they are doing is scripturaly correct for them!

I dont see it. They claim this and that and quote Paul etc but for me, speaking in tongues was for the Apostles. Everything you hear these days is relatively 'new'. And of course, gibberish.

Hahahaha you are a funny dude, I'll give you that.

But tell me, have you read 1 Corinthians 14 over and over to check if your understanding of tongues actually makes sense? Because for me, when I read it, it just doesn't make sense any other way!

 

[swordsman1]

To deem any literary unit as being based on hyperbole we must be convinced that what the author has stated is something that either cannot be achieved or that it is so unlikely to occur that logic and reason would dictate that the author is employing hyperbole.

Indeed. And it is most unlikely that Paul fathomed ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge (ie he was omniscient). It is most unlikely that he moved mountains, gave absolutely ALL he possessed to feed the poor, or gave his body to be burned. Therefore it is most unlikely he spoke in the tongues of angels.

B. Hypothesis (what is hypothetical)
1 Corinthians: A Shorter Exegetical & Pastoral Commentary, Anthony C. Thiselton (2000) p.218
If I were to speak in human or in angelic tongues (v. 1) is an indefinite hypothesis. The NIV and NRSV miss this by treating it as an open or contingent hypothesis, “if I speak . . . ,” just as AV/KJV and NJB miss this with “though I speak.” Paul paints a hypothetical scenario without praise or blame: suppose it were the case that I spoke with... angelic tongues but had not love, I would have become — like what? Paul uses for his analogy a piece of bronze that was constructed not to produce a musical note with a definite tone and pitch but only to amplify sound or noise. Without love I would merely be an ancient megaphone, an acoustic resonator or a resonating, reverberating acoustic jar. The Greek word involved (echon) denotes not a pitched note, but what transmits sound, usually through resonating. Coupled with the Greek alalazon, it denotes endlessly reverberating noise that produces no melody. (See Harris, “‘Sounding Brass’”; and Klein, “Noisy Gong or Acoustic Vase?”)

Thiselton is right. Paul was speaking hypothetically to make his point. Even if he had the gifts to the highest degree conceivable, but not have love, it would be to no avail. You cannot prophecy to a higher degree than fathoming ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge (ie being omniscient). You cannot have faith to a higher degree than being able to move mountains. You cannot give to a higher degree than giving away ALL that you own, or even giving your own life. And neither can you have the gift of tongues to a higher degree than speaking the language of angels. They are all hypothetical scenarios.

Tongues of men - Latin, Greek, Aramaic & Hebrew

The tongues (glossa) of men is the normal operation of the gift, miraculously speaking other human languages. The context of this passage is the gifts, not learned abilities.

Tongues of angels – Paul regularly prayed to the Father through the Holy Spirit (14:15)

But that is not praying in the tongues of angels. Nowhere does it say Paul or anyone else spoke in the language of angels.

• Knows all mysteries – He knew all ‘knowable’ and ‘revealed’ mysteries (1Cor 4:1)

It doesn't say 'knowable' and 'revealed'. It says if I could can fathom ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge"

Gives all his possessions to the poor – Paul was often destitute (1Cor 4:11-12)

But not from giving away ALL that he owned to feed the poor.

Surrendered his body to be burned (or maybe to boast) – Paul knew that he would one day have to give his life for Christ

Where does it say that? (including his mode of execution)

Anthony C. Thiselton has addresses how the 'to remove mountains of verse 2 is not hyperbole but in fact a proverbial saying.

Yes, it was figurative language, not something Paul did literally. He didn't literally do any of the things in those parallel statements.

 

[Goatee]

Hahahaha you are a funny dude, I'll give you that.

But tell me, have you read 1 Corinthians 14 over and over to check if your understanding of tongues actually makes sense? Because for me, when I read it, it just doesn't make sense any other way!

5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6 Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played?

9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air

See! You need interpretation of your gibberish for it to come from God!!!!! What those hundreds or thousands of people utter cannot be interpreted and is just gibberish!

 

[LinkH]

I see that the 'speaking in tongues' brigade have taken what they see in scripture, put it through a mangle to get it to fit their own beliefs and then try and persuade everyone that what they are doing is scripturaly correct for them!

I dont see it. They claim this and that and quote Paul etc but for me, speaking in tongues was for the Apostles. Everything you hear these days is relatively 'new'. And of course, gibberish.

And you offer no scriptural argument that supports your case, just assertions and opinions.

 

[LinkH]

See! You need interpretation of your gibberish for it to come from God!!!!! What those hundreds or thousands of people utter cannot be interpreted and is just gibberish!

You did quote some scripture, but your conclusion isn't accurate. Paul is talking about genuine speaking in tongues in the chapter. It is implied in the passage that it is possible to speak in genuine tongues without interpreting properly. That is why verse 28 is in there.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Some argue Jesus spoke in tongues in John 11:33

When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in his spirit, and was troubled

At the very least, tongues is similar to this "groaning in spirit".

I think based on the greek word we translate to groaning there is not much evidence that he was speaking in tongues.

embrimaomai

Pronunciation
em-brē-mä'-o-mī (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἐν (G1722) and brimaomai (to snort with anger)
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry

KJV Translation Count — Total: 5x
The KJV translates Strongs G1690 in the following manner: straitly charge (2x), groan (2x), murmur against (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to charge with earnest admonition, sternly to charge, threatened to enjoin
   

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἐμβριμάομαι embrimáomai, em-brim-ah'-om-ahee; from G1722 and βριμάομαι brimáomai (to snort with anger); to have indignation on, i.e. (transitively) to blame, (intransitively) to sigh with chagrin, (specially) to sternly enjoin:—straitly charge, groan, murmur against.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?]

 

[Goatee]

And you offer no scriptural argument that supports your case, just assertions and opinions.

5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6 Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played?

9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air

See! You need interpretation of your gibberish for it to come from God!!!!! What those hundreds or thousands of people utter cannot be interpreted and is just gibberish!

 

[Goatee]

You did quote some scripture, but your conclusion isn't accurate. Paul is talking about genuine speaking in tongues in the chapter. It is implied in the passage that it is possible to speak in genuine tongues without interpreting properly. That is why verse 28 is in there.

5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6 Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played?

9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air

See! You need interpretation of your gibberish for it to come from God!!!!! What those hundreds or thousands of people utter cannot be interpreted and is just gibberish!

 

[LinkH]

5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6 Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played?

9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air

See! You need interpretation of your gibberish for it to come from God!!!!! What those hundreds or thousands of people utter cannot be interpreted and is just gibberish!

The verses you quote disprove the conclusion you make. The reason Paul told these people-- with the genuine ability to speak in tongues--about interpreting tongues is because it is possible to speak in tongues without interpreting it to edify the congregation.

I notice this is a common theme of yours on this topic. Your assertions and opinions do not tend to match up with what the passages of scripture actually say.

Also, I notice you seem to have some stereotype in your mind. You mentioned people screeching in tongues. You may have seen some video clip. You can probably find churches in the mountains where preachers sound like they are hyperventilating, and people yell and holler in tongues.

It also seems like you may be unaware of interpretation of tongues. My experience with speaking in tongues in church growing up is that an individual would give a message in tongues and someone else would interpret the tongue. From time to time, I've been in churches where they encouraged everyone to speak in tongues at the same time. But that is certainly not the case with all churches that have people who speak in tongues. I grew up in churches that believed in tongues being interpreted.

 

[Goatee]

The verses you quote disprove the conclusion you make. The reason Paul told these people-- with the genuine ability to speak in tongues--about interpreting tongues is because it is possible to speak in tongues without interpreting it to edify the congregation.

I notice this is a common theme of yours on this topic. Your assertions and opinions do not tend to match up with what the passages of scripture actually say.

Also, I notice you seem to have some stereotype in your mind. You mentioned people screeching in tongues. You may have seen some video clip. You can probably find churches in the mountains where preachers sound like they are hyperventilating, and people yell and holler in tongues.

It also seems like you may be unaware of interpretation of tongues. My experience with speaking in tongues in church growing up is that an individual would give a message in tongues and someone else would interpret the tongue. From time to time, I've been in churches where they encouraged everyone to speak in tongues at the same time. But that is certainly not the case with all churches that have people who speak in tongues. I grew up in churches that believed in tongues being interpreted.

Obviously you are going to find fault as you want to really believe in what you do in your church. Its not a matter of just seeing and posting videos either. Its what i have seen myself.

100,s wailing / shouting the 'same' noises! Nobody interpreting! People writhing on the floor!

Jesus usually banished horrible spirits from people he came across doing that!

Jesus did not mention about 'speaking in tongues' now did he? I believe the Pentecostal church has got it all wrong and has invented what we see today. It has spread through to other faiths too.