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[Stryder06]

I rather apply scriptures to understanding until the Holy Spirit makes me accept commentary.





NKJV - Exd 20:11 -For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.




Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

NLT - Exd 20:11 -For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; then he rested on the seventh day.
That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

Then apply it. It's your own commentary that keeps you from accepting what any of us have to say about the sabbath. God said "Remember the sabbath day". If it was a new institution created at that time why not say "The seventh day shall be the sabbath day and you shall keep it holy".

 

[k4c]

I rather apply scriptures to understanding until the Holy Spirit makes me accept commentary.

NKJV - Exd 20:11 -For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

NLT - Exd 20:11 -For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; then he rested on the seventh day.
That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.

Does not have to mean a physical rest because one is tired.

1) to cease, desist, rest
a) (Qal)
1) to cease
2) to rest, desist (from labour)
b) (Niphal) to cease
c) (Hiphil)
1) to cause to cease, put an end to
2) to exterminate, destroy
3) to cause to desist from
4) to remove
5) to cause to fail
2) (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath

How many times the word Sabbath is translated and how it's translated throughout the Bible:

AV — cease 47, rest 11, away 3, fail 2, celebrate 1, misc 7

Since God does not need physical rest He must be referring to ceasing as an act of stopping, not to rest, but rather to acknowledge something. If I'm retired and have no job I rest 7 days a week so to rest on the seventh day would not matter to me unless it had another meaning.

 

[Stryder06]

Does not have to mean a physical rest because one is tired.

1) to cease, desist, rest
a) (Qal)
1) to cease
2) to rest, desist (from labour)
b) (Niphal) to cease
c) (Hiphil)
1) to cause to cease, put an end to
2) to exterminate, destroy
3) to cause to desist from
4) to remove
5) to cause to fail
2) (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath

How many times the word Sabbath is translated and how it's translated throughout the Bible:

AV — cease 47, rest 11, away 3, fail 2, celebrate 1, misc 7

Since God does not need physical rest He must be referring to ceasing as an act of stopping, not to rest, but rather to acknowledge something. If I'm retired and have no job I rest 7 days a week so to rest on the seventh day would not matter to me unless it had another meaning.

 

[Cribstyl]

The bible doesn't speak much regarding the fall of Lucifer, all we know from scripture is that he goofed, so yeah. With that being said I wouldn't have a clue as to what "day" he sinned on, and I don't know why that would matter.

Agreed

I'm pretty sure I said that Lucifer didn't break "the sabbath" as in the literal 7th day of the week, but that he broke the "sabbath" in spirit because he disrupted the "rest" that was in heaven. And your understanding of resting differs from mine. God told Adam to rest becuase He rested. Now does God get tired? I think not, and I doubt Adam was getting all winded and stressed out days 1-6. God told Adam to take a break so they could have some quality time together.

Honestly Crib, you calling my responses "commentary" as if yours aren't is one of the main reasons I stopped talking with you. It's almost insulting.

Didn't mean to offend Bro, I've heard it before, but I cant reference texts to what you're saying...... If you can show me anywhere in the bible that God told Adam to rest, then it's not commentary....and I will keep the Sabbath and love it.

From now on If I cant connect the dot to any text. I will ask you for scriptures to support your claims..

God gave it as a sign for his people after sin because well ya know, sin kind of came in and seperated God's people from Him. It didn't need to be a sign before sin because there wasn't a breakdown in relationship with God and man. However after sin, with all these ungrateful beings running around and serving god's of whatever, The Lord God gave decided to make the sabbath His sign, His seal, for His people. It was meant to distinguish them from the heathen practices running amok.

I'm cofused.. God said He gave to the Children of Israel.

What's amazing to me is how so many people can talk about the spirit of the law, but not apply that principle to the 4th commandment. So yeah, you take one day out of the week and rest, not work or whatever. How would that be any different from any other day you don't work? It's not, unless that day has a purpose behind calling for a cesstation of work. God doesn't give laws arbitrarily, they always have a greater reasoning behind them, one that may not be readily apparent. By having a single day out of seven to stop working and to focus on God, it's like you're recharging your spiritual battery. God blessed that day, and sanctified it. That's what makes it special.

Actually I enjoy Sabbath with SDA, and I dont see anything wrong with keeping it. But, from my perspective, SDA accuse nonsabbathkeepers of sin, and dont care what they trully believe.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl;

Didn't mean to offend Bro, I've heard it before, but I cant reference texts to what you're saying...... If you can show me anywhere in the bible that God told Adam to rest, then it's not commentary....and I will keep the Sabbath and love it.

God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED and called the seventh day HOLY at creation. These are powerfull words used by God to discribe the seventh day.

Let's see what they mean.

Holy: having a spiritually pure quality: dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion:

Bless: consecrated; sacred; holy; sanctified: worthy of adoration, reverence, or worship: divinely or supremely favored; fortunate: bringing happiness and thankfulness:

Sanctify: to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate. to entitle to reverence or respect. to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.

Do you think in the mind of Adam the seventh day had signficance or value to God? How about you when you read Genesis 2:3? How about when you read where God tells us to remember to keep holy the day He made holy? How about when Jesus says He is Lord of the Sabbath?

Actually I enjoy Sabbath with SDA, and I dont see anything wrong with keeping it. But, from my perspective, SDA accuse nonsabbathkeepers of sin, and dont care what they trully believe.

Don't you hate when people call sin, sin. I would rather have them call it a disease or an alternative lifestyle. It just makes things so much easier and less threatening...

 

[Cribstyl]

Does the Bible have to detail every sin that brought Adam down or do you think one sin, in a pefect environment, is enough to make it imperfect?

Adam had many sins in the fall such as, disobeying his Father.

When we say what the bible say we can agree.

God said sin was at Cain's door before he killed his brother. What sin might that be since the Law was not yet given that defines sin? We have, within our being, a Law that is in God's image.

Does your words and question about "law" mean that God implied the law and commandment "thou shalt not kill" to Cain? Why not a clue of the law that Cain was ready to break?

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The understanding I get from this text is; God is explaining to Cain (and all humanity); When you're not doing the right things "sin is at the door of your hands to do wrong/ or at the door of your lips, or mind to say or think wrong/ Sin is born within a man's desire, and once it is acted upon, you cannot take it back.

God is explaining how sin happens, rather than a law being present. If God had establish the wording of His law with Adam this generation would be clear on what you're implying by your comment, and Paul would be a wrong.


The place where the bible teaches us clearly about Adam to Moses, sin and the law, is in Roman chapter 5...let's apply it to wisdom.
Rom 5:12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Truth is Pauls articulates what we read in Genesis and Exodus about Adam's transgression against God's commandment (singular). and the timeline to Moses and the Law.

Your comments tends to favor the supposition that 1John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the law" as a presidence, and that sin does not exist without the 10 commandments.
The transliteration of 1John 3:4 actually said....sin is lawlessness. So, it trully no direct reference to the 10 commandments.

The Law on stone is an outward manifestation in words of a godly character, which was lost in the fall.

I believe the Sabbath is part the creation of time, which took place in Genesis.

I believe angel were made in God's image and have a Law withim them as well. Their Law governs them in the enviorment they live in, whatever that might be. I believe there may be similarities in their Law to our when it comes to godly values but I don't believe they are the same word for word.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl; When we say what the bible say we can agree.

You mean when I say what you want me to say we can agree...

Does your words and question about "law" mean that God implied the law and commandment "thou shalt not kill" to Cain? Why not a clue of the law that Cain was ready to break?

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The understanding I get from this text is; God is explaining to Cain (and all humanity); When you're not doing the right things "sin is at the door of your hands to do wrong/ or at the door of your lips, or mind to say or think wrong/ Sin is born within a man's desire, and once it is acted upon, you cannot take it back.

There has to be some voice of understanding implated in the being of man at creation in order to have any inclination of wrong or right. That voice has been spelled out in stone in the old covenant and inspired back in man's heart in the new covenant.

The place where the bible teaches us clearly about Adam to Moses, sin and the law, is in Roman chapter 5...let's apply it to wisdom.
Rom 5:12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Truth is Pauls articulates what we read in Genesis and Exodus about Adam's transgression against God's commandment (singular). and the timeline to Moses and the Law.

Adam's sin was to disobey God. So sin is to disobey God. But there was no Law to disobey, yet he and all the world die as a result. So what was Adam's desendents held accountable to if there was no Law? Was that inclination we all have within? Is that inclination the spirit of the Law?

Your comments tends to favor the supposition that 1John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the law" as a presidence, and that sin does not exist without the 10 commandments.
The transliteration of 1John 3:4 actually said....sin is lawlessness. So, it trully no direct reference to the 10 commandments.

So who's promoting lawlessness? No I!

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl; When we say what the bible say we can agree.

You mean when I say what you want me to say we can agree...

Does your words and question about "law" mean that God implied the law and commandment "thou shalt not kill" to Cain? Why not a clue of the law that Cain was ready to break?

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The understanding I get from this text is; God is explaining to Cain (and all humanity); When you're not doing the right things "sin is at the door of your hands to do wrong/ or at the door of your lips, or mind to say or think wrong/ Sin is born within a man's desire, and once it is acted upon, you cannot take it back.

There has to be some voice of understanding implated in the being of man at creation in order to have any inclination of wrong or right. That voice has been spelled out in stone in the old covenant and inspired back in man's heart in the new covenant.

The place where the bible teaches us clearly about Adam to Moses, sin and the law, is in Roman chapter 5...let's apply it to wisdom.
Rom 5:12¶Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Truth is Pauls articulates what we read in Genesis and Exodus about Adam's transgression against God's commandment (singular). and the timeline to Moses and the Law.

Adam's sin was to disobey God. So sin is to disobey God. But there was no Law to disobey, yet he and all the world die as a result. So what was Adam's desendents held accountable to if there was no Law? Was is that inclination we all have within? Is that inclination the spirit of the Law?

Your comments tends to favor the supposition that 1John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the law" as a presidence, and that sin does not exist without the 10 commandments.
The transliteration of 1John 3:4 actually said....sin is lawlessness. So, it trully no direct reference to the 10 commandments.

So who's promoting lawlessness? Not I!

 

[Stryder06]

Didn't mean to offend Bro, I've heard it before, but I cant reference texts to what you're saying...... If you can show me anywhere in the bible that God told Adam to rest, then it's not commentary....and I will keep the Sabbath and love it.

I can't show you something that's not there. Of course on the same end i guess I can say that Adam didn't have to love His wife since God never commanded Him to. I guess we can also blame Adam and Eve for Cain killing able since they obviously didn't teach him that it was wrong since the bible never tells us that they did.

From now on If I cant connect the dot to any text. I will ask you for scriptures to support your claims..

We going down this road again? You won't get the text I give you because you're looking for something that isn't there.

I'm cofused.. God said He gave to the Children of Israel. Actually I enjoy Sabbath with SDA, and I dont see anything wrong with keeping it. But, from my perspective, SDA accuse nonsabbathkeepers of sin, and dont care what they trully believe.

We're not accusing anyone of sin. We're saying the day is wrong. I can't bring conviction to you nor do I know the state of your heart. That's in God's ballpark. I can however say that black is black and white is white. I can say that the sabbath is the sabbath and that sunday is sunday. I can say that God made Sabbath holy before there was a Jew, and that Sunday is just the first day of the week, a regular work day.

I can't condemn anyone of sin, and saying that you're wrong (not you as in you) isn't condeming anyone of sin. I'm simply making you aware of a particular situation. Now, once conviction has come knocking at your heart, should you turn away from it, then it becomes sin, but when that happens isn't revealed to me, but is what God knows.

 

[k4c]

Here is a little food for thought.

The consequence of eating the fruit did not come until Adam ate it and then both their eyes were open. To me, it seems that Eve was not accountable to the sin because she was not present when God gave Adam command not to eat.

Thoughts anyone...

 

[Stryder06]

Here is a little food for thought.

The consequence of eating the fruit did not come until Adam ate it and then both their eyes were open. To me, it seems that Eve was not accountable to the sin because she was not present when God gave Adam command not to eat.

Thoughts anyone...

It was my understanding that as it were "It wasn't over" until Adam ate the fruit. In other words had Adam not eaten the fruit God would have spared him and well, I don't know what would have happened to Eve, she may have been allowed a chance to repent but still would have had to die, possibly in exile.

Just my two cents.

 

[Stewartnz]

I also share the view that Eve may have been 'recoverable' if Adam had remained faithful to God. But certainly it was Adam's sin that opened the floodgates of sin and woe to the world. Thinking he was going to lose his wife, he chose to 'go down with her'. What a tragedy it was!

"The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the [believing] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband... For what knowest thou, O wife, whether you shall save your husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether you shall save your wife?" (1Cor 7:14,16)

 

[Cribstyl]

This in no way means there weren't other laws in existence

Hebrew history may help some... do some keywords search bro.

Sorry but we are going to disagree here, in part. Man is born in sin and shaped. From birth we are evil beings. There is nothing intrinsic about morality when it comes to us. Having a knowledge of that which is moral is nothing more then the Spirit working in our lives. And it's more about sin then it is the tree. Eating the fruit didn't bring knowledge as in at that moment they were fully aware of all that was evil, rather when they disobeyed God, sin covered this planet and brough consequences that we'll probably never understand till we get to heaven.

David spoke of his own iniquity while tearfully repenting adultery with Bathsheba and having set up the death of her husband.. Psa 51:5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Concerning intrinsic morality in heathens Paul said Rom 2:14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Again, you're looking at the letter. I'd not say that most of the laws were crafted for the Isrealites to teach them how to live right. But the ten commandments, in principle are eternal. That's why God said "Love God" & "Love Thy Neighbor". All the commandments are wrapped up in those two commandments.

Let's say I agree in part.

I have no problem at all understanding how they would apply to heavenly beings. But that's me, I can't force you to see it my way so this is a moot point. Again, you have to look at the spirit of the law. Love for God and Love for your brothers. The angels who rebelled lost their love for God and their love for their fellow angels. It's actually quite simple.

Believe it or not ...from where I work.
When we leave the earth's orbit the laws of nature changes. We've expirienced and see firsthand that only the earth has 24hr days due to the sun and moon as God established. The heavens beyond the earth is not subjected to 24hrs as the earth is.

What I know about God is He is Spirit.
The fact is, God has spoken what He will do, thus He has obligated Himself by the words He has spoken.

 

[Cribstyl]

God BLESSED and SANCTIFIED and called the seventh day HOLY at creation. These are powerfull words used by God to discribe the seventh day.

Let's see what they mean.

Holy: having a spiritually pure quality: dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion:

Bless: consecrated; sacred; holy; sanctified: worthy of adoration, reverence, or worship: divinely or supremely favored; fortunate: bringing happiness and thankfulness:

Sanctify: to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate. to entitle to reverence or respect. to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.

Do you think in the mind of Adam the seventh day had signficance or value to God? How about you when you read Genesis 2:3? How about when you read where God tells us to remember to keep holy the day He made holy? How about when Jesus says He is Lord of the Sabbath?

Help me to understand creation without you thinking for me... some scriptures would help the best.

When I read Genesis 1-2:3, I learn that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day.
The fact that God's seventh day rest was blessed and sanctified does not invite Adam to rest. (Show mw where am I missing this?)
I have no dots that connects Adam to God's rest, why should I believe it?
Is there any clue that God rested weekly or just on the seventh day as I read and understand?

According to Moses, there was no morning and evening like the first six days, so could it be possible that God's rest Has no ending and time is not a factor?
Could it be possible that God was finished all of creation and went to heaven to rest on His throne?
Could if be possible that God only spoke from Heaven rather than live in the Garden with Adam?
Would God dwell where He cast Satan too?
Is Satan wiser that God?

Don't you hate when people call sin, sin. I would rather have them call it a disease or an alternative lifestyle. It just makes things so much easier and less threatening...

Actually, I pray for those who judge me and throw stone at inocent God fearing people. From my understanding by the standard you judge you will be judged.

I find that when I worship with SDA we do basically the same thing; sing, pray and preach just like on Sundays,....

 

[Cribstyl]

Here is a little food for thought.

The consequence of eating the fruit did not come until Adam ate it and then both their eyes were open. To me, it seems that Eve was not accountable to the sin because she was not present when God gave Adam command not to eat.

Thoughts anyone...

It seem to me that since God judged Adam, Eve and Satan, He held each of them accountable to sin.

The serpent
Gen 3:14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

To Eve

Gen 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

To Adam
Gen 3:17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

These curses dont have an expiration date.

The fact that God commanded Adam
Gen 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



The woman claimed to be just as accountable to what God commanded and we know that the penalty of death sure applies to her too.

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The death penalty was served to man and woman when they no longer could eat of the tree of life.

Gen 3:24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl;When I read Genesis 1-2:3, I learn that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day.

The fact that God's seventh day rest was blessed and sanctified does not invite Adam to rest. (Show mw where am I missing this?)

There are some conclusions you have to come to without Bible support. For example, why did God accept Abel's offering but not Cain's?

How did Eve know she wasn't to eat of the tree?

I have no dots that connects Adam to God's rest, why should I believe it?

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind. The only mankind at the creation of the Sabbath was Adam and Eve.

Is there any clue that God rested weekly or just on the seventh day as I read and understand?

God does not need to cease in honor of His day, but we do. God did set the example for us at creation.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

According to Moses, there was no morning and evening like the first six days, so could it be possible that God's rest Has no ending and time is not a factor?

The word, day, represents a day with a evening and morning or else it wouldn't be a day.

Could it be possible that God was finished all of creation and went to heaven to rest on His throne? Could if be possible that God only spoke from Heaven rather than live in the Garden with Adam?

Anything is possible but it still has no bearing on the holiness of the day.

Would God dwell where He cast Satan too?

God is not threatened by Satan's presence.

Is Satan wiser that God?

Maybe in his own mind.

Actually, I pray for those who judge me and throw stone at inocent God fearing people. From my understanding by the standard you judge you will be judged.

Who can judge but God? The Spirit convicts through the truth when preached.

I find that when I worship with SDA we do basically the same thing; sing, pray and preach just like on Sundays,....

You will find that others don't do the same thing as Adventists on Saturdays. That's the real issue.

 

[Cribstyl]

There are some conclusions you have to come to without Bible support. For example, why did God accept Abel's offering but not Cain's?

No bible, no deal ....

First, the bible is on fastfoward from birth to occupation of Cain and Abel.....
Then the bible tells me that one man works as a shepherd, I would expect him to bring a meat offering.
Then the bible tells me that the other man works as a farmer, I would expect him to bring a product from whatever his trade is. That's exactly what the scripture said he did.

What is clearly written is that "Abel brought the fat thereof" meaning His very best. (true or false)
It seems logical how God was honored by Abel and favored Abels offering.

What the scripture tells us next is that Cain's confidence is broken and he feels rejected by God.


If we stay with the scriptures we can see that God's discussion with Cain was far from "Your should had brought meat or a bloody turnip or something"


Your commentary will say: AHA!! Cain brought the wrong offering, so there was a law, and ten commandments....


God explains to Cain "if you would have given your best, would I not recieve you too"
God takes the next step and explains that sin was at your door because of how he was feeling.

The offerings may have had some symbolism to them, but these texts have nothing to do with a law.

How did Eve know she wasn't to eat of the tree?

Adam told her? The fact is she was told,,,, Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

What's your understanding?

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind. The only mankind at the creation of the Sabbath was Adam and Eve.

Dude, it does not take deep research to find the serious error in that transliteration.
The Greek word "anthrōpos" never means mankind.

God does not need to cease in honor of His day, but we do. God did set the example for us at creation.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Friend,,,this text is saying that "whoever enters God's rest, stops working as God did."

This is an invitation to heavenly rest with God.........today.

 

[Stewartnz]

Dude, it does not take deep research to find the serious error in that transliteration. The Greek word "anthrōpos" never means mankind.

Just a brief note on this point if I may Cribstyl.

The word "anthropos" is used here in the same way as in Mark 3:3, 3:5, 5:8, 7:15, etc. where it is rendered "the man".

The Sabbath was made [in the beginning] for "the man".

J.N. Andrews (one of Adventism's early workers) stated it well I think, when he said:

"the Saviour's language is even yet more emphatic in the original: "The Sabbath was made for THE man, not THE man for the Sabbath." This language fixes the mind on the man Adam, who was made of the dust of the ground just before the Sabbath was made for him, of the seventh day."

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl;No bible, no deal ....

First, the bible is on fastfoward from birth to occupation of Cain and Abel.....

So from the birth of Cain and Abel there is a lot you have to make up on your own...Hmmmm

Then the bible tells me that one man works as a shepherd, I would expect him to bring a meat offering.

If I was a carpenter should I bring a 2x4?

Can you tell me where the Bible tells you that? Because I'm just not finding it in my Bible?

Then the bible tells me that the other man works as a farmer, I would expect him to bring a product from whatever his trade is. That's exactly what the scripture said he did.

I just can't seem to find these guidelines in the Bible, can you show me?

What is clearly written is that "Abel brought the fat thereof" meaning His very best. (true or false)
It seems logical how God was honored by Abel and favored Abels offering.

Can you tell me, oh wise one, where Abel got this idea from? Please use Scripture because so far I hear a lot of stories from you.

What the scripture tells us next is that Cain's confidence is broken and he feels rejected by God.

You should work for Walt Disney! So when someone loses confidence and feels rejected they take a club and smash their brother's head in?

If we stay with the scriptures

Please do because so far I hear a lot of guess theology!

we can see that God's discussion with Cain was far from "Your should had brought meat or a bloody turnip or something"

Can you show me in Scripture where Cain got the idea to bring anything at all? And why would Abel even bring something dead? Scripture please...no Scripture, no deal!

Your commentary will say: AHA!! Cain brought the wrong offering, so there was a law, and ten commandments....

Can your commentary show me anything at all why Cain would even bother to bring anything, not to mention it being right or wrong?

God explains to Cain "if you would have given your best, would I not recieve you too"

Can you show me the guidelines Cain used to determine what would be best? Scripture please...no Scripture, no deal!

God takes the next step and explains that sin was at your door because of how he was feeling.

Sin? Why is it sin to give God something?

The offerings may have had some symbolism to them, but these texts have nothing to do with a law.

Long after Cain the Bible talks about the sacrificial law and guidelines. Was that the first time it was given or was Cain accountable to it as well?

Adam told her? The fact is she was told,,,, Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Sorry Walt but Eve wasn't even created when God gave Adam the command. So without adding all your self made theology, how did Eve know not to eat of the tree? Scripture please...no Scripture, no deal!

What's your understanding?

The Bible says I have no understanding. Sorry!

Dude, it does not take deep research to find the serious error in that transliteration. The Greek word "anthrōpos" never means mankind.

Apparently it takes no research at all based on the information you gave here.

Friend,,,this text is saying that "whoever enters God's rest, stops working as God did."

This is an invitation to heavenly rest with God.........today.

Is that your interpretaion or did God say heavenly rest? Scripture please...no Scripture, no deal!

 

[Stryder06]

Just a brief note on this point if I may Cribstyl.

The word "anthropos" is used here in the same way as in Mark 3:3, 3:5, 5:8, 7:15, etc. where it is rendered "the man".

The Sabbath was made [in the beginning] for "the man".

J.N. Andrews (one of Adventism's early workers) stated it well I think, when he said:

"the Saviour's language is even yet more emphatic in the original: "The Sabbath was made for THE man, not THE man for the Sabbath." This language fixes the mind on the man Adam, who was made of the dust of the ground just before the Sabbath was made for him, of the seventh day."