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[Zeena]

In the process, false teaching is being promoted as is sin/immorality in God's name - & as people hold Christian icons.

What I'd like to know is if CF is considering Unorthodoxy as "Christianity"?

I haven't thought about this before, but I see some of the unorthodox
posting as Christians in the Theology forums - I"m unclear on what CF
is declaring [definition-wise] by this. .

If unorthodoxy is going to be termed 'Christian', then
we can just expect the battle to continue & I don't see it's helping this
site any as more and more give up & walk away from CF altogether, Or
get banned due to violations in the clashes - they happen in both
sides.

I dunno -

Orthodoxy is one of many denominations..

What matters is Christ, and Him risen!

"Christianity is not only intellectual...Christianity is the reality of communion with God in the present life; it is the understanding that there is the indwelling Spirit; it is the understanding that there is the moment by moment empowering of the Holy Spirit... It is the understanding that the fruit of the Spirit is something real to all Christians. It is the understanding that prayer is real and not just a devotional exercise. Indeed we must not overreact to... super-spirituality, but we must stress that Christ... means us to affirm life and not negate life. Such is the ideal. May God show us the living balance and help us to live, by his grace, in that balance"

Francis Schaeffer

I honestly dont' see them being "worked out" - they're being fought daily.

Are you telling me that the gifts of the Spirit are irrelevant with such a statement?

If not, how are they [prophecy, teaching, healing, ect.] still relevant if we do not converse? Does everyone have the gift of Faith? Are we now to just sit back and not use our gifts and watch God move mountains?

Has apathy grown to the point of passivity?

War isn't "working anything out" is it? It's battling for victory ultimately.

God isn't 'working anything out' with His enemy Satan; He's fighting Satan
every step of the way.

A lot of people, Christians particularily, blame a lot of things on the devil, when in fact, it is the flesh which is in need of subjection to the Lord.

That's how it works with opposite sides that
have nothing in common.

Surely we can agree that Christ came to save sinners?

Same with pro choicers & pro lifers; they aren't working anything out they're fighting until they succeed (or to continue their hold on victory).

I don't see anything being worked out thru this - if anything, it's
gotten more divisive over time as the same people continue

So then, Christian forums, churches and the like, should all just scatter, seeing as we have nothing to agree upon?

Perhaps this is the Lords way of sending us to whom He will?

No man is an island precious Saint.
We NEED each other because God made it that way.

 

[Nadiine]

Orthodoxy is one of many denominations..

What matters is Christ, and Him risen!

which Christ?? The Jehovah Witnesses & Mormons
preach a Christ too. Universalists teach a Christ
who saves everyone no matter HOW they lived and
rejected Him in this life; refuting the entire point of the
gospel, "YOU MUST be born again".

The issue is which God we're talking
about. Using the Bible & claiming the Bible God doesn't mean
someone's of God - many use the bible & preach a false Christ &
false message.
(Mat. 7:21-23)

 

[Nadiine]

Originally Posted by Nadiine

I honestly dont' see them being "worked out" - they're being fought daily.
​

Are you telling me that the gifts of the Spirit are irrelevant with such a statement?

? I'm sorry, I don't get where you're going with this question?
I'm saying nothing is being "worked out" as if the ultimate goal is to
accept or stop contending against unorthodoxy (for those who are fighting against it). As if to 'agree to disagree' & start getting along.

Has apathy grown to the point of passivity?

If I were the least bit apathetic or passive, I wouldn't confront
anybody here, I'd be hanging out solely in the games forums playing
with everyone or staying in safe haven/non debating forums with my own
groups.

A lot of people, Christians particularily, blame a lot of things on the devil, when in fact, it is the flesh which is in need of subjection to the Lord.

Well... in genuine Christians, that's very true - altho Satan's at the root of all evil - either way. Sin nature comes from the same source no matter if the lost or
saved are accomodating it.

Originally Posted by Nadiine

That's how it works with opposite sides that
have nothing in common.
​

Surely we can agree that Christ came to save sinners?

Yes, & to call all to repentance.
But if God wanted those who preach a false gospel to be accepted
AS Christians, He'd not of warned anybody about how to spot them, or
not exposed them for what they were.

Nor would Paul given instruction on church discipline; who to put out
of the church when certain fruit is displayed - who to divide from.

So then, Christian forums, churches and the like, should all just scatter, seeing as we have nothing to agree upon?

Let me spell this out --
This is about who is being categorized the Christian here.
Not who deserves to be here & the lost can't be here......

What message does it send anyone when you have completely
contradictory teachings & belief systems under 1 name?
That is confusion & contradiction.

The way the site is set up, if you claim you're a Christian,
YOU ARE ONE - so any false teacher can waltz in here & CLAIM
to accept the vague, general & short definition of Christianity here
& teach heresy all day long; just as long as they don't oppose
a "Trinity" or a few other things.
(and I'll note that even some who say they agree on a Trinity,
define the Holy Spirit as an "IT" (inanimate force) - not a person.)

If they're putting JW's & Mormons & several others as "Christians" here, then what they're saying is, anyone is a Christian as long as they claim this person "Jesus" from the bible & don't refute these FEW things we enforce.

The result: false teaching in God's name everywhere -
where do you draw a line on what's true or false in Christianity?
IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE? or will the site take the position that
they just can't KNOW which is true or false & open the doors to
anyone & everyone who has their own belief?

The point is who is called a Christian and the 300 different
messages going out - which are completely contradictory in very
central issues of the faith.

Basically a site can define/redefine Christianity however they want; tossing everyone under 1 HUGE umbrella (ecumenism).
Those within the site are forced to battle it out for the true meaning
of that faith becuz biblically its impossible for the 2 to agree.

Thus, I said, it isn't "working anything out" - it's a BATTLE for
definition of spiritual truth.

Perhaps this is the Lords way of sending us to whom He will?

If so, I doubt a site would shrink but be blessed and flourish.
(which it once did prior to giving Unorthodoxy a stronghold)

No man is an island precious Saint.

I never said we were islands & I don't believe we are...
the issue is who a site deems is "Christian" -
Are false teachers or heretics going to be called Christians on a forum -
there to teach new Christians or the unsaved about God?
While others are stifled from pointing out that they're false?

The issue is the definition of the faith that a religious forum takes on.
& how confused they want the message to be. As I see this now,
it's pure confusion & infighting.
I don't see how anyone is positively served by it. - altho I do
know that God can work ALL things out for His good. It doesn't mean
that everything IS good or right or worthy of praise.

We NEED each other because God made it that way.

Sorry, but I don't agree that a Christian ministry needs false teachers or heretics or apostates or wolves scattered all thru it to work against
the truth. That element will always be in some ministries & the threat
of it is always prevalent & possible....

But if someone believes everyone's a Christian becuz they claim to be,
then it's their right to make such a site. I didn't join a site (CF) that embraced that theology - it's morphed into that more & more over time tho & there's been this constant battle as it's continued. (and according to member stats, I'd say people have spoken with their 'feet' & gone to other forums)


But God has put saved & lost on this earth together. We don't hate
people, but we are called to hate what is evil.
& Believers ARE called to divide from the false who claim Him but
preach another message. I'll continue to obey that.

I'll leave you with this verse:
2 John 1
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God;
whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.





I hope this explains my meanings better?

 

[Zeena]

Orthodoxy is one of many denominations..

What matters is Christ, and Him risen!

which Christ?? The Jehovah Witnesses & Mormons
preach a Christ too. Universalists teach a Christ
who saves everyone no matter HOW they lived and
rejected Him in this life; refuting the entire point of the
gospel, "YOU MUST be born again".

The issue is which God we're talking
about. Using the Bible & claiming the Bible God doesn't mean
someone's of God - many use the bible & preach a false Christ &
false message.
(Mat. 7:21-23)

The Jesus of the Holy Bible, of course.
JW's do not confess He is God, in the flesh or out, period.
Mormon's make Him to be the brother of Satan..
The first being anti-Scriptural, there being Scripture available to us to directly debunk such blasphemy, and the second is not found anywhere in Scripture, thereby an extra Biblical teaching and GARBAGE.

Universalists must also take into account certain Scriptures, which they fail to do;

"Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name" (Acts 15:14).

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified" (Romans 8:29,30).
"Being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:6).

And without the WHOLE counsel of God, we will not be whole this side of Heaven.

Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Baptist, ect.. All these are denominations, and they EACH have thier faults, Jesus has no faults, which is why I said that what matters is Christ, and Him Risen. If we can just agree on THAT [AT LEAST in public], and leave all doctrine [which only serve to reveal how we should live in this world, not actually affecting Eternal Salvation] on the threshold, THEN, and only then, will we come to an agreeement.

If we receive a revelation of God, it aught to be confirmed in Scripture!
Anything that is not directly correlating with what hs already been revealed of the Diety of the Lord and of doctrine [in Scripture] should be counted as rubbage, and move on. Anything that is expressly refuted by Scripture should be addressed, imo.

 

[Zeena]

? I'm sorry, I don't get where you're going with this question?
I'm saying nothing is being "worked out" as if the ultimate goal is to accept or stop contending against unorthodoxy (for those who are fighting against it). As if to 'agree to disagree' & start getting along.

It's not quite that simple. For the Lord cares about each and every soul. The condition of each soul matters to Him [who Lives in us].

If I were the least bit apathetic or passive, I wouldn't confront anybody here, I'd be hanging out solely in the games forums playing with everyone or staying in safe haven/non debating forums with my own groups.

But weren't you just saying that people are leaving due to the infighting?

Well... in genuine Christians, that's very true - altho Satan's at the root of all evil - either way. Sin nature comes from the same source no matter if the lost or saved are accomodating it.

In 'genuine Christians' the sin nature died with Christ, and what's left is the residual of the flesh, which is Scriptural. Jesus gave us His Life because He knows He's the Only One who has ever conquered sin in the flesh. He is more than willing to Live through us, thereby conquering and keeping sin in us [in our bodies, not our nature, seeing as that nature died] in check, moment by moment by having us abide in Him.

If you require Scriptual evidences for ANY of this, please do not hesitate to ask.

Yes, & to call all to repentance.

The call to repentance is for unbelievers only. Those who are 'genuine Christians' are exhorted to not [again] lay a foundation of repentance of dead works, but rather, to confess our sins to God and to each other, should we sin. And not only so, but we are exhorted to lift up the feeble hands, cover a multitude of sins and pray for anyone who is sick.

But if God wanted those who preach a false gospel to be accepted AS Christians, He'd not of warned anybody about how to spot them, or not exposed them for what they were.

Well, there is a direct correlation against this teaching from the mouth of the Lord Himself, given us in Scripture;

Mark 9:38-50
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Nor would Paul given instruction on church discipline; who to put out of the church when certain fruit is displayed - who to divide from.

Sorry to have to break this to you, but this is not church. This is an internet forum. Are the gifts of the Spirit being used here, and everywhere? I would hope so!

Let me spell this out -- This is about who is being categorized the Christian here.

And NO denomination has that down pat, no not one!

Who should be defined as Christian is not up to us, as the Lord said in the above Scripture quote, except for this; For he that is not against us is on our part. We aught to be seeking ways in which the world can bless us, with a cup of cold water.. ect, so that they will be rich in towards God.

Not who deserves to be here & the lost can't be here......

And I do not agree that the lost should be here. As I said earlier, this is not a church. This is a forum to discuss our faith with other believers first and foremost, and a place to witness to the lost secondly.

What message does it send anyone when you have completely contradictory teachings & belief systems under 1 name?
That is confusion & contradiction.

Yes it is, and God is not the Author of confusion.. These differences AUGHT to be hashed out behind closed doors, so that unbelievers do not see anything untowards.

The way the site is set up, if you claim you're a Christian, YOU ARE ONE - so any false teacher can waltz in here & CLAIM
to accept the vague, general & short definition of Christianity here
& teach heresy all day long; just as long as they don't oppose
a "Trinity" or a few other things.

...
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

(and I'll note that even some who say they agree on a Trinity,
define the Holy Spirit as an "IT" (inanimate force) - not a person.)

Symantecs.. I personally refer to the Holy Spirit in His proper gender, that being male.. But I do not see Him striking down those who do not, do you?

Matthew 12:19-21
He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

If they're putting JW's & Mormons & several others as "Christians" here, then what they're saying is, anyone is a Christian as long as they claim this person "Jesus" from the bible & don't refute these FEW things we enforce.

...
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

The result: false teaching in God's name everywhere -

But it's not 'in God's Name' now, is it?
And if it's not, it is refutable by the Word given us in Scripture.

where do you draw a line on what's true or false in Christianity?

Scripture.

IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE?

The line is already drawn..

Isaiah 28:16-20
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light for them.

 

[Zeena]

or will the site take the position that they just can't KNOW which is true or false & open the doors to anyone & everyone who has their own belief?

Jesus said He is the Truth.
And the Word of God given us in Scripture by the Holy Spirit testifies to the Truth which is Christ.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The point is who is called a Christian and the 300 different messages going out - which are completely contradictory in very central issues of the faith.

Mark 14:56
For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.

And I would add again that what is revealed of God through His Son is AVAILABLE to us in Scripture. If a witness does not conform to the body of Scripture, that witness is false, and EASILY refutable providing there is one rule on this board;that Scripture is upheld as True.

Basically a site can define/redefine Christianity however they want; tossing everyone under 1 HUGE umbrella (ecumenism).
Those within the site are forced to battle it out for the true meaning of that faith becuz biblically its impossible for the 2 to agree.

Not Biblically, no;

Philippians 1:27-28
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

Colossians 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

1 John 5:8
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.

Thus, I said, it isn't "working anything out" - it's a BATTLE for definition of spiritual truth.

But the battle is not ours, it belongs to the Lord.

http://www.pbc.org/files/messages/10443/exo023.html

If so, I doubt a site would shrink but be blessed and flourish.
(which it once did prior to giving Unorthodoxy a stronghold)

What it once did before the forum switchover to an alternate layout..
People get comfortable where they're at, and change becomes a difficult thing.

I never said we were islands & I don't believe we are... the issue is who a site deems is "Christian" - Are false teachers or heretics going to be called Christians on a forum - there to teach new Christians or the unsaved about God?

Should I quote the Words of Jesus again?
You know where I stand on this now, and I do not believe that anyone doing mircales in His Name can long speak badely of Him, as He said.

While others are stifled from pointing out that they're false?

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

2 Corinthians 4:2
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

1 Peter 4:9-11
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The issue is the definition of the faith that a religious forum takes on.
& how confused they want the message to be. As I see this now,
it's pure confusion & infighting.

Isaiah 9:5
For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 3:6-10
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

I don't see how anyone is positively served by it. - altho I do know that God can work ALL things out for His good. It doesn't mean that everything IS good or right or worthy of praise.

It is only worthy of praise when we keep our focus on Jesus. When we, even for a second, refuse to ackowledge God in all things, we stumble.

Sorry, but I don't agree that a Christian ministry needs false teachers or heretics or apostates or wolves scattered all thru it to work against the truth. That element will always be in some ministries & the threat of it is always prevalent & possible....

God agreed, and so it was.. Did you read through the ministry on the above ling entitle "The Battle Belongs to the Lord"?

But if someone believes everyone's a Christian becuz they claim to be, then it's their right to make such a site. I didn't join a site (CF) that embraced that theology - it's morphed into that more & more over time tho & there's been this constant battle as it's continued. (and according to member stats, I'd say people have spoken with their 'feet' & gone to other forums)

And I would say people have resisted change..

But God has put saved & lost on this earth together. We don't hate people, but we are called to hate what is evil.

Not only so, but to CLING TO WHAT IS GOOD, and God is good, we can cling to Him now that He is Risen.

& Believers ARE called to divide from the false who claim Him but preach another message. I'll continue to obey that.

Where is Scripture is this teaching please?

I'll leave you with this verse:
2 John 1
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.



I hope this explains my meanings better?

Well good thing for them then, because this is not my house..

 

[Nadiine]

It's not quite that simple. For the Lord cares about each and every soul. The condition of each soul matters to Him [who Lives in us].

But weren't you just saying that people are leaving due to the infighting?

In 'genuine Christians' the sin nature died with Christ, and what's left is the residual of the flesh, which is Scriptural. Jesus gave us His Life because He knows He's the Only One who has ever conquered sin in the flesh. He is more than willing to Live through us, thereby conquering and keeping sin in us [in our bodies, not our nature, seeing as that nature died] in check, moment by moment by having us abide in Him.

If you require Scriptual evidences for ANY of this, please do not hesitate to ask.


The call to repentance is for unbelievers only. Those who are 'genuine Christians' are exhorted to not [again] lay a foundation of repentance of dead works, but rather, to confess our sins to God and to each other, should we sin. And not only so, but we are exhorted to lift up the feeble hands, cover a multitude of sins and pray for anyone who is sick.


Well, there is a direct correlation against this teaching from the mouth of the Lord Himself, given us in Scripture;

Mark 9:38-50
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Sorry to have to break this to you, but this is not church. This is an internet forum. Are the gifts of the Spirit being used here, and everywhere? I would hope so!

And NO denomination has that down pat, no not one!

Who should be defined as Christian is not up to us, as the Lord said in the above Scripture quote, except for this; For he that is not against us is on our part. We aught to be seeking ways in which the world can bless us, with a cup of cold water.. ect, so that they will be rich in towards God.

And I do not agree that the lost should be here. As I said earlier, this is not a church. This is a forum to discuss our faith with other believers first and foremost, and a place to witness to the lost secondly.

Yes it is, and God is not the Author of confusion.. These differences AUGHT to be hashed out behind closed doors, so that unbelievers do not see anything untowards.

...
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

Symantecs.. I personally refer to the Holy Spirit in His proper gender, that being male.. But I do not see Him striking down those who do not, do you?

Matthew 12:19-21
He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
...
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.

But it's not 'in God's Name' now, is it?
And if it's not, it is refutable by the Word given us in Scripture.

Scripture.

The line is already drawn..

Isaiah 28:16-20
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light for them.

Zeena, no offense, but in alot of these replies, I dont' think you're
grasping what I'm saying or meaning in my posts.
It seems like you're seeing this at 1 angle, but I'm at another and we're
missing one another in most of this breakdown of my post that you've
itemized.

I'll try to untangle it when I have more time today
hope you had a nice Christmas

 

[Zeena]

Zeena, no offense, but in alot of these replies, I dont' think you're
grasping what I'm saying or meaning in my posts.
It seems like you're seeing this at 1 angle, but I'm at another and we're missing one another in most of this breakdown of my post that you've itemized.

I'll try to untangle it when I have more time today

I often misunderstand, I'm sorry.

hope you had a nice Christmas

Thanks, yea, you?

 

[daydreamergurl15]

I try never to sound angry when I am replying to someone who is debating with me on a particular subject. If I do get frustrated, I tell the person that I'm frustrated, I take a break, pray about it and come back to it when I have done the research required to answer their question. I had a question thrown to me and I was too frustrated to answer it so it took me almost three weeks to get back to the person.

I don't like walking away from a discussion that deals with God and His word but sometimes I have to walk away because each person is making the same points and it is pointless to continue that discussion. But if I am discussing something and someone is hostile or angry towards me and they start name calling, I don't care where I am in the conversation, I will abandon it. The conversation has taken a whole new tone and I don't want to be apart of it.

 

[HuntingMan]

A lot of people, Christians particularily, blame a lot of things on the devil, when in fact, it is the flesh which is in need of subjection to the Lord.

Couldnt agree more, Zeena.
Many years ago when I was a teen I heard some woman say that there was a 'demon of lust' on this man who was looking funny at her daughter.

The mans own sexual desires were at fault and in need of subjection.
Not that demons cant toss stuff in there, they certainly can, but we demonize every little sin WE commit and I often feel its to transfer guilt that WE dont want to deal with.

 

[one11]

I'm not so sure it's always anger. It could be more frustration because these are some very heavy subjects that are tackled here on this forum.

Also, with many subjects, they just go 'round and 'round OR worse it's the same posts one has to post time and time again. So that IS frustrating to come to a discussion board and go round and round along with having to do repeated posts or scriptures. It can make one feel like what is the point at all to spending my time on CF? I think that breeds the frustration. I know it does for me.

Also, it is very frustrating to debate because far too many people read Wiki's for their knowledge when wiki's are hardly knowledgeable nor worth debating. Wiki's are so incorrect, it's just not worth the time. I should put in my siggie someone -- will not debate wiki's nor read them.

I'd be happy with a side forum where wiki's are NOT allowed in debate. I think that would be enjoyable.

So much false info is published on the internet and so many people believe a wiki or a very slanted website that adds words to scriptures for instance that aren't even in scripture but people believe the slanted websites too without doing proper research. So, that IS VERY frustrating, especially the church of the wikipedia problem.

 

[Nadiine]

I'm not so sure it's always anger. It could be more frustration because these are some very heavy subjects that are tackled here on this forum.

Also, with many subjects, they just go 'round and 'round OR worse it's the same posts one has to post time and time again. So that IS frustrating to come to a discussion board and go round and round along with having to do repeated posts or scriptures. It can make one feel like what is the point at all to spending my time on CF? I think that breeds the frustration. I know it does for me.

Also, it is very frustrating to debate because far too many people read Wiki's for their knowledge when wiki's are hardly knowledgeable nor worth debating. Wiki's are so incorrect, it's just not worth the time. I should put in my siggie someone -- will not debate wiki's nor read them.

I'd be happy with a side forum where wiki's are NOT allowed in debate. I think that would be enjoyable.

So much false info is published on the internet and so many people believe a wiki or a very slanted website that adds words to scriptures for instance that aren't even in scripture but people believe the slanted websites too without doing proper research. So, that IS VERY frustrating, especially the church of the wikipedia problem.

Here's the saddest truth,
more people believe & accept the Wiki's than the Word of God;
and even more sad, without any scrutiny.

 

[Nadiine]

I do post angry sometimes. . becuz the subject or response calls for
some anger.

I'm not one to believe that anger is evil - I'm not a robotic 'stepford'
Christian, I think certain things call for certain responses.

Clearly Jesus & the Godly people in the Bible had anger at times,
so I see nothing wrong with some righteous anger in a post.

What I have a problem with is ad hom & personal insults that don't
belong in any discussions. It shouldn't be personal, it should be
to the topic only.

It doesn't mean we have to "like" everybody as if they have to be
our closest buddies, it just means we respect people, but not
necessarily harmful or wrong opinions that opposte God's standards.

 

[one11]

Here's the saddest truth,
more people believe & accept the Wiki's than the Word of God;
and even more sad, without any scrutiny.

Yes, I speak the truth.

There is also the problem that people can put up a Christian icon simply because that is how they grew up. However, that doesn't mean they have studied under a good or great pastor, let alone studied at all, so many approach a subject without having studied, been pastored, and spent TIME researching a subject thoroughly.

It's like oh I read this wiki, took me five minutes, so now I KNOW and learned EVERYTHING about that subject of Christianity in five minutes or less!

That's not how you run a proper debate. It's laziness to do it that way. Laziness is a sin ya know!

 

[HuntingMan]

Yes, I speak the truth.

There is also the problem that people can put up a Christian icon simply because that is how they grew up. However, that doesn't mean they have studied under a good or great pastor, let alone studied at all, so many approach a subject without having studied, been pastored, and spent TIME researching a subject thoroughly.

It's like oh I read this wiki, took me five minutes, so now I KNOW and learned EVERYTHING about that subject of Christianity in five minutes or less!

That's not how you run a proper debate. It's laziness to do it that way. Laziness is a sin ya know!

I absolutely agree.
After thousands of hours of study Im finding that Ive got more blanks left to fill than I started with.
The more I study the more I realize that the young in Christ who have not yet dedicated their lives to the study of Gods word really ought not be teaching beyond just those things that lead to salvation....Jesus dying for sins and such.
There are too many false teachings out there whose root issue is quite often that the person teaching them has grabbed on to some short passage, maybe even couple and teaching them as absolute instead of harmonizing them with ALL of the relevant data. Prosperity fallacies come to mind as well as a couple others. These doctrines that teach 100 fold return are based on truth....PART of the truth....instead of making sure to understand the whole picture. Of course theres always greed to be taken into account, but if those who push these errors would get back into Gods word they would very quickly find that this 100 fold return thing is not what they present it to be.

Heck, Im in my bible pretty much every single day and have been for a number of years now and I feel like Ive only scratched the surface. Theres no way someone is ready to teach truth in a few minutes or days...weeks or possibly even a few years in some cases.

Sharing the simple gospel is definitely somethign we ALL should do. Getting deep into doctrine that puts mens souls on the line is something only those who have dedicate their LIVES to His word ought to dare even risk.
This is why Gods word shows us 'let not many be teachers'...in my opinion...

 

[HuntingMan]

in response to the OP...Ive only ever been 'angry' once when Ive posted.
That was when some.....and its getting me bent out of shape again just thinking about it....some one on a forum either here or somewhere made the (whew) 'statement' that our children being sent to Iraq wanted to go over there because they wanted to kill....that they were murderers and baby killers.
Yes, that one sent me off the deep end. My son in law went into the AF because he wanted the training....it had nothing to do with wanting to be a killer. He ended up in Iraq simply because that is where they sent him. I doubt very seriously that most young men going into the military go in because they like to murder.
Yes, my response to that individual was very much in anger.

 

[EternalRhyme]

I do post angry sometimes. . becuz the subject or response calls for
some anger.

I'm not one to believe that anger is evil - I'm not a robotic 'stepford'
Christian, I think certain things call for certain responses.

Clearly Jesus & the Godly people in the Bible had anger at times,
so I see nothing wrong with some righteous anger in a post.

What I have a problem with is ad hom & personal insults that don't
belong in any discussions. It shouldn't be personal, it should be
to the topic only.

It doesn't mean we have to "like" everybody as if they have to be
our closest buddies, it just means we respect people, but not
necessarily harmful or wrong opinions that opposte God's standards.

Stated precisely as I feel... thank you Nadiine.