possible suggestion

[Tangeloper]

Nadine, I truly love you for your suggestion, but I think it would not be a good idea. I will of course go along with whatever the forum wants but I think that at this time, it may cause more fighting. On the other hand, maybe, if we are beating them up, we won't beat up on each other.

ITS A JOKE! ITS A JOKE!

Seriously, it is okay with me if that is what folks want, but I am not crazy about the idea. I do like the heart behind the idea.

Lisa

I'm thinking this would be somewhat similar to the thread GM started a LONG time ago when this forum was first started, and if I remember correctly that did NOT go well...

 

[Tangeloper]

Not that it's a bad idea, Nadiine... Just that the last time we tried to "heal" the rift between us it didn't go too well...

 

[Nadiine]

I'm thinking this would be somewhat similar to the thread GM started a LONG time ago when this forum was first started, and if I remember correctly that did NOT go well...

Can I ask what happened? - I know we have rules to abide by.

I was HOPING to try to appease 2 groups... or even 3 groups if you want to include WWMC... I mean, they can already come here and have been, so I thought maybe a specific spot might help alleviate things on all fronts.

This is also the reason I didn't just jump out there and take it upon myself to make the thread without getting all your input.
I want to respect my fellow members and hear opinions.
If people don't want that, I'm fine with that too. I just want peace here if this is part of the possible problem or concerns for the future here.

Thanks for your input

 

[Tangeloper]

Can I ask what happened? - I know we have rules to abide by.

I was HOPING to try to appease 2 groups... or even 3 groups if you want to include WWMC... I mean, they can already come here and have been, so I thought maybe a specific spot might help alleviate things on all fronts.

This is also the reason I didn't just jump out there and take it upon myself to make the thread without getting all your input.
I want to respect my fellow members and hear opinions.
If people don't want that, I'm fine with that too. I just want peace here if this is part of the possible problem or concerns for the future here.

Thanks for your input

I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...

 

[Nadiine]

I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...

Well that's really interesting. So that was even before the whole T2BC thing where GM was trying to get the 2 sections together and iron out differences?

And yes, my thread idea was a purely "fluff" basis - not for uniting or fixing anything specifically (assuming it needed fixing at all). Yes I'm very aware of the theological divides and know what you're talking about.

Which went to why it would have to be a fellowship thread only -- any discussion past weather and sports turns into a bloodbath with no common ground.
The peace can basically only be on a superficial basis. (at least in a Christian/spiritual forum format like this).

I do have some liberal friends... but we have to completely stay off of religion & politics & morality subjects which is a little limiting. LOL But if we don't, we know we'll be at each other's throats.
The tension is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

We already had one minor blowup last Christmas where one of them drank too much and decided it was DEBATE TIME after dinner.
Believe it or not, I didn't join in! lolol I just knew where it would go (and it did).

Anyways, thanks for the clarification

 

[Simon_Templar]

First off, my sentiments here are in no way "personal" so don't take them as attacks etc, This is my honest dispassionate view of things.

Several times in this thread the phrase "heal the rift between us" or between our fora, has been used regarding CC and WWMC.

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

I have never had a problem with Liberals posting here in CC so long as they abide by the rules of the forum and don't argue with our stated beliefs. I have never reported a liberal for posting here, even for debating in threads here.
As long as it doesn't become a situation where I'm constantly having to defend the basic beliefs of the forum here, I would rather simply talk to people no matter what their background is.

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.
If people want to make some kind of fellowship thread, I'm not really against it, I just don't see the point of it, nor a need for it.
I oppose the idea of telling people that they can't post openly in the forum even if they are following the rules. There is no need for that either.

 

[Lisa0315]

I'm just going on what I recall, and perhaps your idea is somewhat different. Several months ago GM started a thread that was intended to try and allow us to "get to know each other" and sort out the problems between our forums, and it basically just flamed emotions. I remember particularly that the companion thread in the WWMC was found to be very offensive to many CC members.

Perhaps a purely fellowship, or "fluff" thread would be somewhat different if it's not meant to be a place to hash out the differences, because IMHO there is not a lot of common ground in reference to theology and world-views to make that possible... Plus, it would only work if ALL the members of CC and WWMC came together in one place at one time, and on an internet forum I just do not see that happening -- especially because there, I feel, are some people that truly don't want peace, and seem to enjoy riling people up and enjoy seeing the strife in here... I'm not talking about certain people in particular, just that we seem to get our fair share of Trolls and, yes, others that seem to be on the borderline...

Oh...The Bridging the Gap threads, I remember those now. I didn't participate on either side so I don't know how they went. I just remembered thinking that it was like trying to combine water and oil.

Lisa

 

[Nadiine]

Oh...The Bridging the Gap threads, I remember those now. I didn't participate on either side so I don't know how they went. I just remembered thinking that it was like trying to combine water and oil.

Lisa

editing

 

[Criada]

http://foru.ms/t5742661-bridging-the-gap.html

 

[Nadiine]

First off, my sentiments here are in no way "personal" so don't take them as attacks etc, This is my honest dispassionate view of things.

Several times in this thread the phrase "heal the rift between us" or between our fora, has been used regarding CC and WWMC.

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

I have never had a problem with Liberals posting here in CC so long as they abide by the rules of the forum and don't argue with our stated beliefs. I have never reported a liberal for posting here, even for debating in threads here.
As long as it doesn't become a situation where I'm constantly having to defend the basic beliefs of the forum here, I would rather simply talk to people no matter what their background is.

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.
If people want to make some kind of fellowship thread, I'm not really against it, I just don't see the point of it, nor a need for it.
I oppose the idea of telling people that they can't post openly in the forum even if they are following the rules. There is no need for that either.

I agree w/ your post -- altho I'm alot more leary & skeptical becuz of what's being shown to me from IIDB - plus I have a pretty horrible background w/ them from the other ministries I was in...

Theologically I'm in full agreement w/ you - we all know the scriptural divides - they can't be ignored & swept under the carpet for sure.

My fellowship issues are separate to me, and I have valid reasons for my apprehensions; including what I find are biblical obedience issues for me.

My OP stated that this wasn't to 'keep them from posting in the regular threads'... I knew they could already. I just thought a separate thread FOR fluff & people who do want to hang out that way, could do so here and possibly appease some cc members in another way.
Besides, WWMC has that system going already & our cc people do go in there & use their thread.

 

[Tangeloper]

From my point of view the "Rift" that exists is between liberalism as a worldview, and biblical truth.

<snip>

I don't go to WWMC because I'm not interested in causing trouble, I'm not interested in debating with liberals (which I've done PLENTY of), and I'm not interested in pretending that we are all the same really, because we aren't. We have fundamentally different beliefs.

Thus, whatever "rift" exists, goes WAY beyond any kind of personal animus, or arguing, and it isn't going to be fixed by pretending that its not there.

I just wanted to comment that I completely agree with you on this. It goes far beyond this forum and any particular person or people...

Honestly this is what I have seen invading this forum for months.
NOTE: the following does NOT apply to those who are respectful of this forum as our home...
There are some liberals, and yes, some conservatives as well who cannot agree to disagree and let their emotions get the best of them. I don't know if it's that they enjoy arguing, or what... But, there are those who have come into this forum displaying this kind of an attitude. Real world prejudices and assumptions (political and social) carry over here and are clearly visible in the way we are treated (this is NOT to say that this never happens vice versa, but we are not in the WWMC right now....).

This is why, as you, I do not go into the WWMC because I do not agree with 90% of their political/social/theological views and if I did go there it would be very hard to hold my tongue, so I don't tempt myself... Debates between these two groups rightly belong in the Theology Debate or Political Debate Forums... NOT in the congregation areas (with the obvious exception of the Debate Threads in the CC Sub-Forum).

All I would like is for those people who disagree to show the same respect for us... If you cannot hold your tongue and/or be respectful just don't come in here. If there are people coming in here on a continual basis and all they do is stir up strife, and are disrespectful, baiting, etc... then they need to be warned and the have a FSB applied (according to procedures, of course).

Anyway, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night at all so I think I'll hold off on replying on this until tomorrow unless I think of something "earth-shattering" to share tonight! I hope you all understand, and I'll be back tomorrow to discuss this when I'm refreshed and can make more sense! LOL God bless you all and have a great night!

 

[Nadiine]

http://foru.ms/t5742661-bridging-the-gap.html

K, that was at WWMC... I already knew of those. I thought this was done HERE in CC.

 

[Criada]

http://foru.ms/t5742681

Sorry - wrong one! This is the CC one.

 

[Nadiine]

yes tangeloper, I do understand, you need sleep or the posts start seeming like you either need meds, or you've had a few too many.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.

 

[Nadiine]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.

here we go again

I don't recall one person here who said you were liberal.

I was TRYING to get input on a fluff thread - I didn't know you had one here before till just now.
I rarely read OP's at all (my settings are set up to read the last post first, so it takes me alot of work sometimes to get to the OP) - I often just go on what the people before me are discussing.

But it makes sense to me now what's going on & why these issues partly exist.

 

[Lisa0315]

K... I didn't know she was trying to bridge the gaps at all in here.... was this while T2BC was doing his Christian Definition project or going against the BM issue when all heck broke loose w/ them here or before that?

It would make sense of a few things for me tho.
Anyways I must not have been here yet - if so, I obviously wasn't involved either.

No, it was way, way back when the forum was first formed. Greenie is UBER Conservative. She has to check herself to keep from going off on Liberals. Do not mistake trying to fix things that were going on as a Liberal bent on her. Trust me on that.

What happened was, when we first set up this forum, we did have Liberals trying to join. We had them voting in our polls. We had them trolling so that they could report anything we said about Liberals. It was absolute chaos, believe it or not, worse in a way than the last weeks have been. The one thing it did do was unite us very, very strongly. I think that is the main reason that we did not have very much infighting. We were too busy fighting off the Libbies.

Anyway, we were trying to write our Statement, form our rules, elect our mods, and fight off Liberals. People began leaving (just like now) because it was so hot and heated all of the time. Greenie and I got into it a bit back then because I wanted to interrogate people before they came into the forum. We finally all settled on the no dual membership and that worked out quite a bit.

The next battle, which, I kind of fought in private and people are probably not too aware of this, but I had to fight to get the old school mods to apply the CCC rules. I was a new mod and I was fighting so hard to protect the members here. I felt like the Seniors did not comprehend what was going on with all the Liberal attacks on us.

Then, it took forever for Greenie to get her badge which again made us all paranoid as heck. Oh, and Julio lost his badge before he got good and started. There was a brewhaha over that too.

Then, for this brief short time, there was this wonderful peace and fellowship. This was the loveliest place on the whole board and people were really taking notice.

I think that is when Satan began attacking this place. It was just so full of love that even atheists were taking notice of it. I am dead serious. They were comfortable enough to come in and ask questions back then and we were taken seriously.

So, the next thing that happened was I got promoted to a Super A. Right before that I began rounding up new mods for the forum...Oh, that reminds me of another thing that happened.

I was the sole elected mod of CCC for the longest time. So, Tishri, without talking to anyone, she was trying to do a good thing, don't get me wrong, but we had all just been through so much...Anyway, she tried to give us an experienced mod. He started off on the wrong foot by posing as a sock, reporting Greenie, then, acting on the report under his mod name. Then, and only then, was a poll set up. Needless to say, he was NOT elected even though he turned out to be a pretty good guy.

So, I began rounding up new mods. That was when Time, Trekki, rmw, Karen, and I know I am forgetting someone here, forgive me whomever you are...came on board.

So, then, just a few days after we got their mod applications and polls started, I was promoted to Super A. There was <ahem> something that was not shared with me about that (confidential) so I turned it down and I was going to come back here to mod.

Before I could do that, I got into it with Erwin, big time! Big time, called him a tyrant and everything. I called for a rebellion or something to that effect. LOL! Anyway, that was over Moriah's ban that was against protocol btw...So, I resigned telling Erwin that I did not want to work for HIM. He pulled my badge so fast it made my head spin.

That brings us about up to date. When I resigned from staff, I took some time away. I was gone for about two weeks and came back to total chaos. I honestly couldn't tell you who or what started it because it was going on when I got back. I told someone that I had been back for two weeks, but actually I came back on the 17th. I think that is just exactly one week ago today.

Now, I admit in the early days, I was a big, big opponent of allowing Fundamentalists here. That is true. I was overruled on that and I have not complained since. I also got along with everyone. I had no idea that anyone was still carrying hurt over that. So, when I came back and saw the chaos, yes, my triggers went off, the ones I had been surpressing, and I did the stupid thread which was a bad mistake.

So, that is the history of CCC. I am sure others can chime in on more that I have probably forgotten.

Lisa

 

[Nadiine]

ps. I did nothing wrong with seeking members on what they want or don't want in a thread either.
I won't accept blame for it since that's probly where that will lead.

 

[Lisa0315]

I've had enough of this.

If I'm a liberal, start a re-call to have me removed.

I wanted to end the war after 7/7/7. I never wanted "unity"; I just wanted people to not hurt, anymore.

Have seriously had enough.

You can approach Jim47 about my being removed as mod.

No, no, and no. I will vouch for you.

This is something I never told you before. I actually came close to not voting for you in your mod poll. The reason was because you were so anti-liberal. I am telling you that now because people need to know that being a peacemaker does not mean one is a liberal.

I was concerned that you may not be able to contain your temper when Rochir or others came in here. That was why I told you how proud I was of you and how seasoned in your role you have grown.

You are a magnificent woman and the UBER GREEN MODDING MACHINE! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

Lisa

 

[Lisa0315]

ps. I did nothing wrong with seeking members on what they want or don't want in a thread either.
I won't accept blame for it since that's probly where that will lead.

You haven't done anything wrong with starting this thread either. Dang it. Stop beating yourself up!

C'mon, put your little ole head right here. There you go. Its alright now.

Lisa