Pornography doesn’t exploit.

[OdwinOddball]

Hahaha Im not naive. I am full of wisdom from God. I would rather be wise than smart. I would rather know God, than spend an eternity in hell. Whatever you guys want to think is okay. If God is for me who can be against me. You cannot pursecute me because I am young...age doesnt matter...its maturity...and trust me Im way more mature than alot of you. I have self-control to not look at such ridiculous images than only exploit and destroy souls. I have a solid marriage that isnt destroyed by porn or such evils. I am happy and confident in the Lord.

Emphasis Mine. The bolded statement shows just how false this statement is. By claiming your superior maturity, and then using it to justify your condescension, it shows how much more maturing you have left to do. The arrogance to claim wisdom, certainly doesn't help.

We have all seen virtually identical statements from every youth, and even made them ourselves once upon a time. Looking back we learn to recognize them for the brash folly that they were. As will you in time.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

poen, used in moderation, is a good thing

 

[OdwinOddball]

How do you know what a mature person would say? Maturity comes in what you do, and porn isnt mature. Its dirty and isnt pure. How is watching other people do it mature....

It has nothing o do with maturity. Maturity is about attitude and how one acts with others. The fact that pornography is restricted to those mature enough(theoretically) to handle it certainly does not help justify your statement.

Again, the correct term would be immoral. At least in your world view.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Porn all started from a dirty-minded camera man....actually the idea is formulated in sin and evil....Porn is a 'god' that people worship...they get addicted to it..and behind the curtain is satan...just soaking it in as you sell your soul

Porn has been in existence for longer than even your religion. You can find erotic art work dating back before even writing was invented.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Your right. It cant go anywhere I guess...according to you guys. So Ill leave you to think what your doing is okay. Praying for you all.

Perhaps if you would try discussing the topic instead of preaching you would get further.

BTW, pray for yourself, and leave me as far away from your "god" as possible.

 

[meebs]

My anti-pornography stance is nothing to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with being a woman,

Erm... see my icon and i have a pro (consenting adult) porn stance. I have nothing against it and even view it myself (i'd prefer a partner to watch it with).

Wow by the way some of you talk i must be a guy!

The porn industry does not just cover women. Men are involved too - sometimes just men and sometimes just women on their own. Some people behind the cameras may even be women!

 

[MezzaMorta]

It doesnt matter between (actually its 8 mths now) 6 mths to 40 yrs......as I said we have God and with him anything is possible...and we are going to try to talk everyday, regardless of what goes on....

I'm sure every marriage says that

we are alot more solid than alot of people.....we come from parents who have amazing solid marriages...we talk all the time, go on dates, love of the lord, raised good children....and we are going to do the same...w/ a lot of patience and prayer....you cannot say that how it will be....

It is good to be optimistic, but you do not know the future.

How do you know what a mature person would say?

Because I am a mature, professional, responsible adult and I would not go around saying "I am more mature than you" like it is something to be proud of.

porn isnt mature. Its dirty and isnt pure. How is watching other people do it mature

If I want to watch erotic art does not mean that I am immature. I do not see it as dirty, I do not see it as impure or un-christian. I see it as erotic images that can be used in healthy relationships, both with others and yourself.

Porn all started from a dirty-minded camera man....actually the idea is formulated in sin and evil....Porn is a 'god' that people worship...they get addicted to it..and behind the curtain is satan...just soaking it in as you sell your soul

Like has already been said, erotic art pre-dates the camera, pre-dates Christianity, pre-dates modern civilization.

 

[meebs]

I have already figured it out as well....I have figured it out how evil the things people do are...how is that naive?

Because just when you think you've figured stuff out, something comes along and smacks you full in the face.

I once thought i had it all figured out. Not long ago too.

 

[BibleMadeMeDoIt]

Porn is ok as long as everyone who participated were doing so by their own will. To me it would be like asking if we are exploiting Brad Pitt when he has to eat food in movies because it turns women on. There is just something about the way he chews that turns many women on. Porn does the same thing, turns people on, so no its not exploiting anyone.

And I think its actually funny how primates enjoy a little porn themselves also, some scientist did a study a few years ago and discovered primates prefer to look at a female primates behinds over getting a treat.

 

[spartacus1984]

Porn is ok as long as everyone who participated were doing so by their own will. To me it would be like asking if we are exploiting Brad Pitt when he has to eat food in movies because it turns women on. There is just something about the way he chews that turns many women on. Porn does the same thing, turns people on, so no its not exploiting anyone.

And I think its actually funny how primates enjoy a little porn themselves also, some scientist did a study a few years ago and discovered primates prefer to look at a female primates behinds over getting a treat.

Do you have any evidence that free will exists?

 

[quatona]

And So you just don’t agree that all Pornography should be banned?

Yes, I don´t agree.

 

[quatona]

No it doesnt. He throws out the magazines from his co-workers because its wrong to have them sitting out.

Wrong by which or whose standards?

If I saw a mgazine of a nude man at my work place I would throw it out not because I was lusting after it because I dont want other people to look at it....because I know its vile...and it goes against our faith to even 'look' at it!

If such magazines don´t cause lust what´s your problem with them? Why do you consider them wrong?

 

[quatona]

Do you have any evidence that free will exists?

What´s that got to do with anything?

 

[MrLogic]

I think it does exploits. But not in the way people think. Yeah, it exploits the consumers' sexual desire and actors (porn stars) bodies to make money. Isn't that capitalism? The private individuals and companies look for something the consumer wants and supply them with it. Pure supply and demand.

Besides. We the consumers like it, and the porn star are making good money and, probably, enjoying it too. So, why should anyone complain?

 

[Mling]

I believe you have misunderstood me, I am unaware I have given any indication that I am anti sex, anti nudity or that I wish to prohibit your porn viewing pleasure. My intention was to explain why I consider pornography to be exploitative. I believe it exploits the male consumer by appealing to their sexual inadeqacies, and to any latent feelings that women should be subserviant. I also believe it exploits women by objectifying them and giving them feelings of inadequacies as they constantly fail to live 'up' to the standards set by the women who appear in pornography.

My anti-pornography stance is nothing to do with my religious beliefs and everything to do with being a woman, and not only a woman but one with daughters. Notice I have not made one 'God hates pornography' argument. My concerns are that my daughters are growing up in a world where most young men learn about sex from the internet, where they learn that all women have perfect bodies and huge breasts, that they're always gagging for it and they're happy to have it any which way you please.

This quote by Naomi Wolfe says it all for me.

I here that argument fairly frequently--that porn destroys relationships by misrepresenting sex. It's yet another arugment that I don't buy. Yeah, the people in porn are often idealized and flawless--like most people portrayed in the media. But, that quote asks a question: how can a real woman compete with the idealized woman of porn?
Easily. The answer is even right there in the question. By being real. She is not just a feast for the eyes, like porn, but has actual flesh that can actually be held. She, or he, contributes to the experience and is still there in the morning. She, or he, can ask "What do you want?" and meet the specific needs of his or her partner and can be loved in return. Any even moderately mature person will prefer a lover over a TV or computer screen.

 

[k]

Just as rape has little to do with sex and everything to do with power, so does the majority of porn. That is the motivation and revelation of exploitation. When one can stop seeing porn as sex and start seeing it as power only then can the fog of arrogance be washed away.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Just as rape has little to do with sex and everything to do with power, so does the majority of porn. That is the motivation and revelation of exploitation. When one can stop seeing porn as sex and start seeing it as power only then can the fog of arrogance be washed away.

Why did you slip from saying "the majority of porn" in your first sentence, to just "porn" (implying all porn) in the last sentence? Are you saying that porn that does not have to do with "power" is okay with you?

I see porn as erotic fantasy. Power just isn't an essential characteristic. And since it is just fantasy, that is really all it is in essence. Any confusion between fantasy and reality is in the mind of the viewer, not the porn itself.

Regaring the power issue, oftentimes the storyline in porn is about a guy "getting lucky", not about a guy having power over women (in which case "luck" would have nothing to do with getting laid). It simply isn't the case that the guys are always presented as "powerful" relative to the women.

It also seems to me that female porn stars usually have tremendous power in porn. Porn is often a kind of celebration of raw female sexual power.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[k]

Power isnt an essential characteristic? Look at what genres of porn have the highest sales. There is porn, a very small portion, that isnt about power and i see nothing wrong with that. Imao, God doesnt care about sex itself, only how we get it and how it is used.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Look at what genres of porn have the highest sales.

I wouldn't know about that. Which genres do? Why do you think they are about "power"?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Power isnt an essential characteristic? Look at what genres of porn have the highest sales. There is porn, a very small portion, that isnt about power and i see nothing wrong with that. Imao, God doesnt care about sex itself, only how we get it and how it is used.

I can only imagine you haven't seen much porn. While there are areas of it that are about power, in those areas it is the woman wielding the power as often as the man. Mainstream porn is not about power; to liken it to rape in that respect is simply laughable.